Face it people, if Obama is using other people's speeches he is a fraud

[Seeker30]

Its not about the technicalities of plagiarism, its about passing off a belief that was someone elses as your own, its about misrepresentation, its about defrauding the people who are considering hiring him.

[journalist3072]

1. I agree totally..but you know, Obama can do no wrong to the majority of people here on DU

They are apologists for him through and through.

[ClericJohnPreston]

25. Actually

I prefer the term, "true believers". I think that captures the essence of the hypocrisy.

[AX10]

26. And their mob is absolutly vulgar.

[thevoiceofreason]

33. I think Inglish is a wundrfl langage

[RummyTheDummy]

72. You've been a litte vulgar yourself.

I've been watching.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. For somebody who claims to be against plagiarism...

you sure have problems with coming up with an original thought.

[Scurrilous]

4. LOL

:thumbsup:

[NanceGreggs]

5. That was BRILLIANT!

:rofl:

[Mojambo]

11. Douche chill. n/t

[Bicoastal]

13. Hi-Five! That was ICE cold!

:thumbsup:

[Moochy]

36. They walk right into them dont they?

:rofl:

[AZBlue]

56. I'd like to recommend this post please!!!

:D

[Danger Mouse]

59. I can't count how many times i've been dead set against you...

but this, my friend, was sheer brillaince.
:pals:

[SoCalDem]

68. So every song that uses "I Love You" is plagiarizing the person

who first used those words?

This whole plagiarism thing is a bit odd to me.

I can see an issue if one sits down and copies part of a book and presents it as his/her own to a publisher..

BUT..

turns of phrase cannot be seen in the same light..

How many people have used "I have a Dream" or the other excepts used by BOTH Patrick and Obama?

Remember how apeshit nuts we all went over the "Let's Roll" copyright thing?

ALL campaigns "borrow" , and do it liberally, from other candidates as they try to capture the novelty of their speeches and or campaign rhetoric.

Preachers do it every Sunday when they hold services.. teachers do it every day when they lecture their students..

[Seeker30]

77. Maybe you're to in awe holding up your 'change' sign to notice

But if you can't see the difference between 3 words and a whole speech then maybe you're just a little to star struck.

[knight_of_the_star]

71. And yet you have to do the same you accuse them of

I wonder how many times I've seen the Strawman done on this board.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

78. that depends on what the meaning of "is" - is

:rofl:

[high density]

3. Nice hyperbole

Welcome to ignore.

[AtomicKitten]

18. it's hyperbole acted out badly in a sad piece of political theater

[Drunken Irishman]

6. He's not, but if you want to believe it, have fun.

Show me a speech Obama has given that he's ripped off.

And no, don't pick and choose a few words out of it, because I can do the same for Clinton.

I want to see entire speeches Obama has ripped off.

Thanks!

[MadMaddie]

7. Is it Fraud if he and the Gentlman work together and often exchange

text and slogans. Obama credited the Gentleman for the line late last year.

What is the rule for plagerism? When you first acknowledge another source you notate it. You don't have to notate it everytime you use it since you already acknowledged the quote or material.

The Gentleman also stated that he has given Obama permission to use the quotes/text.

Folks this is a non issue.

I voted for Hillary in the Washington State Caucus so I am not picking sides.

[DJ13]

8. Tsk Tsk Tsk....sounding desperate

[thunder rising]

9. I don't see Dan Patrick saying anything? So, where is your outrage coming from?

[StrongBad]

10. Are you that fucking naive??

Do you really think that all politician's speeches are scrawled by them shortly before going on stage and in that sense reflect only their thoughts???

Speechwriters are as old as the game itself.

[Seeker30]

63. Yea ok, so lets just go steal a speech that sounds good at the time

Apparently the trick to becoming president is to find speeches that were effective before.

Just tell people whatever the hell they want to hear. Maybe he ought to pick Romney as a running mate.

[PretzelWarrior]

12. that is utter bullshit, brotha!

If I feel strongly about an idea or set of ideas and I talk to others about it all of the time, there are going to be times that I look for help and examples. You DO NOT WANT TO GO HERE! There are so many examples of how just about every national politican--let alone HILLARY HERSELF--uses phrases and ideas that resonate and have possibly been used before.

For you to claim that just because he was moved and inspired by another's close words and they used each other's mind set and philosophy to both do well is wrong....well, it is moral bankruptcy. It means you'd much rather elect someone who has cheated, lied, and stolen her whole life merely because she is chop blocking him and they are dirtily going after every element of dignity in this race.

You're wrong, empty, sad.....I cannot believe you're a Democrat.

[QC]

14. BLASPHEMY1!!1!!11!!!! N/T

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. the penalty is stoning

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. I'd be feeling a little deceived right now if I had fallen for the Obama

bullshit. Mr. Change & inspiration borrowed the whole thing from another guy.

[tabatha]

22. Nonsense.

Obama has said that Patrick has taken some of the stuff he wrote.

By the way, Obama has speech writers - one of whom wrote for JFK.

The stuff that Obama said about words - was not written by his speech writers - but was said off the cuff.
I know, because I was following along the prepared released speech, and did not see anything about "words" in the speech that was released.

He ad-libbed it - and he did not quote verbatim what Patrick said. He just used the general theme.

It is always better to know one's facts before passing judgment.

[The_Casual_Observer]

27. He's "borrowed" the whole Patrick campaign lock stock & barrel.

nonsense my ass.

[thevoiceofreason]

37. You have the depth of the Platte

[The_Casual_Observer]

42. Tell me about Deval.

[tabatha]

51. Utter balderdash.

Obama started it in 2004, Patrick borrowed from Obama in 2006, and Obama is using from both himself and Patrick in 2008.

[jackson_dem]

69. Obama didn't start it. Axlerod wrote the "hope and change" marketing scheme and both used it

Patrick proves "hope and change" is a campaign gimmick, not a new transformative governing philosophy.

[MH1]

16. Kind of like Clinton stealing Obama's lines, huh?

If you want a politician that doesn't use other people's lines you might ought to imbibe some pleasant substances and meander off to dreamland, because that's the only place you'll find them.

[Mojambo]

17. "It's about passing off a belief that was someone elses as your own..."

What if you happen to share that belief?

As an outside observer, this whole plagiarism stuff is really weak.

[jean627]

19. its about passing off a belief that was someone elses as your own?

And 2 people can't have the same belief?

I have seen some stupid political tricks in my time but this is definitely in the running for number 1 stupid trick.

Desperation can do strange things to people, I suppose, especially politicians.

IMO, Hillary is trying to turn the Democratic party into a replica of the Karl Rove slash and burn machine.

I'm just glad that I changed my registration back to independent. If I hadn't, I would now, for sure.

[durrrty libby]

20. .Big Disgusting Fraud from Day One.

[thevoiceofreason]

40. Take Muttly off of your posts

It is an obvious rip-off.

And, with your jibberish, he's bite you on the ass if he had the chance.

[durrrty libby]

49. Get off the Hopium. Clearly it has destroyed the last brain cell

[protect our future]

21. This baseless attack on Obama is so Hillary can win Wisconsin tomorrow.

And that is the only reason for it.

[DesEtoiles]

57. and IF Hillary wins - it will be TAINTED by her dirty tactics

[ExtraGriz]

23. ridiculous

he plagiarized.....got caught and confronted....and its considered an attack on obama?

[Mme. Defarge]

24. Face it ...

your candidate's desperate.

[JackORoses]

28. do you think having speechwriters is plagiarism?

if so, then Hillary is a full-on Plagiarist.

[backscatter712]

29. Aw jeez,

[RiverStone]

30. Oh fer fucks sake....

Did you see the MSNBC story tonight???

Obama should have referenced his friends couple of sentences - ooops - guess he is human.

99% + of Obama's words are from Obama --- so were the words in his book (with sited references).

MSNBC then went on to point out Hillary did the same damn thing - and actually plagiarized Bill from a speech he gave 2 years before.

In the end - this is all NO BIG DEAL for either candidate!

And your on a seek and destroy mission Seeker30 - a minor mistake and now Obama is a fraud?

What unmitigated bullshit.

[Thrill]

31. Oh give me a damn break

You finally found 2 sentences that he used that his friend used before. And now he's a fraud.
Not to mention, Patrick told him to use it.

Stop with this nonsense.

[Blarch]

32. Jeeeesh.

This link proves your point... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uzW5HSpibQ&NR=1

[ElsewheresDaughter]

34. straight up!

[ShortnFiery]

35. Face it Seeker30, this is a distraction. "That dog won't hunt." eom.

[Moochy]

38. But This Dog Has Legs!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. awww yes it does

[Moochy]

55. But Notice It Cant Walk or Hunt

without it's wienerdog wheelchair?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

58. but, it seems to be doing a pretty damn good job of it today

[Moochy]

60. Ah The Rashomon Effect in Action!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

64. aye .... who knows what tomorrows version will tell?

[Moochy]

65. Hopefully not the one based on right wing smears

from penn and wolfenson... but you can put your hope "elsewhere" :evilgrin:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

67. now why did you go and ruin yourself like that?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. bottom line!

[stillcool]

41. Boomerang!!!

[LadyVT]

44. yep

[Freida5]

45. By that test, his whole campaign would be a fraud.

[Moochy]

62. I think "d" and "delete" were better posts!

[Recursion]

46. Good thing that's not remotely what he's doing nt

[goodgd_yall]

47. Geesh

A bit OTT, I say.

[hughee99]

48. I 100% agree... I can't believe someone would try to pass off someone else's

work product as their own. It would be like a hypothetical Candidate X spending years married to a political official, but was claiming credit for all the good things that happened during their spouse's terms.

[ShortnFiery]

50. This dog won't hunt. KO debunked this "witch hunt" - the guy is Obma's friend and when

told of Obama using it, said he was "happy that he did." They SHARE thoughts, ideas, and yeah, lines in speeches.

This is so damn LOW of The Shameless Clintonians to try and make hay out of ... it makes you look petty. :( :thumbsdown:

[DemGa]

52. You nailed it

What's really strange is the same affect in speech, same emphasis, same chant from the crowd -- truly disturbing.

[DesEtoiles]

54. HILLARY - READY TO WHINE ON DAY ONE.

[elixir]

61. Agreed and well stated.

[LadyVT]

66. kick

[meow mix]

70. then you believe the same about hillary? shes done it worse..

time for you to be honest i think..

[Azathoth]

73. The guy borrows two sentences in response to a political attack, and now he's 'defrauding' people?

Jesus, the Hillaryites have jumped the shark.

[billyoc]

74. Governor Patrick handed the text of the speech to Obama's speechwriters personally, dumbass. nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

75. kick

[pointsoflight]

76. Better throw out all politicians that don't cite their speech writers then.

How moronic.

Oh, and just FYI, Patrick is Obama's national campaign co-chair. So you're saying he's stealing from his own campaign?