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catagory5 Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:42 AM
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Seeking Superdelegates obama has paid $363,900 Clinton has paid 88,000
The high price of buying votes......Both of them guilty. One more than the other.


http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=336


February 14, 2008 | At this summer's Democratic National Convention, nearly 800 members of Congress, state governors and Democratic Party leaders could be the tiebreakers in the intense contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. If neither candidate can earn the support of at least 2,025 delegates in the primary voting process, the decision of who will represent the Democrats in November's presidential election will fall not to the will of the people but to these "superdelegates"—the candidates' friends, colleagues and even financial beneficiaries. Both contenders will be calling in favors.

And while it would be unseemly for the candidates to hand out thousands of dollars to primary voters, or to the delegates pledged to represent the will of those voters, elected officials who are superdelegates have received at least $890,000 from Obama and Clinton in the form of campaign contributions over the last three years, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

Obama, who narrowly leads in the count of pledged, "non-super" delegates, has doled out more than $694,000 to superdelegates from his political action committee, Hope Fund, or campaign committee since 2005. Of the 81 elected officials who had announced as of Feb. 12 that their superdelegate votes would go to the Illinois senator, 34, or 40 percent of this group, have received campaign contributions from him in the 2006 or 2008 election cycles, totaling $228,000. In addition, Obama has been endorsed by 52 superdelegates who haven't held elected office recently and, therefore, didn't receive campaign contributions from him.

Clinton does not appear to have been as openhanded. Her PAC, HILLPAC, and campaign committee appear to have distributed $195,500 to superdelegates. Only 12 percent of her elected superdelegates, or 13 of 109 who have said they will back her, have received campaign contributions, totaling about $95,000 since 2005. An additional 128 unelected superdelegates support Clinton, according to a blog tracking superdelegates and their endorsements, 2008 Democratic Convention Watch.

Because superdelegates will make up around 20 percent of 4,000 delegates to the Democratic convention in August--Republicans don't have superdelegates—Clinton and Obama are aggressively wooing the more than 400 superdelegates who haven't yet made up their minds. Since 2005 Obama has given 52 of the undecided superdelegates a total of at least $363,900, while Clinton has given a total of $88,000 to 15 of them. Anticipating that their intense competition for votes in state primaries and caucuses will result in a near-tie going into the nominating convention, the two candidates are making personal calls to superdelegates now, or are recruiting other big names to do so on their behalf. With no specific rules about what can and can't be done to court these delegates, just about anything goes.

"Only the limits of human creativity could restrict the ways in which Obama and Clinton will try to be helpful to superdelegates," said Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia. "My guess is that if the nomination actually depends on superdelegates, the unwritten rule may be, 'ask and ye shall receive.' "

Superdelegates will make their decisions based on a number of factors, said Richard Herrera, a political scientist at Arizona State University. Some have long-time political and personal ties to Clinton or Obama, some will support the candidate they think is more likely to beat the Republican nominee and others will commit to the candidate who won their state's support. Deciding whom to support based entirely on contributions from the candidates would be a political liability, Herrera said.

"I think Democrats, both regular delegates and superdelegates, see this year as an opportunity to really take back the White House," he said, "and I don't think there's that short-term political concern that money will play that kind of role. It's a much bigger picture at this point."

The superdelegates themselves say the same thing—that any money flowing from the presidential candidates to the delegates' own campaigns hasn't had any sort of influence on their decisions. Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell received $5,000 from Clinton in the 2006 election cycle and has endorsed her, while he hasn't received anything from Obama, campaign finance records indicate. Policy and a personal relationship with the Clintons, not money, swung his vote into her camp, according to spokesman Chuck Ardo. "The governor has known Mrs. Clinton for 15 years and has certainly had a close relationship with President Clinton as well," Ardo said. "I think those are the factors that are really more relevant, especially given the small fraction of his fundraising that Clinton's contributions made. It'd be ludicrous to tie that contribution to his support."

Yet the Center for Responsive Politics has found that campaign contributions have been a generally reliable predictor of whose side a superdelegate will take. In cases where superdelegates had received contributions from both Clinton and Obama, all seven elected officials who received more money from Clinton have committed to her. Thirty-four of the 43 superdelegates who received more money from Obama, or 79 percent, are backing him. In every case the Center found in which superdelegates received money from one candidate but not the other, the superdelegate is backing the candidate who gave them money. Four superdelegates who have already pledged received the same amount of contributions from both Clinton and Obama—and all committed to Clinton.

In addition to Gov. Rendell of Pennsylvania, at least two other governors who have endorsed Clinton have also received contributions from her in the past. Ohio's Gov. Ted Strickland received $10,000 and Oregon's Gov. Ted Kulongoski received $5,000. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who dropped out of the presidential race in January, has not endorsed a candidate but received $5,000 from Clinton in the 2006 election cycle.

The money that Clinton and Obama have contributed to the superdelegates who may now determine their fate has come from three sources: the candidates' campaign accounts for president and, before that, Senate, and from their leadership PACs. These PACs exist precisely to support other politicians in their elections—and, thus, to make friends and collect chits. Leadership PACs are supposed to go dormant after a presidential candidate officially enters the race.

Contributions to candidates for federal office are relatively easy to track, but money given to state and local officials is harder to spot. Campaign finance reports from Senate candidate committees are still filed on paper, making it difficult to know who is receiving money from them. For that reason it's possible that Obama and Clinton have given superdelegates even more than the $890,000 the Center for Responsive Politics has identified. While Obama has received the support of numerous state governors, state legislators and local officials, it does not appear that his leadership PAC or presidential candidate committee has contributed to any of them. His PAC did make one interesting contribution in 2006: for her Senate re-election, Hillary Clinton received a $4,200 contribution from Obama.

Another senator running for office in 2006, Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, collected $10,000 from both Clinton and Obama. As a superdelegate, Whitehouse is backing Clinton for the White House. "His decision was based on his relationship with the Clintons. President Clinton nominated him to be United States attorney in 1994, in Rhode Island, and he believes Sen. Clinton is the strongest candidate," said spokeswoman Alex Swartsel, adding that money wasn't a factor in Whitehouse's decision. "We were a top targeted Senate race in 2006 and we received a number of contributions, including those from Clinton and Obama."

Though it might seem undemocratic to allow elected officials who have received money from the candidates to have such power in picking their party's nominee, the process was not meant to be democratic, Arizona State's Herrera said. "If anything, it was meant to take it out of the democratic process. In 1982 said they needed to have some professionals making decisions here to blunt the potential effects of what they perceived as amateur delegates making decisions—those who vote with their heart and not their head."

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:44 AM
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1. SINCE 2005!!!
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catagory5 Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:46 AM
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2. uh ok.
since 2005. This makes it ok?
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:55 AM
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5. In 2005, was Obama prescient enough to know
that he would be even this far along in a presidential primary campaign -- let alone in a campaign at all -- to need the backing of super delegates? In a tight race? This argument doesn't pass the smell test.

I understand from a previous post that all members of congress help each other in their election campaigns if it appears needed, that it isn't "buying votes" from anybody, but rather a collegiate thing in a collegiate body.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:09 AM
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24. It does based on what he did
Why did half of the dough go to Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada? What made those four tiny states so special that half the money was sent to them and the other half distributed over the other forty six states?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:20 AM
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33. well--seems he WAS really running long time ago doesn't it.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:55 AM
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6. Yes it makes it perfectly okay
He announced his candidacy in 2007. He raised a ton of money probably for the 06' election.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:58 AM
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8. pure speculation on your part. Why make excuses for O.?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:59 AM
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9. Then its pure speculation the other way as well.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:01 AM
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12. perhaps. But you do know that O. has been 'running" form day 1 one don't you??
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:03 AM
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15. Apparently he was lying is ass off when he said, back in 2005
that he wasn't going to run in 2008. This is kind of like finding out that George Bush had been planning Iraq from the first month he entered the WH. So (not) surprising.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:21 AM
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34. when you use that analogy--it makes much clearer.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:04 AM
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17. More speculation I see.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:06 AM
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19. HA--you are under the SWOON effect you do realize??
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:07 AM
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21. Okay, look, Im sick of arguing with you on every fucking thread
So heres what Im going to do. I'm going to ignore you...agagin, and I hope you do the same to me.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:10 AM
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26. I am laughing so hard I can hardly type. HA--


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21. Okay, look, Im sick of arguing with you on every fucking thread

So heres what Im going to do. I'm going to ignore you...agagin, and I hope you do the same to me.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:10 AM
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25. His contributions show he was running for president from the beginning
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 02:12 AM by jackson_dem
And used his PAC to break the law to further his presidential candidacy. What "ethics" Mr. Clean Government has!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:11 AM
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28. Or helping raise money for their re-election campaigns.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:12 AM
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30. What made those four small states so special?
What about the other forty six states where basically the entire population lives?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:14 AM
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31. you already said that up above. Why make excuses? oops
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:12 AM
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29. Mr. Clean--aka Obama is not so clean.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:56 AM
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7. almost 4:1, Obama to Clinton.==tells me O. buys his deles lots more than
C. does.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:01 AM
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11. LOL -- It sounds like it's more about dollars than "change"
Man, are these folks in for a hard fall when they finally realize this guy is nothing but a slick operator who has conned the shit out of them.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:03 AM
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14. I have said it beforee--psychologists will be in demand!
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:04 AM
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16. It's probably part of his secret economic plan
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:07 AM
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20. Is that part of his vague Vision thingy?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:08 AM
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22. Obama corruption
According to the Obama campaign itself 43% of the dough went to four small states while 57% went to the other forty six states. What made Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada so special? He broke the law. Why would he do that unless there would be a payoff for him?

-snip-

According to a Hopefund finance report filed with the Federal Election Commission two weeks ago, the committee gave nearly $160,000 between July 1 and Nov. 5 to local and congressional officials in states that are holding presidential contests next month. During that period, Hopefund gave about $210,000 to federal candidates in other states across the country.

"There's a lot that voters don't know about Barack Obama," Wolfson said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "And one thing they don't know, we found out this week, which is that he has been using and operating a so-called leadership PAC, an apparent contravention of campaign finance laws, taking in money from lobbyists despite the fact that he said he doesn't take money from lobbyists."

Obama officials have said Hopefund was merely trying to assist Democratic candidates and pointed out that of the $476,000 that Hopefund contributed in 2007, about 57 percent went to states other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada or South Carolina.

But officials acknowledged to The Washington Post last week that campaign officials were consulted to determine who some of the recipients should be. They said the contributions did not violate FEC regulations.

http://nc.startribune.com/587/story/1586786.html
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:58 AM
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35. That bullshit about him not taking money from lobbyists...
just pisses me off so bad. I cannot believe how many people fall for his blatant lies. I don't understand why Hillary doesn't attack him. There is so much ammo.
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:53 AM
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3. THANKS for posting this
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 01:54 AM
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4. Oh, that's nothing... he has spent 23 million
... more than any candidate ever on campaign salaries in all those caucus states, which he has buried in the FEC statements as "temp help" -- no names.

I can tell you the kind of temps he had in WA state at the caucuses. I've worked my princint knocking doors, working polls for years. Also volunteer for the PTA at the high school. But curiously, there were at least 15 maybe 18 yr old boys I have never seen in all my years in this neighborhood that suddenly lived in my precinct. Kind of strange, since I have a teenage son, that I have never seen them before.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:00 AM
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10. whow. I have heard he has lots of paid operatives.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:01 AM
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13. He does indeed, and it appears to me that they really "operate"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:05 AM
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18. it all makes me sick!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:11 AM
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27. Including in the netroots
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 11:22 PM
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45. "The Obama Illusion - Presidential ambitions from the start"--interesting piece.



The Obama Illusion - Presidential ambitions from the start

An article by Paul Street

Long before any formal announcement (I’m writing this in early January), it was obvious that overnight sensation Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) wanted to be the U.S. ’s next chief executive.

The “charismatic” Obama was campaigning by at least November 2005, less than a year out of the Illinois state legislature. During 2006, Obama gave grave and “realistic” foreign policy speeches and made appearances on the “Tonight Show,” “Meet the Press,” “Late Night With Conan O’Brien,” the covers and/or pages of Time, Men’s Vogue, Marie Claire, Vanity Fair, and Washington Life. He appeared at the early political proving grounds of Iowa and New Hampshire . He reached across political and cultural lines—making a special point of talking to the religious right. He released a self-promotional book (deceptively titled The Audacity of Hope) that screamed presidential ambition beneath false humility and ponderous, power-worshipping prose.

He received the praise, money, positive media attention, and public recognition that a serious presidential run requires. His campaign fundraising Midas touch became a factor in the mid-term Congressional elections. The significance of his ambition and ever-rising stature is enhanced by the fact that the Democrats’ presumed frontrunner, Hilary Clinton, is seen by many election experts and brokers as unelectable.

If the Democrats’ candidate in 2008 is Obama, we can be sure that the right-wing Republican noise machine will denounce the nation’s potential first non-white male president as a dangerous “leftist.” The charge will be absurd, something that will hardly stop numerous people on the portside of the narrow U.S. political spectrum from claiming Obama as a fellow “progressive.” Certain to be encouraged by Obama and his handlers, this confusion will reflect the desperation and myopia that shaky thinking and the limited choices of the U.S. electoral system regularly instill in liberals and some squishy near leftists.

……….

zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/streetpr0207.html
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:08 AM
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23. Looks Like Hillary
Needs to catch up.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 02:16 AM
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32. catch up to Mr. Clean?
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:13 AM
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36. This whole topic is laughable
Spending money to help Democrats get elected in 2006 is what I would expect of any National candidate. Of course they all happen to be super delegates, and candidates may remember another candidates generocity. So yeah... Hillary needs to catch up :).
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:19 AM
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37. but..but..Obama's different...he doesn't play that kind of stuff...more kool-aide please. nt
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:22 AM
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38. I'm not understanding
Aren't all elected Democrats superdelegates? How do you contribute to somebody's election campaign without contributing to a superdelegate?

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:24 AM
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39. Bingo.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:24 AM
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40. That is what makes this article so laughable -nt
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 03:48 AM
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41. OMG! Shock! Horror! Swoon! He is such a HAXOR - Not!
He has been running for president almost since he was in his madrassa :sarcasm:

Yet another divisive post from a "supporter" of a candidate who has been running for the presidency since December 1992. So he has been supporting SDs in their states, whereas Hillary has been calling in favours.

HRC supporters want a President or the Godmother*? :sarcasm:

*see Terry Pratchet - Witches Abroad
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 06:51 AM
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42. File Under Superfluous Stuff with which you'd fertilize your garden
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 06:52 AM by GalleryGod

Mika hears Big Dawg's headed for the Studio
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 07:21 AM
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43. Vote for Obama, get MORE politics of the past, lol.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-15-08 08:00 AM
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44. Wow - he gives money to other Dem candidates
Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 08:01 AM by heraldsqure
but Hillary, who spent $41M on an easy re-election campaign for Senate, keeps all her money for herself. I'd say that's another reason to support Obama - he works to make the whole party stronger.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-16-08 12:07 AM
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46. Okay, so Obama readily contributes .......
to the re-election campaigns of his fellow Senators, while Clinton hordes her money for herself.
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