I'm listening to Hillary in WI, she is talking about what she'll do, facts, details!!!

[LulaMay]

She is invigorating to the crowd, telling them exactly what ideas she has for bringing new jobs there, exactly how.

She is positive, uplifting and gives you a feeling that she will GET IT DONE, that she understands what we need, and she cares.

She isn't telling people that their jobs aren't coming back, like McCain. She's telling people the new jobs she will bring.

And I believe her.

Obama does not speak like this.

I'd rather have real answers, and I prefer her down to earth, personal way of speaking with people rather than a lofty speech anyday.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. She Really Is Great. She's Gotten Quite The Raw Deal Through All Of This.

But she's also one tough cookie. Here's to hoping she bounces back!

:toast:

[Tom Joad]

2. I hope she does positive things in her remaining days serving in the US Senate

but then is replaced by someone who is not so eager to commit the US to a war of aggression.

[dkf]

3. Bill campaigned on Health Care. Once Hillary botched it they never tried again.

[rodeodance]

9. Hillary will get it passed for ALL--while O. is pushing to OMIT millions.

[dkf]

27. I think it is a lost cause with a mandate in it...

[MessiahRp]

29. Not to mention that she wants to basically have HMOs dictate the coverage

As Michael Moore said, it doesn't matter if everyone is covered if HMOs can still decide whether or not to deny your claims.

Rp

[calmblueocean]

38. Here's why Obama's plan covers more people

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4595829&mesg_id=4599449

[MessiahRp]

4. Details don't matter when they outline what hers does

Her "real answers" are more of the same. Fuck what she is lying about on the stump, look at her record. She balked on FISA last week because she wants to keep domestic spying in place and didn't want to have to make a political choice between what is popular with Democrats (ending the program entirely) and pissing off her rich donor buddies in the telecom industry.

She made a disasterous blunder with the IWR (one which she and even Chelsea are lying about but not apologizing for now) and then went and fucked up and voted with Lieberman/Kyl to press such aggressive posture against Iran whom is vindicated by the NIE in not having a Nuclear Program.

When Bill had the White House they were responsible for NAFTA (which helped create the outsourcing mess we have now), Media Consolidation (hello Republican strong hold on the media) DOMA/Don't Ask Don't Tell (gotta love anti-gay discrimination), Welfare Reform (taking a Republican idea and forcing people in poverty to have either no help or limited help available especially while the next Administration's policies were aimed at crushing the poor and now a huge recession looms overhead is not the way to address the poor people in this country).

To me they sort of chose to be Republicans when it mattered most and I am a Democrat who will vote for the real Democrat in this race... and that's not Hillary.

Rp

[LulaMay]

14. So you're against universal health care and relief for people losing homes, jobs?

Bully for you.

[MessiahRp]

19. Obama covers most of those issues and happens to cover a friendlier, less aggressive foreign policy

So she can be slightly stronger on two issues but the overall sum of her parts equals a far worse candidate than Obama.

Rp

[rodeodance]

25. your "logic" a HOOT

[MessiahRp]

28. Hmm let's see..

End of War, Return of Civil Liberties, Health Care Coverage > Continuance of War, Continued Unchecked Presidential Power and domestic spying, health care coverage dictated by HMOs.

Yep that about sums it up.

Rp

[LulaMay]

44. Sometimes we need very assertive, vigorous policy, not just "friendly". She has proven herself

a master at negotiating and diplomacy, abroad and as a Senator. He has not.

The other 'two issues' are extremely important and the differences are not minor, they are huge. She is for universal health care and he is NOT. She is for helping families who are in danger of losing their homes, he offers just about NOTHING to help.

I want and expect more than that out of my president.

For this nation, world to really change, we MUST adopt the truth the health care is a human right. We cannot be less clear or less committed about it than that.

I ask you who is really the candidate for change?

[MessiahRp]

45. Health Care is meaningless if we have no civil liberties or freedom. Not to mention if we continue

to engage in endless war.

Obama's plan has merit in that it isn't 100% dictated by HMOs who will deny claims anyway and that it is not a forced mandate that no Republican will vote for or agree to.

Hillary is wrong on WAY too many issues to even deserve a pass just because she "talks" about Universal Health Care. Her plan is mandated HMO care. Which means Americans will be forced to pay to get on the HMO rolls but the HMOs will not be forced to cover anything and they can deny claims as they do currently.

Not to mention they "talked" about Health Care before and got zilch accomplished other than getting Hillary some pretty big HMO and Pharmaceutical donors.

Rp

[Carolina]

34. touche

her 7 year Senate career has been characterized by going along with Bush to get ahead politically:
IWR, Patriot Acts I&II, Bankruptcy Bill...

She's good with the 'cheap' words though, isn't she?

[paulk]

41. she opposed the bankruptcy bill

don't let facts get in your way...

[QC]

5. Yeah, but she doesn't sound like Jimmy Swaggart or Benny Hinn.

That means's she a bad candidate.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. she always walks the walk too...unlike some other silver tongue talker we know

[Straight Shooter]

7. Thank you, LulaMay. You're a positive influence on this board as a Hillary supporter.

:hi:

[LulaMay]

15. Thank you!

[rodeodance]

8. and she has a good crowd--day after the big snow storm

[Cameron27]

10. I'll take Hillary talking specifics

over Obama's lofty, borrowed rhetoric anyday!

K&R

[rodeodance]

11. and when SHE and CHELSEA show up at Madison rally this eveing-they will do the same.

[Vinca]

12. I really, really worry if she gets the nomination.

Ever since the McCain/Huckabee controversy began, to a person the pundits have said the only thing that will unify the Republican Party is a Hillary Clinton candidacy. Add to that the loss of Obama Independents and Moderate Republicans back to McCain and it's deja vu all over again. More war, more right wing Supreme Court justices, more catering to the wealthy. It's very sad.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. That's nothing but RW rhetoric. The Repukes want to run against Obama.

What's really sad is all the supposed Democrats buying into the repuke rhetoric about Hillary.:(

[Vinca]

32. Well, I don't listen to right wing television or radio and I've heard it time

and time again.

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. The MSM is RW. They're owned by RW Corporations. The RW Corporations

and RW head honchos of the various MSM networks give their RW marching orders to their RW talking heads EVERYDAY. It's all RW rhetoric. No matter who you hear it from, that's where it came from.

[LulaMay]

22. I really believe they do not want to run against Hillary and fear a tidal wave of women's votes.

with all my heart.

[Straight Shooter]

35. You go right ahead and be skeered of those big ol' bad Republicans.

Just don't make fun of all those Repubs who got skeered and ran to daddy dubya for pertection from imaginary threats by Saddam.

Same fraidy-cat shoes, now worn by our own party members.

[rodeodance]

13. REC and thanks

[burythehatchet]

16. clap clap point point clap clap point point clap clap point point

I'm invigorated.

[LulaMay]

20. and unoriginal in your sarcasim too I see....plaigerising John Stewart!

[burythehatchet]

23. No, Steven Colbert. nt

[LulaMay]

26. Thanks for noting who you stole it from. They all look and sound alike to me..

right now.....wild eyed, incredulous, scared, sarcastic white men.

[rodeodance]

21. you missed the paper.

[journalist3072]

17. Who does she think she is...giving us facts? Details? How dare she?

Why on earth would America want a president who's not afraid to put their policy proposals out there? Who does Hillary think she is---telling the American people what she'll do?

In all seriousness though, this is one of the things I love most about Sen. Clinton. I feel like she's really helped to make me a more educated voter, and I am extremely appreciative to her for that.

I feel like she truly values me, as a voter, by helping to arm me with the information I need.

Well done, Sen. Clinton!

[LulaMay]

24. :) :) :)

[UALRBSofL]

30. LuLaMay thanks for posting

It's always good to read threads that are positive about a candidate. :)

[ctdem200]

31. Iraq is a serious threat.

Well done, Senator Clinton!

http://thehive.modbee.com/files/images/Hillary%20Clinton.bmp

[Divernan]

40. But what about the facts in her tax returns? We'd all like to see them.

nt

[IndianaGreen]

33. She also told a Wisconsin audience that DADT is bad

but as Bill's co-President, she supported DADT, as she did DOMA, NAFTA, regime change in Somalia, bombing of Serbia, starving and bombing Iraq, School of the Americas, 1996 Telecom concentration act, Plan Colombia, etc.

[Carolina]

36. K&R!

[rodeodance]

39. Hillary has Evaluated it on her merits.

[IndianaGreen]

42. It is not up to the Clintons to sacrife the rights of LGBT Americans for their own selfish purposes

Bill and Hil can both go to hell.

[LulaMay]

43. It was a start. It started a discussion that helped change attitudes. She will go the distance

with it I believe. What will Obama do?

[Iceburg]

47. It saddens me that you would spew out such egregious lies ...

Do you know the history of DADT? Did you know that before DADT there was a COMPLETE BAN on homosexuals --- that they were track down like wolves in a forest, homes were broken in to, gay dance halls were raided, service members hauled out of the halls, beaten and given dishonourable discharges. Bill Clinton campained on a promise to end the discrimination -- the best that he was able to achieve was a "Don't Ask Don't Tell". Do you know who blocked Bill's attempt? Do you know drafted DADT?

Do you know that DOMA was firewall to a those that wished to legalize gay discrimination through a change in the constitution?

Do you know that Obama voted to extend NAFTA? YES HE DID!

Do you know that Bush41 got America involved in Somalia, and that Bill got America out?

Do you know any history?

The ignorance of the Obama supporters astounds me. I don't refer to the Obama supporters as cult memebers, but I do understand why others might. I fear for America if this is all the next generation has to offer -- Bush at his worst.

[madmunchie]

37. YES WE WILL YES WE WILL YES WE WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HRC is trying to become Obama and apparently some of her supporters are looking for the "Obama" in her.....hence the OP message that could be written and much has been written regarding Obama

[jillan]

48. I enjoy listening to her, she fills me with hope, not rhetoric.