Hey Hillary, Who You Calling Chicken?

[Stephanie]

http://www.observer.com/node/29995
Tasini's Chicken
September 4, 2006

In place of the colorful West Indian Day Parade pictures you were expecting, here is an image of a Hillary Clinton heckler unhappy that she's not debating Jonathan Tasini.

Points for effort, if not originality. But the chicken costume - which was once deployed during one of Bill Clinton's campaigns - may not get Hillary to the podium.

In their endorsement of Hillary on Sunday, the Times wrote, "we are sorry that Mrs. Clinton did not respond to his demands for a debate." Which sounds pretty final.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_says_hes_done_mor.html

February 15, 2008
---snip---

Clinton's campaign has issued another Wisconsin ad that suggests Obama is a chicken when it comes to going one-on-one with the former first lady.

"Barack Obama still won't agree to debate in Wisconsin," the Clinton ad says. "And now he's hiding behind false attack ads."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. Clinton was a chicken when she caved into Bush on the Iraq war!

and she will cave in again

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. how DARE you raise facts about Hillary?

don't you realize that the past is gone, the present is hers, and the future is all up Hill from here?
You just don't get it. When she refuses to debate, it is smart policy, even though she wasted 40 MILLION in an election with no real opponent.
When those she deigns appropriate to meet in a debate refuse to accept her every demand and whim, THEY are being unreasonable, fearful, and unworthy.

It is so simple, don't you see? She and George have one thing in common (several, actually, like Iraq/Iran policies and FISA, Patriot, etc) either you are 100% with her, or you are her enemy.

[Cha]

24. Quell Horror! hilary sounds like

The Decider!

[shenmue]

3. Really mature post.

Notice it's Obama who won't go to a debate, but you have nothing to say about him. Maybe because Clinton supporters don't dress up like chickens...

Sure, that's fair. :sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. I think he's just pointing out the hypocrisy.

:shrug:

[Stephanie]

22. she, but otherwise of course you're right

it's just ridiculous she's pulling this stunt now. no wonder voters find her disingenuous.

[LordJFT]

6. First of all they've debated 18 times and are gonna debate twice more

Second of all the op makes a great point that this is quite hypocritical of Hillary to be calling out Obama when she wouldn't debate Tasini.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. Actually, I Believe It's Only Been One, Right?

I can only remember ONE debate they've had when they were the only two in the game. When it's down to just two, that's when the debates take on even more meaning because then it becomes far clearer as to where each stands in comparison.

So tell me, how many one on one's have they had? :shrug:

[LordJFT]

15. the rest of the debates ended up turning into a 2 person show anyway

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. That's A Bunch Of Crap. One On One's Are Extremely Important Down The Stretch And You Know It.

To use the previous debates as evidence that they've debated enough, is disingenuous at best. Personally, I think there were too many debates when the field was large. But now that it's down to two in a neck and neck contest, they ABSOLUTELY should be debating for all to see. It's the most important aspect for voters to see as it relates to who would be the best candidate.

So far, to my recollection, they've only had one. So much has happened since, and it's time for another. Why don't you want one?

[LordJFT]

29. Like I said before there are two more on the way. Why is that not enough for you?

You want to take away as much time from their campaigning as possible? Since you know whenever Obama starts campaigning somewhere he starts to do better.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. There's Been Far Too Much Time Since The Last One For A Primary This Heated.

When things are as close as they are and as competitive as they are, the best way for voters to distinguish the differences between the two is through direct debate and confrontation. I couldn't help laugh at your projection a bit though.

See, the simple fact is that Obama, and many of his supporters, know damn well that he's on a magic carpet ride of rhetoric. He knows full well that Hillary is his superior in debates, and that when it comes to policy, experience and direct questioning, he pales in comparison. The question isn't why do I want more debates, the question is why are you so against having another one? The answer is obvious: You know debates take away his edge, because he can't talk nearly as pretty in debates. You'd rather the election be more of a 'game' of motivational speaking rather than actual policy, preparedness and down to the issues debating. You'd rather your candidate win through empty campaign speeches then from actually proving he's the better candidate. It is so obvious that many of the Obama supporters want to avoid more debates like the plague because then he might be exposed as a bit more inexperienced, and as the lesser of the two candidates. And you guys just can't have that! No. Hell with issues and direct one on ones. To hell with the voters really getting down to the nitty gritty and seeing how the candidates handle the fire when confronted directly. Nah. Who needs reality when you have this fantasyland aura that can be exuded with campaign speeches. You ain't kidding anybody, and neither is he.

The fact is, there has NEVER been more of a need for a one on one debate of the issues then there is at this point right now. But he's avoiding them, and so are you. It is quite clear why that avoidance is taking place. It's strategical, for sure. But the reason it's strategical is because he knows it would weaken his aura, because she would be his superior and show that she is in fact the better of the two as it relates to who would make the better president. This is a small cowardly act, have no doubt. At the end of the day, the debates should be the most important aspect of choosing a candidate. But who cares about legitimacy and integrity right? I mean, as long as he takes the cowards way out, he can win right? And winning, even with lack of integrity and honor, is all that counts right? Right? Don't answer. I already know what the answer is.

[LordJFT]

39. Ok lets talk about issues

Like Hillary voting to drop cluster-bombs in areas with children, Obama voting against, Hillary supporting the wage cape on SS taxes, Obama opposing it, Obama wanting to repeal all of DOMA Hillary not wanting to repeal all of it, Hillary supporting NAFTA and outsourcing and Obama saying no tax breaks for companies that move American jobs offshore. Oh wait Hillary doesn't look so good when you talk about the actual issues does she?

[Stephanie]

40. don't waste your breath

the poster is not interested in the issues, only in stirring up argument.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. Yeah. Your OP Is Really About Issues ROFLMAO!!!!

For someone who supposedly has me on ignore, you certainly take a lot of interest in me!!! :rofl:

[LordJFT]

42. And of course you have no response to me because

while saying that Obama is hiding behind rhetoric may be a good talking point, you know actually talking about the issues makes Obama look bad.

[LordJFT]

30. There will be two more

Why is that not enough for you? You want to take away as much time from campaigning as possible? Since whenever Obama campaigns somewhere his numbers go up?

[Stephanie]

21. Bill Clinton's supporters did

Maybe they still have the chicken suit?

:shrug:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. That's totally different, and you know it.

It's ok to ignore debates when HILLARY is in the lead. :eyes:

[Stephanie]

20. reminds me of "it's okay if you're a republican"

I guess IOIYHC.

[VolcanoJen]

7. GAWD I hope Hillary doesn't drag out the chicken suit.

I've been dreading that. :-)

[nomorewhopper]

8. its all so sad. i honestly wouln't be surprised if obama used this very pic in his response ad.

and the result would be to absolutely humiliate clinton

[Stephanie]

9. Precisely why I posted it.

If anyone has an in with the campaign, would you please send this to him?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. That's Why You Posted It? Seems Like It's Humiliating You More Than Her, But I Digress....

[Stephanie]

14. speaking of hecklers

my heckler's on ignore

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. ROFL!!!

Wow, you took your humiliating loss the other night that hard? Jeez, never ceases to crack me the heck up when someone puts me on ignore not because of harassment or something, but solely because they couldn't compete with intellect and logic. Nothing weaker of a reason than that LOL

[Umbram]

33. ROFL, indeed.

You think you exhibited "intellect and logic" somewhere on this thread?

Humorous.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Why Yes.... Yes I Have.

:hi:

[Stephanie]

19. ignored ignored ignored!

it's a beautiful thing!

[Cha]

25. Ignored is a beautiful thing..

you're not missing anything and actually adding to your well state of being.

[Stephanie]

26. Indeed

I know I'm not missing anything but the annoyance he's trying to provoke. I have one name on my ignore list and he'll stay there until he finally gets the inevitable TS.

[Cha]

27. I have quite a few more on

my ignore list and found out the other day that I was ignoring at least 7 tombstones! Wow..can I pick 'em}(

[Stephanie]

28. I've never done it until this week.

I usually count on the mods to weed them out sooner or later, but this one's weaseled his way into an overlong stay so what can you do?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. It's Amazing How Some Are So Fragile That They Can't Handle Strong Opposing Argument.

I did nothing to you that day for you to put me on ignore other than handily thrash your position and back it up with substance, while you were able to do nothing more than immature namecalling. I always find it HILARIOUS when I get ignored for such reasons, because all it does is show that the poster was so weak minded and fragile that they can't handle when someone confronts them with facts or defeats their arguments. They can only handle when people agree, and fly off the handle in emotional bitterness when god forbid someone challenges their position. Soooooo sorry dear Stephanie that I exposed your argument for the weakness it contained. But ya know, when ya post stupid shit for everyone to see on a message board, you should really kinda be prepared to have the false concepts refuted. That's all I did. I not only refuted your concepts, but did so strongly and competently. Did it really hurt you that much that you had to put me on ignore? LOL. My my, how some can't handle facts. :hi:

[billyoc]

10. Ah, I remember it like it was yesterday...

I've already mentioned it to some Obama campaign people. :)

[Stephanie]

18. excellent!

the chicken photos are still up on some of the NY news blogs -

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. Yeah... Cause That's Like The Same And Stuff... ROFLMAO!!!!!

Oh how these OP's crack me up!!!!!

Yeah, the tasini race is comparable to this electrifying and neck and neck primary season :rofl:

Thanks for the laugh!!!

Tasini race... :spray:

[Cha]

23. That's the guy I voted for in 2006 in New York!

I wanted to remember his name, Jonathan Tasini,..thanks Stephanie! This just gets gooeyier and gooeyier for the clinton ragers. In 2002 hilary proved herself to be a chickenshithawk with nothing but political expediency on her brain. Not having a clue that a NO on the IWR would have gotten her closer to where she wants to be than stamping the okay to send our Soldiers off to Iraq when there was absolutely no cause except trying to look tough.

[Yossariant]

31. BAWAWCK! BAWAWCK! BAWAWCK! BAWAWCK! BAWAWCK! BAWAWCK!

Truth :hurts:

[rodeodance]

32. I saw it on TV ---tasteful --soft. GOOD for Hillary

[Umbram]

34. This may come as a surprise...

but EVERYTHING one's own candidate does is "tasteful."

It's called bias and lack of objectivity.

It's kind of like posting "this thread is divisive" in threads attacking your candidate all while lauding and recommending threads of similar stupidity (aimed at the other candidate), which is something you are quite familiar with.

*Edited to be a tad less grumpy*

[psychopomp]

35. Politics as usual

Sen. Clinton's campaign has really gone negative...it's in full attack mode!