While y'all are conveniently distracted by primaries, will Dems vote on Tues for universal wiretaps?

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Poll question: While y'all are conveniently distracted by primaries, will Dems vote on Tues for universal wiretaps?

Rockefeller admits Dem FISA law is to legalize Bush AND Clinton's national
warrantless communications filtering system

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4492146

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2833683

Dems Capitulate on FISA -- Dodd will NOT Filibuster on Potomac Tuesday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2805119

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2831657

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1. Witness how few replies the threads have gotten...I think its safe to say my assessment is accurate.

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2. No replies, no interest.

Prepare to take it up the ass by your new DLC overlords after this bill is passed.

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3. Still no replies, still no interest

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4. Resistance is futile

You WILL be distracted from your previous commitment to this issue.

Either that or the liberal wind went out of peoples' sails
and the people posting on Obama vs. Clinton are not the same crowd
who thought warrantless wiretapping was an impeachable offense.

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5. I thought the issue

was not so much the warrant less overseas wiretapping but the telcom immunity....and I guess since Dodd isn't going to filibuster - then of course they will approve it - and would have eventually anyway - we're so fucking lost in this country and SO CONTROLLED by the corporations - and I wonder with the M$M, election fraud, corruption and all the other shit - if we'll ever come close to getting it back to WE THE PEOPLE....

I didn't read any of the links - so if I missed something in one of them I apologize - I just really couldn't take reading them - too freaking discouraging....its been discouraging for a LONG time but none more so under the Pelosi/Reid Congress....

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6. No Rockefeller admitted on Senate floor that the wiretapping will be done to all long-distance calls

The filtering system for phone and e-mail on ALL long distance networks
is completely beyond the 4th Amendment and cannot be made subject to it.

It would have to be completely disbanded if warrants were required.

This is not about individual traces on overseas terrorists.

They are monitoring all electronic communications including your own,
with the consent of your phone provider, and wish to legalize their
actions.

As Rocklefeller admitted, this is about setting up filters -- filters
run by servers in switching stations the size of a city block on the
grounds of Fort Meade. These filters process all communications in
the US (up to several petabytes) and violate the 4th Amendment.

Under the new law this violation will be OK provided the "ultimate target"
is overseas. Spying on intermediate US citizen targets without a
warrant, in an indefinite chain of degrees of separation will be
legally permissible.

The NSA will no longer be described as a black op and the federal
government will be legally able to acknowledge its existence and
the existence of the server farms that are reading this, right now,
and filtering it for code words (such as "NSA" and "terrorist").

In addition, one should not think wiretapping was not the real issue
but retroactive immunity is.

Either it should be a criminal anti-4th Amendment act or not.

If it is legalized, then telecoms will not be prosecuted on the grounds
that the government, Democrats AND Republicans is now encouraging their
spying and should not penalize them for doing so without authorization.

That is why Citibank got away with renaming itself "Citibanc"
and illegally purchasing investment firms to become the worlds
largest financial institution illegally, in anticipation of
the Clinton banking deregulation act which retroactively
legalized their mergers. Then they changed the name back.

In the interim they were operating under soon-to-be defunct
New Deal prohibitions on an organization calling itself a "bank"
purchasing investment companies.

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7. Still no votes, no recs

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8. Dems have abandoned civil liberties

judging from the lack of response to this thread and the threads linked to it.

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9. Still no replies...