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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:37 PM Original message |
If all Obama changes is "attitudes" then That's Good Enough for me |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. Bush changed attitudes, too. Was that good enough for ya? |
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AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. True. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Hope and idealism bind people together to work for a common cause. |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Hillary won't have to use 'magic', she has the know-how to |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Examples of how "she has the know-how to lead"? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. Not if you think those are "JUST WORDS." |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Guess what? I believe Reagan was a successful president. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
27. You think Bush and Reagan were successful? I think you took a wrong turn, there. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I think you are in denial |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Only you can call "awful, terrible, disgusting" accomplishments "successful." |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. "The era of Big Government is over...." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. And the "Children's Candidate" shall lead us? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Why hold ideals at all then? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. You go on and pay your light bill with them, then--but don't be surprised if |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Still doesn't answer my question. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. If you want them to DO something, you have to "hold" them along with |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Thank you for the answer. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Please explain how Hillary is going to pay my light bill? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. She's not gonna hand you a plateful of HOPE and make you BELIEEEEEEEVE! |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. if there was less arrogance, even Dems might support him. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I won't comment on that here because it's subjective |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I don't believe that. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. The last humble president or candidate I can recall was Gerald Ford |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
45. One person's "look of arrogance" could seem like another's look of confidence. n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. I'm with you. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Lord of the Flies? LOL |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. That's an honest view. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-19-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Some are, so are some Hillary supporters and supporters of anyone else |
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Raven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. Absolutely! Attitudes have to change first, then real change will come. |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. It's not so good when many of the people seem to be living in |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think it depends on the nature of change. If this forum is any indication, |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Well... |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Get BO out of the race and you'll see a lot of happy faces |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes We Can, give $694,000 to superdelegates! So much for "change" and ending politics as usual. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. That means Obama gave three times more financial support to Dems up for reelection than Hillary did! |
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End Of The Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
13. The fundies would disagree with you |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. We need the same kind of qualities on our side |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yeah, thats what we need.... |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I did not use the word nationalism |
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ClericJohnPreston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. And those societies which tried what you suggest |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. You're even more of an ideologue than I am |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
18. Good enough? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Good enough for a start.... |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Well, I can't read your mind, so... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
20. Hear, Hear !!! - K & R !!! |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
22. No one, not even Obama, will change a single attitude without actually DOING something first |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Yes we will find out |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. My point? Glad you asked....A real leader inspires by doing, not just by talking |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
23. Well it's not enough for my best friend who has no health insurance you blithley dismiss |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Oh your friend doesn't matter. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. it's also important to elect someone who promises to get universal health care, HE DOESN'T |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. She doesn't really either |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Well, garnishing people's wages is a big time general election loser |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Huh, people loved FDR for creating Social Security. People want universal care. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. People want universal health care - not mandatory health insurance |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
29. Well said Armstead. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Exactly |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
52. that is exactly why the establishment is shitting their pants. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
53. i would add ignorance to your list of challenges |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
56. Yeah, a real famous German leader did that back in the '30s. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-18-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. The Hitler comparison is off-base, but I agree with some of your post |
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