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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:37 AM
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Bragging Rights - Did Obama or Clinton win Super Tuesday?


Did Obama or Clinton win Super Tuesday?
By John Dickerson
Posted Wednesday, Feb. 6, 2008, at 1:55 AM ET

A spooky ad that ran repeatedly during CNN's Super Tuesday coverage suggested that you should contemplate your life as if you had only one month to live. If you do that, expect to exit without knowing the Democratic nominee. After Super Tuesday voting, the clearest thing about the race on the Democratic side is that it's headed into March—and quite possibly beyond.

Both the Clinton and Obama campaigns emerged from Super Tuesday with bragging rights. Clinton trounced Obama in Massachusetts 56 percent to 41 percent. It was a thrashing that almost matched the one he gave her in South Carolina. She had been ahead in polls in the state, but for the last week Barack Obama has had about the best press imaginable there. He was being compared often to JFK by Kennedy family members, who did everything but play touch football with him on the lawn. Obama also had the support of Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

Clinton also won the toss-up state of New Jersey and the largest popular-vote prize in California, where she was able to stop Obama's movement with two crucial blocs of voters. She won Latino voters by 32 points even though Obama was endorsed by the state's largest Spanish-language newspaper. She won by 18 points among women despite a widely publicized rally attended by Michele Obama, Oprah Winfrey, and Caroline Kennedy, at which California First Lady Maria Shriver made a surprise appearance and endorsement.

Obama, for his part, can brag about picking up Connecticut, a state in Clinton's own back yard. He also stole more votes from her home state of New York than she took from him in Illinois. And Obama claimed his share of the toss-up states, winning the popular vote in Colorado and Delaware. These wins, plus his victories in Georgia and Alabama, allowed Obama, like Clinton, to claim a geographically diverse set of victories. By several measures, Obama was the victor: He picked up 13 states to Clinton's eight, and he won more pledged delegates. This gives him additional momentum going into some promising-looking primaries over the next couple of weeks. The contests in the next two weeks in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., on Feb. 12 followed by Wisconsin and Hawaii on Feb. 19 all favor him. His $32 million fund-raising record in January shows that he will have more money than Clinton to wage a protracted campaign. Obama will also have time to become better known—particularly for the March 4 primaries in Ohio and Texas—than he did in the 22 states in which he competed today.

http://www.slate.com/id/2183819/?GT1=10935
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:39 AM
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1. Obama, of course. The tee vee told me so.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:40 AM
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3. MA really Shot Down Kennedy & Kerry
Shows what they thought of their nonsense.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:43 AM
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5. he gained like 20 points from just a little over a week ago
"shot down" is when you get the results like in south carolina.

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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:06 AM
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14. I get this feeling about this time
If we put in Clinton we are dragging the old times with us and if we put in Obama we will get some thing new. The 'old' Kennedy and Kerry are part of that past just as Bill is to Clinton. I do not think Hillery can bring about that change we need with Bill in the co-President seat and if she makes it that is what it will seem like we did. I think Hillery is just not the right person to bring this country together even if she would make a pretty good president. It is her way on what she and Bill want and it seens to have to be her way. Obama is a different type and this is a time for him. That time will not open if we have 4 or 8 years of the Clintons. Just a feeling on all this. We seem to need the 'old' guys to fade away. Obama has sure come a long way when this seemed to be a cake walk a few months ago, for the Clintons.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:39 AM
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2. They both did about what they thought they would do
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:42 AM
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4. Bruce Dickinson reports: They both need MORE COWBELL!!!! n/t
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:44 AM
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6. Yes, they won...
either one would be a million times better than what we have now. And I look forward to Hillary, Obama, and John Edwards ALL playing a role in the next administration.


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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:46 AM
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7. The Democratic Party won Super Tuesday
and 'by Jesus' the Republicans lost Big Time.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:47 AM
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8. Numbers wise, Looks like Clinton. Morning Joe, it's hard to tell.
Need more coffee...
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:48 AM
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9. Super bowl hangover
Obama lost MA because too many people (especially people that like watching football) were depressed and not up for much of anything for the last two days.

Perfect season blown because they could stop 1 late 4th quarter drive. Super bowl lost.

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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:50 AM
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11. Uh huh...
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IADEMO2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:49 AM
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10. I am surprised Clinton got any votes
Media has had her campaign tied to a chair in the basement beating it with a rubber hose for months
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:56 AM
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12. Yeah, we dropped cable. They'll screw our candidate
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 06:57 AM by neutron
the way they did Kerry. Right wingers are more suseptible to
propaganda.

An added bonus of dropping cable in our area, is we lost all
reception. So we don't have to listen to General Electric -
NBC telling us how to vote.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:58 AM
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13. The media coverage is outrageously pro Obama.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:09 AM
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15. Obama won Super Tuesday.
He won more states.

He's tied in pledged delegates, or slightly ahead.

He won bigger in states where he won.

He has more money, more contributors who aren't part of the Evil Empire, and more street cred with the average voter.

She fell back behind her firewall, and it temporarily saved her from defeat.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 07:33 AM
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16. Clearly Obama, he got over 40% in Cali and upsets in CT, DE, ID
and MN.

He also has a good chance to win the next six or seven primary states in a sweep.
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