The dynasty issue. A revolving Bush-Clinton door or the Obama clan dominating two countries?

[jackson_dem]

We have a choice between:

1) Having two families continue their dominance of one country with Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton
2) Having two families potentially run two countries at the same time

The opposition leader of Kenya, who many believe won before rigging, is Obama's cousin. The Obama campaign has not denied his claim that he is Barack's cousin.

The purpose of this thread is to show the hollowness of the argument made by some Obamites that voting for Obama represents a break from dynasty politics. It doesn't. We, now that the corporations through their media mouthpieces have narrowed it to their two selected candidates, have a choice between continuing the iron grip two families have had on our country since 1988 (and some believe since 1980) and choosing to allow two families to potentially run two countries at the same time, if, as is likely, Odingna assumes power at some point during Barack's presidency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7176683.stm

[BringBigDogBack]

1. No more Clintons. No more Bushes.

[jackson_dem]

2. Having one family run two countries is any better?

Give me a break. If dynasties were an issue those raising it would have voted for the son of a millworker from an ordinary family.

[BringBigDogBack]

18. No more Bushes. No more Clintons.

faux outrage over Kenya? Strawman much?

How does that compare to someone who lives here, is 39 years old, and has never been able to vote for anything other than a Bush or Clinton in their lifetime?

Your point absolutely fucking misses. Misses huge.

[lurky]

3. Odinga claims to be Obama's cousin.

But this has not been confirmed. Some people think he is just being an opportunist, claiming to be Obama's cousin to bolster his own image in Kenya.

[jackson_dem]

4. Why hasn't the Obama camp denied it if it isn't true?

It wouldn't be hard to figure out if Obama's father was Odinga's uncle.

[Alexander]

12. For the same reason Hillary's camp hasn't denied anything about Vince Foster.

Because it's ridiculous.

[jackson_dem]

19. Big difference Alex

If Odinga is being truthful that raises the issue of familial favoritism for Kenya from Obama. That is similar to the JFK-Pope issue and JFK distanced himself from the Pope and declared he wouldn't follow the Pope's policies blindly. If they are not cousins Obama should tell us so the favoritism issue isn't a factor.

[Alexander]

27. "If what Odinga claims is true"....might as well be "If the Foster theories are true"

There's as much credibility and evidence to both. ZERO.

Apparently when you become a fanatical supporter, the logic portion of your brain must shut down.

[Sensitivity]

5. Such a stretch. Now we will hear that Obama is disqualified because Cheney is a "Cousin"

[jackson_dem]

6. It is as dumb as whining about Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton

Obama is Cheney's 9th cousin. He is apparently Odinga's first cousin. Big difference...

[ugdude]

7. Cant help choose your blood. You can help stop a dynasty

Stop Bush-Clinton. Enough corruption!

[jackson_dem]

8. Which dynasty? The two nation Obama one or the Bush-Clinton rotation?

[Alexander]

11. He's probably not even Obama's cousin. He only claimed that.

[ugdude]

13. Jackson dem, why are you even going to Obamas rally if you hate him so much?

Your contempt is so obvious. I'm sad that you're taking another persons place who actually doesnt hate Obama. Then again, Clinton paid operatives follow Obama everywhere, even on his website, even on DU, paid to report back whatever detail they can find and overexaggerate things that arent there (handshake bullshit).

[Clintonista2]

14. Aren't you the guy who goes on about Hillary's "botox"?

[ugdude]

15. No. I asked once if she used it. I assume Obama uses it too. They look too young and goodlooking

Im not goodlooking, and I was just wondering. Perhaps you should actually read my threads.

[Clintonista2]

16. So you admit going on about Hillary's "botox"?

Did you, or did you not mention botox?

[jackson_dem]

17. Because I don't hate him

This thread isn't anti-Obama. It is pro-sense. It is dumb to whine about Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton and then vote for a two nation dynasty. Let's compare them on the issues. What a novel concept!

I am going because I like to hear what candidates have to say. Who knows? Perhaps I will come away an Obama supporter.

Clinton paid me to support Edwards! She is quite clever! :rofl:

[Clintonista2]

10. An elected dynasty? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of a "dynasty"?

[BringBigDogBack]

21. I don't think that's very dumb...

I'm so sick of both I could puke. What the fuck is wrong with some new blood? We aren't a monarchy

[jackson_dem]

23. Having one family run two countries isn't a dynasty?

That is much more impressive than two families running one country.

[BringBigDogBack]

25. This is the funniest shit I've seen you

try to argue in at least a few weeks.

Keep going

Neither one of them has even taken office... Fuckin dynasty, man.... trippie

The others? Well, they've had more than enough.

[jackson_dem]

26. Vote against Obama to prevent the Obama dynasty from sweeping two countries!

That would be the anti-dynasty thing to do if you think a family running two countries is worse than two families running one country.

[BringBigDogBack]

28. rofl!!

:rofl:

Broken record. :toast:

[Dogmudgeon]

9. Roosevelt? Adams? Not exactly bad examples.

It's just as ridiculous to reject a person based on their family as it is to reject a person based on their ethnicity or race. The issue of the Kennedy dynasty, for instance, has been swept under the rug, too.

Oh, well ... it's a political campaign. Anything to win, I guess.

--p!

[jackson_dem]

20. Yup

Some folks are confused about what I meant. I am against the idea of voting against someone because of the dynasty issue. Vote the real issues!

[newmajority]

22. WHAT Kennedy dynasty?

Only one Kennedy has been President, and he didn't even get to finish one term. His brother tried to get the job, and would have, but he was also murdered.

By who?

Hint.... One of the guys in this picture had something to do with it.

[jackson_dem]

24. The height of the Kennedy dynasty

At its peak the Kennedy's accounted for the two most powerful folks in the most powerful country in the world plus had a family member in the Senate from an important state. That certainly qualifies as a dynasty!

[newmajority]

29. They got less than three years. The bastard who killed them has had almost 30

Yeah, that's fair.

[jackson_dem]

31. I didn't say it was fair

I just said at its peak the Kennedy dynasty was the most powerful ever. They had the top two spots, with RFK being the real second most powerful man in Washington, and also had Ted in the Senate from an important state. The Bushes are a close second with Shrub in the Oval Office and Jeb running an important state as governor at the same time.

[BringBigDogBack]

30. 'dominating'?

god this is pathetic.

[cooolandrew]

32. That is a liitle far reaching isn't it. Howard Dean is related to Mary queen of scots too...

...The point for young peole is they have never known a choice outside these two famalies and they want genuine change.

[blogslut]

33. weak

I have 17 first cousins and I while I know them all personally, some of them I have not seen or spoken to in decades. Relations don't make a dynasty. There has to be a concerted effort. You have no proof that Obama has reached out to this man nor do you have proof this man is even the Senator's first cousin. All you have is a wild supposition.

[cali]

34. That's just loony as all get out. Talk about contorting yourself

and twisting reality.

If you actually believe this, you really need help.