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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:52 PM
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Clinton surrogates fight smear in Ohio. "if you can believe Roger Clemens, you can believe in Obama"
I like how they are fighting back against the Obama machine's smears and that the important point about Obama having almost no union support before Iowa was made. Post-Iowa the union endorsements are raining down while prior to it they split between Hillary and a candidate who was running a distant third. If Edwards got those endorsements why couldn't the $162 million second place media hero? Maybe those union leaders know something about Obama?

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Hillary Clinton’s campaign in Ohio is reacting strongly to a mailer from the Obama campaign that hits her on NAFTA. One of her key labor supporters said the piece almost amounts to “mail fraud,” and claimed that other unions now siding with Obama -- as the SEIU is today -- are doing so only out of “sheer opportunism.”

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Ohio Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher said it was disappointing that Obama chose to introduce himself to state voters in such a way. Sloan said the mailer “really reached over the bounds,” and was just short of “mail fraud.” “Clinton is on record having said that NAFTA has not lived up to its billing and needs to be fixed,” Fisher said.

Sloan fought back by accusing Obama of “shadowboxing” when it comes to fighting for workers. “What we’ve seen from him in Illinois at least is that he walks away from the fight,” Sloan said. “His brochure talks about he will fix our trade deals ... and we can believe him. Well, I think if you can believe Roger Clemens, you can believe on Barack Obama.” :rofl:

Sloan claimed that Obama “has not lifted a finger to help people in his own state,” specifically citing the closure of a Maytag plant in Galesburg in 2004, when Obama was a candidate for Senate. Sloan said one of Obama’s contributors, Lester Crown, whose family had a 58% interest in Maytag, and made $150 million when the firm was bought out. “ could have picked up the phone,” Sloan said, but he didn’t because he “was in the tank to this Chicago billionaire.” “You don’t fight for workers by walking away.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/15/669642.aspx

Accuracy note: I changed the to Clinton is because it was not showing up when I initially posted that quote in bold.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:52 PM
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1. WTF, I believe Clemens. :(
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:59 PM
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18. these people are beyond "brilliant"...lol
the whole dragging Clemens in front of the congress is a farce anyway...as if these legislators didn't ahve more important issues to deal with. And sorry folks, baseball is still an extremely popular sport...and Clemens has many fans.
Throwing Obama in with a great baseball star...will no doubt convince people to vote for Hill....
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:57 PM
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2. So now Dumb & Dumber are in charge of her campaign talking points!
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:08 PM
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3. SEIU: sheer opportunists. Where's the news? Of course they are!!! US loves a winner.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:38 PM
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6. It highlights Obama's record
Maybe there is a reason 99% of unions chose Hillary or longshot underdog Edwards over Obama before Iowa. Maybe they know something his hopeful supporters do not about what he stands for.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:04 PM
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9. Obama machine smears?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What smears?

Hillary created the first attack ad of this campaign.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:15 PM
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11. In response to these replies, I mean really is that the best Hillary has to offer in rebutal?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:33 PM
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4. Well, we really don't know what either Obama or Clemens believes in.
:kick:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:44 PM
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5. You Can't be "SERIES...911!!!....
are you "Series?" :eyes:
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 09:57 PM
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7. yah
she's going to fix all her old mistakes, like Nafta, and the IWR and the DOMA.

She's the one to clean up after Bush and herself, yah right.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:21 PM
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12. Well whose going to clean up after BO. If we're lucky to still
have a country after 8 years of a pompous ass, then 4 more yrs. of an arrogant greenhorn. All his prancing and glaring, inspiring speeches won't help him. Other countries aren't going to swoon and fawn over him.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:24 PM
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13. Her position on NAFTA is clear as is her support for GLBT rights
It is ironic someone with a Gore avatar is railing against NAFTA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8PJ2KT0RVI Gore also supported DOMA until apparently two weeks ago. Using your standard Gore is not fit to be president.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:01 PM
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8. Then will Clinton denounce the policies put forward on the DLC site as well as Bill's "legacy"?
She needs to do what Obama did and demand that the DLC remove her name and picture. They are showing her on the leadership team.

DLC | Blueprint Magazine | February 7, 2001
The Free Trade Area of the Americas: Why the United States Must Take the Lead
By Jenny Bates

Exactly three months after moving into the White House, the new president will face one of the biggest foreign policy challenges -- and opportunities -- of his term. In April 2001, at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec, he can assert U.S. leadership in the creation of a Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) -- a $10 trillion common market of 800 million people stretching from the Bering Strait to Tierra del Fuego. By taking the lead at a critical moment in the FTAA's formation, the president can ensure that it reflects U.S. interests and values while locking in Latin America's movement toward democracy and economic reforms. Failure to lead the way into this enormous and unprecedented free market, furthermore, would be costly: The United States could be shut out of Latin American markets, regional protectionism would rise, and the leadership vacuum would be filled by another powerful player such as Brazil.

Preparations for the FTAA -- which will reduce barriers to trade, spurring competition and economic growth throughout the hemisphere -- have been under way since 1994, and formal negotiations were launched in 1998. And while the U.S. government has publicly supported the process, the administration's attention has mostly been elsewhere as working groups did the initial yeomanship of trade talks. Now, however, the momentum to create this vast new trade area is entering its crucial final phase. Over the next two or three years, the most important decisions will be made. If the result is to be favorable to the United States, both economically and politically, White House leadership is urgently called for. As the largest player in the region, the United States cannot afford to sit on the sidelines.

There are other reasons why the FTAA should be a top priority for the new president. Locking in the economic reforms among Latin American economies of the past two decades, for example, will spur continued growth and reinforce pressure for political reform. Such a commitment will reduce risk for investors, spur inflows of much-needed foreign capital, and promote development. Such economic liberalization can also challenge powerful, entrenched interests and liberate opposition forces to push for democratic change. Indeed, in most countries in the region, economic reform has gone hand-in-hand with progress on the political front. According to a Freedom House study, the major economies of Latin America have moved from "unfree" to "free" since the 1970s (though there has been some danger of backsliding in the Andean region recently).

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p://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=108&subid=206&contentid=2974

AND THEY REMAIN COMMITTED:



http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=108
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:28 PM
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15. Both are DLC. One is honest about being a "New Democrat", the other is not
The netroots obsession with the DLC label is strange. Labels, cards don't matter. Policies do. Look at the DLC's policies and then match them up with those of candidates instead of looking at a roster and shutting your eyes to someone who has the same policies but doesn't play in the summer Al From t-ball league.
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Hill_YesWeWill Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:10 PM
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10. wow that's weird, for not lifting a finger to help people in his own state
he sure got a lot of votes on Super Tuesday, that's weird
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:29 PM
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17. He won Galesburg?
I am pretty sure he didn't win the town where Exelon leaked radioactive material and Obama sided with nuke lobbyists and nuke contributors who have given him over $200,000 rather than the people. This is the "change" Obama will bring to the White House?
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 04:27 AM
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19. i am pretty sure
he won the county by 25%
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:27 PM
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14. and people say it is HIll who is going Negitive. HA--
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 10:28 PM
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16. a big REC for the truth
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