Could Karl Rove and the Independents be involved in Obama's Numbers?

[eddiedemocrat]

Could Karl Rove and the Independents be involved in Obama's
Numbers?
Reason I ask is because of the way the independents helped
Huckabee's in some states to hurt Rommney and I am sure if
Karl could he would try to pick the Candidate  his party would
run against in November. There were a lot of repugs states
that went Obama last night,just a thought.

Sorry misspelled name

[Eurobabe]

1. Who is Karl Rowe?

:shrug:

[dionysus]

2. who's karl rowe?

[Eurobabe]

5. you know, Karl Rowe and the Independents

a new rap group.

[AlCzervik]

3. can we please stop over rating Rowe/Rove?

[Botany]

4. Sure

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages
in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other
users into an emotional response.

[leftynyc]

8. The OPer can't spell

and may very well be a troll but I think it's a legitimate question.

[Botany]

12. The right wants to run against Hillary and have said as much.

They do not want to run against Obama.

[Mike Daniels]

14. Well, the same could be said re McCain v. Romney

I'm sure Dems would rather run against McCain and could easily be voting in the Republican primary to push him to the nomination.

This isn't something that's the exclusive practice of one party over the other.

[leftynyc]

20. I keep seeing that argument with

nothing but wishful thinking to back it up. Got any facts or just your personal feeling about it (which is fine - we all have opinions) but this has been posted over and over with nothing behind it.

[Mike Daniels]

24. John Warner was nominated in a Rep. primary through Dem / Ind. assistance

From Wikipedia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Warner

Because of his centrist stances on many issues and because of his 1993 and 1994 snubbing of fellow Republicans, Warner faced opposition from angry members of his own party when he decided to run for re-election to a fourth term in the Senate in 1996. Many of Virginia's staunch Republican voters began a "Dump Warner" campaign to try to deny him re-nomination.

However, Virginia's GOP party rules allow the incumbent to select the nominating process. Knowing he would probably lose the nomination at a convention or caucus, where only party regulars would be voting, he selected a primary. In Virginia, primaries are open to all registered voters, so Warner encouraged Democrats and independents to vote in that primary. His strategy worked and he handily defeated Republican rival James C. Miller III for the nomination.



So tell me again how my theory is full of it. And, if you're going to claim that Warner was an exception to the rule you need to step into the real world where both parties use every trick possible to gain a hand over the opponent.

[leftynyc]

25. What does that have to do

with this race? The claim is that Obama will do better with independents. I asked for evidence of that.

[leftynyc]

21. I keep seeing that argument with

nothing but wishful thinking to back it up. Got any facts or just your personal feeling about it (which is fine - we all have opinions) but this has been posted over and over with nothing behind it.

[Botany]

26. A google search provides tons of articles and quotes ....

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/016568.php

A run against Hillary relieves a lot of pressure from the GOP. No one believes that Hillary can inspire people out to the polls like Barack Obama. Her negatives run far too high for that kind of reaction to her candidacy. Republicans worried more about Obama because he changed the dynamics of presidential races, where experience and strength may have turned into liabilities rather than assets. Hillary hasn't run that kind of campaign, instead emphasizing her "training" as First Lady as experience and strength unmatched by her opponents.

But everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, know why the GOP wants to face Hillary in November. It's not because they like the Clintons, but because the Clintons unite the Republican base like no other Democrat -- and perhaps like no other Republican. Hillary will star in thousands of mailers, television ads, and websites, all cajoling Republicans to open their wallets, organize, and get to the voting booth.

And -- it will work. Even in a year where the fractures among the Republican coalition have been painfully evident, everyone will unite to keep the Clintons out of the White House. While Obama may have won some moderate Republicans to his side just based on his personal appeal, none will endorse the Restoration. Fredheads, Log Cabins, evangelicals, small-L libertarians, and hawks will all find a truce to battle Hillary to the last vote

[Eurobabe]

13. there's a rash of children left behind on this board of late

I have never scene such poor speling. dindt any of thees peeple goe to sckool??

[blm]

15. they certainly haven't read the National Security Archives, that's for sure.

.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. I've been saying this is what the rove/corporate/gop plan IS since Boston in 04

and guess what?....so far so good!


most of Obama's wins were in the states that..had "open" primary and Caucus's.......meaning that many repuke voters joined in just to fuck with the Dem Primary and voted for Obama because they know he can't win in the GE.....and they will now go about their pathetic lives and not vote for him in the GE this Nov.

that is why the repuke owned corporate and their media whores are also pushing for Obama too....all morning not barely a word about any of Clinton's wins and playing clips only of Obama's speech and McCains speeches..... have to ask yourself why

let me tell you.....this has been the rove/gop/corporate plan since Boston.....I do hope everyone understands this

[leftynyc]

9. Don't expect the Obama supporters to listen

They're like children that put their fingers in their ears and say LALALALALA. I'm sure all the republicans and independents voting in the dem primary/caucus just LOVE Obama and are voting for him for completely innocent reasons. I'm just sure that's it.

[blm]

11. That's funny. No one has been closer to BushInc over the last twenty years than Clintons

and the Clintons have been instrumental in pushing Bush's terrorism and war policies onto many Dems in DC - urging support of Bush on those issues, just as Bill urged Tony Blair to stand by Bush.

What is with the revisionism going on here? Since when did Clintons ever OPPOSE Bush at any point over the last 7 years? They were on the same page as Lieberman in their support for Bush and only tacked to the left rhetorically after Lieberman lost his primary race.

[cali]

17. um, I think the shell shocked Hillary supporters are the ones acting

like babies. You all can't deal with the fact that your inevitable candidate has real competition so you make up silly conspiracy theories to account for why he's competitive. The fact is, the majority of people don't vote in the kind of convoluted way you suggest, and none of the analysts are experts agree with your tin foil ideas. I'd be embarassed to resort to tin foil.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. What I want to know about this conspiracy theory they have is:

How are they getting all those independent voters to go along with the scheme?

[leftynyc]

19. Now that's rich coming from you

When Clinton won NH who the hell was whining about cheating?? And experts??? What experts?? Those paid pundits on TV - surely youi can't be hanging your hopes on them - you know, the same assholes that were being crucified by every dem for the last 7 years. Now we have more whining about super delegates after screaming RULES, RULES in not seating FL and MI - how do you keep all your shit straight?

[cali]

22. Certainly not me, sweetie. I was cautioning people against taking

that route. YOU are the one espousing tin foil ideas. I never, ever do. No, not pundits on TV. I'm rather a snob that way. I don't have TV and I don't listen to trash radio like you. I'm talking about people like Peter Hart and others I've heard on NPR.

You might want to actually think before talking smack, pumpkin. I've been screaming rules way before I committed to supporting Obama. You can't have states agreeing to the primary process and than simply deciding to break that agreement. But I have faith in Howard and I'll go with what ever he decides to do- seat them in full or partially or whatever.

Now straighten up your little tin foil hat and go back to your childish CT theories.

[leftynyc]

23. You've become impossible.

I don't even own a radio and don't drive so can't listen there either so stuff your ignorant assumptions. And I'm sure it never occurred to anyone that pukes may be fucking with your head - they're waaaaay to honest for that.

And because you've become such a crybaby about everything that doesn't fit your worldview, welcome to ignore.

[blm]

10. Baloney - factor in some REALITY about what Terry McAuliffe and TeamClinton

had been up to the last 8 years.

HERE is what was happening by April 2004:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

And Bill's TIMELY defense of Bush's terrorism and Iraq decisions during his summer 2004 THREE WEEK book tour:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

And Carville's sabotage of Ohio voters on election night2004:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Not to mention the constant protection of BushInc throughout the 90s:
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

There's been a plan in place - but it's been the Bush-Clinton-Bush plan all along.

Why else would McAuliffe NEVER secure the election process after 2000s blatant theft?

[blm]

7. Karl Rove LOST HIS GRIP on Independents by mid 2004. Kerry carried the Indie vote.

And Independents further distanced themselves from Rove after Schiavo and Katrina and Iraq Civil War reality set in.

Karl Rove barely controls GOP now.

[onenote]

16. A winner for this week's dumbest DU post -- and its only Wednesday

and these days, the competition is mighty fierce.

And by the way, in what universe do you think that Rove is pro-McCain and anti-Romney?