Clinton was not a great president.

[Drunken Irishman]

Anyone who believes he deserves this title is too focused in recent history and ignorant of the past.

Do I think Clinton was a good president? Yeah. He was slightly better than average. But to suggest he was the last great president is absurd. The last great president this country had was probably FDR.

Now if you say Clinton was the last GOOD president we had, I'll readily concede that belief. But he was not a great president. He did not do great things for this country and he did not dramatically shape its foundation like the few great presidents before him.

[gristy]

1. Brilliant!

Thanks for the clarity. Clearly deserving of an OP. Not.

[Drunken Irishman]

3. Which means it's not worthy of a reply, yet you just did.

Hm.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

2. LOL ok

[ingac70]

4. Bill was the best Republican President we ever had. n/t.

[no name no slogan]

6. The best since Eisenhower

NAFTA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, Welfare Deform, The Telecomm Act, and the Financial Services Reform Act are straight out of the Richard Nixon playbook.

[kurth]

5. Okay. Scale is: dirtbag, terrible, fair, good, great, spectacular, Obama

Surely historians will agree.

[Drunken Irishman]

8. Oh I think you got that wrong.

Dirtbag, terrible, fair, good, Clinton 1, Clinton 2, great, spectacular, most excellent, delux, OBAMA!

;)

[suston96]

7. Greatness is measured by the magnitude of the challenges an individual faces.

Clinton faced great challenges and he prevailed. That makes him a great one.

Most popular president leaving office since WW II.

[Drunken Irishman]

9. I don't see what great challenges he faced.

And to make them comparable to the struggles of say what Roosevelt and Lincoln faces diminish those real struggles.

[suston96]

12. No great challenges for Clinton? Oh, I must be thinking of someone else. Sorry. nt.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. Compared to whom?

If you put his challenges side-by-side of Roosevelt and Lincoln, hell, even Kennedy, they dwarf anything he faced.

[suston96]

18. Yeah, you are correct. I surrender. Clinton was a bum. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

21. Now come on, I never said that.

In fact, if you read my original post, I said he was a good president.

However, I don't think he was a great president. In my mind, there are only a select few presidents who have done enough to receive that honor, Clinton is not one of them. It doesn't mean he was a bad president, or a failure, just not a great.

[jakem]

11. challenges of his creation-

i liked (past tense) bill, but he was his own worst enemy.

self-sabotaging through and through. this trend will continue if we get more clintons.

[bulloney]

30. Yeah, what were these "great" challenges Clinton faced?

Were we in some type of economic catastrophe that he led us out from?

Were we under attack a la Pearl Harbor and he brought the nation together to retaliate against the right nation (are you listening Bush supporters)?

Please clarify.

[Deja Q]

10. I'd say Eisenhower...

If certain twits would look at the whole of the 1950s, they'd see why most thinking people miss that era the most. But they are only interested in wedge issues, nor can they be bothered to think at all so I'll join the crowd and start with empty responses too...


The target audience isn't anyone who has posted since this time timestamp... :)

[Tropics_Dude83]

13. In fact, Bill Clinton was Newt Gingrich's b*ch

The republican congress said Jump and Clinton said "how high." Even Allan Greenspan says Clinton was the best republican president in the last 20 years.

[bulloney]

34. I would say the last 90 years.

That would take you to the three clowns I hold responsible for the Great Depression...Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. All Republicans. And each of those three presidents had Republican-controlled Houses and Senates to work with.

[comradebillyboy]

14. better than Bush1, Bush 2, Ford, Regan, Carter

almost as good as Nixon, except Clinton did not undermine the constitution. These are the presidents since I have been old enough to vote. But I agree that FDR was the last really great president. LBJ could have been if he had ended the Viet-Nam war.

[no name no slogan]

16. If not for Vietnam, LBJ would've been up there with FDR

The Civil Rights Acts, Medicare, Head Start, the other Great Society programs... he managed to cut the poverty rate in half during his presidency. If he only would have stayed out of SE Asia, he would be remembered as a truly great president.

[OzarkDem]

22. Better, even than Kennedy (not slighting JFK)

But sadly, Clinton was in office longer and had more time to accomplish things.

[zbdent]

15. I remember all the anti-Clintonites through the nineties claiming

that Hillary was the one running the show, that Bill was just the figurehead ... that Hillary wasn't capable of believing that she wasn't running things ... of course, those same people are now saying "What did she do? Nothing ..."

[KittyWampus]

20. weren't those same idiots railing about Vince Foster? That was just a crazy fringe

who had a freaking really loud mouth on the radio (Rush)

[zbdent]

25. yeah, but ... for the tinfoil hatters, her part in his murder was covered up and called

a suicide ... by that, ultra liberal investigator ... what was his name? ... hmm ...

Oh, yeah ... Ken Starr ...

[baldguy]

19. Bill Clinton was - and IS - a great politician.

Hillary isn't. She's a policy wonk.

[JI7]

23. i think he cared too much about staying in power to take risks

that could have made him great or at least much better than he was.

the sista souljah moments are a good example such as his signing DOMA, welfare reform, lack of health care.

one problem was the Republican congress , but even that is an example of Clinton not bringing the country to his side and get him a democratic congress to pass his agenda.

[intaglio]

24. Ummmm living up to the stereotypes about your name DI?

thems fightin' words. If this were a saloon the area would already be cleared

Oh, and good luck

[OzarkDem]

26. No, he was an excellent one

GOP-style revisionism will not help promote your candidate.

[conservdem]

27. Agreed that he was not great.

[jillan]

28. Since he was the first Dem Prez re-elected to a second term in how many years . . .

I don't think your beliefs are in the majority.

[goldcanyonaz]

29. Most of Obama's supporters on this forum are not in the majority in their thinking.

Thank G-D for that.

[Cameron27]

31. Thank g-d for that is right.

[theHandpuppet]

32. And this has what to do with the primaries?

Nice try. Keep up the freeper tactics.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

33. He Was Absolutely A Great President. Do You Really Need To Stoop So Low For Your Candidate?

We need to tarnish a great man's legacy now because you have to try and undermine any accomplishments related to the Clintons, merely because you have a candidate running against them? Grow the fuck up and try and find some integrity.