HRC has problems with the caucus system, but 40% of the nomination by SD isn't an issue?

[Yael]

She can't win Washington because 3 nurses can't caucus, yet she no issue with the >800 super delegates that may just make the decision?

[calteacherguy]

1. If Obama wins the popular vote and the Superdelegates give it to Hillary

I will leave the Democratic Party and do everything in my power to destroy help destroy the Democratic Party and replace it with a real progressive Party.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. She's ahead in the popular vote. More hypocrisy from you.

[chascarrillo]

13. Who led the popular vote in Alaska, and by how much?

There was no popular vote taken in caucus states, so any comparison of nationwide popular vote totals is pretty much meaningless.

[goldcanyonaz]

15. 400 people voted in Alaska. Clinton won California by 400,000 votes.

[chascarrillo]

18. Wrong. 400 state delegates i n AK were elected.

Try again!

You can't put apples and oranges in the same bushel and call them the same thing.

[Zynx]

22. Alaska doesn't even have 400,000 voters.

[chascarrillo]

23. And they didn't hold a primary, so a "national primary vote" is meaningless

[cali]

20. she's ahead by .04%. Do you really want to brag about that?

And as of tonight, she'll be behind in the popular vote by more than that. It's hypocritical to say anything but that they're tied.

[thesubstanceofdreams]

27. She is NOT AHEAD in popular vote

She won the popular vote on ST by a tiny minority, but thanks to Obama's blowout in SC, he's actually ahead in the popular vote so far (by a very small margin, granted).

[DURHAM D]

4. Why is it that the Obama people started just recently disliking SDs?

What if Hillary wins the majority of delegates and the SDs give it to Obama? Will you still leave the party?

[Kittycat]

6. I've never liked it.

Actually, I much rather prefer straight popular vote.

[goldcanyonaz]

7. They used to love the popular vote, then they went with delegates, and now...

:shrug:

They're very consistent at being inconsistent.

[Yael]

10. Edwards Dam here -- just really getting sick of Clinton's system gamiing

[papau]

8. I may well join you - if Hillary has won total national popular vote and doesn't get nomination - or

If Obama wins the popular vote and the Superdelegates give it to Hillary -

it may well be time to walk.

Every vote cast this primary season should count equally.

[durrrty libby]

14. Man you sloshed down so much Kool-Aide and turned into

such a cultist, I doubt you even have control over your own bowels

[Nimrod2005]

19. I will leave the party as well....I will vote something else in November

[papau]

3. Now that Obama has said the winner of the total popular vote should get nomination

should Dean and the DNC work to get Hillary's agreement. so that come mid June we add up all the votes that have been cast and the loser releases all their pledged delegates -

we get no more worries about super delegates that way.

[Yael]

5. I missed this? Link?

[Yossariant]

9. As usual, it's hard to know What Obama Really Means:

“My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates from the most voters in the country, that it would be problematic for the political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/02/08/politics/fromtheroad/entry3809478.shtml

[papau]

11. The clip was shown on Hardball - Obama was saying that super delegates should not count and the

winner of the most elected delegates, or most states, or of the total popular vote, should get the nomination.“My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates from the most voters in the country, that it would be problematic for the political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/02/08/politics/fromtheroad/entry3809478.shtml






It appeared he was confident he would win all 3 titles - indeed for the first time - if he sticks with the popular vote idea - I could 99.99% of the Social Security crowd moving to Obama if Hillary is not the nominee. Speaking to folks tonight the super delegate folks were willing to cave if the change is to total popular vote.

[Orangepeel]

12. for the record, superdelegates make up 20% of delegates

and it isn't like they are going to all vote the same way. Obama has plenty and will have plenty more.

[Yael]

25. I know that -- thats why I phrased it the way I did.

they comprise 40% of the needed 2025.

40% of the NOMINATION.

[Orangepeel]

26. If they were one vote

But these are elected officials --Senators, Congresspeople, Governors, from all over the country. They aren't going to vote as a block.

I don't mind the concept of superdelegates. I think that people elected as Democrats have a say in who the Democratic nominee is. I do think that 20% is too high -- I'd prefer 10%.

But anyway, the rules are what they are and the nominee should be decided by them. I hope the superdelegates vote en masse for the candidate I support (which is Obama), and I think most of them will. But regardless, the rules are what they are when the canddiates starting running. Many people here may not have known them, but Obama and Clinton did.

[mondo joe]

16. SDs are 1/5 the vote, not 40%. And not Clinton's invention either.

And she's not the only one who has a problem with caucuses.

[Yael]

24. I know that -- thats why I phrased it the way I did.

they comprise 40% of the needed 2025.

40% of the NOMINATION.

[TexasObserver]

17. She has no principles and no integrity. She's Tracy Flick.

Winning is all that matters to her. How she gets there is whatever it takes.

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. Have you been active IN the Party before now?

I dont mean active in elections, I mean active IN the Democratic Party? There are local Democratic committee men and women elected by registered Democrats, and a representative system that ultimately makes up the various State Democratic Parties. Unltimatly they elect a Democratic National Committee, and they elect a DNC Chair who now is Howard Dean.

The Super Delegate system has been in place for decades. It was set up by the DNC. Have you opposed it in your Party in the past? Have candidates you supported lobbyed to win the support of Super Delegates?