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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:13 AM
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Hillary on MI Primary "this election...is not going to count for anything"

Hillary on MI Primary "this election...is not going to count for anything"

Thanks for Frank Rich for pointing out this nugget in his article in the NYT today, Next Up for the Democrats: Civil War.

This is what Hillary said on 10/10/07 regarding the MI Primary and leaving her name on the ballet: "It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

Follow below to hear the clip in her own words...

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

Here's a link to the short (edited) byte with the interviewer's question and the response:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=zydzt

Here's a link to the unedited longer byte with her full answer:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=u01y4

Here's the link to the full original NHPR interview on 10/10/07 :

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

I think that is it pretty clear that she has "changed" her position on this now that she is not winning.

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:15 AM
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1. They need to schedule elections
in Florida and Michigan now.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:17 AM
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4. How is it they get do overs and some of us haven't even voted yet?
The guy I wanted to vote for is eliminated long before I get to mark a ballot. These states get a Do-over?

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:30 AM
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9. I don't understand the question. nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:33 AM
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10. What qualifies them to get a second vote?
Those states chose to move the primary up and the party said no. They went ahead and move it suffering the consequences.

It brings all new meaning to the phrase vote early, vote often.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:40 AM
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12. They didn't get one vote.
Do you think the delegates shouldn't be counted, or that treachery should be rewarded?

If you think the first is a solution, then it is the voters are screwed, not the state Party.

If you think that candidates who made public promises then acted differently should benefit from their duplicity, it is still the voters who are screwed.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:40 AM
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11. No - they never had a full real election to begin with
This is most true in Michigan where Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:16 AM
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2. If you want to lose 2 States in the generl elections
Disenfranchise them in the Primaries.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:19 AM
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5. That's perfectly fine just re-run them and don't disenfranchise Edwards and Barack voters.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:20 AM
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8. Also uncommitted is not their voters they are uncommitted.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:17 AM
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3. Honesty is the best policy. Barack Obama 2008.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:19 AM
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6. Hillary didn't give a shit about us
until it became clear to her that she needed us. The coronation isn't going as well as she expected.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:19 AM
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7. Then why were you on the ballot Ms. Clinton?
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:45 AM
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13. John King on CNN pointed out the irony
(I think it was John King) that Florida and Michigan wanted increase their influence over the primaries by moving up their dates and instead lost their delegates, but if they had left it as it was, they'd have had a great deal of influence even with a later primary. IMO, the influence would be arguably greater now than it would have been earlier.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:51 AM
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14. That was then, this is now..
Hillary's last ditch firewall...FL and MI.

This underhanded perversion of the peoples choice, will tear the dem party in half and hand the whitehouse to McPain and the rethug's on a sliver platter.

Those delegates should in no way be seated. WTH is every state gonna move their primary/caucus up to before Iowa and NH now with no fear?

If Hillary attempts this she will prove to the world she is a low-down cheater and a world-class liar of Bush proportions!

Will Hillary risk leaving us in Iraq for a hundred years, plus war in Iran, plus prolong the republican recession/depression for her ego's sake?

Time will tell...
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:08 AM
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17. I put a poll up a month ago
asking if people thought hillary would go to the supreme court to win this election. The longer this talk goes on of the FL and MI delegates the more I am becoming convinced she just might to that.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:18 AM
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18. great post
and oh, so true!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 10:52 AM
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15. K & R
:kick:
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 11:07 AM
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16. There will be no 'do over' in Michigan folks.
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