Hillary is a hawk and a warmonger....

[boston bean]

jesus christ, look at the one you support, he's ready to put troops in pakistan. I haven't heard Hillary say that.

Can you people stop with these tactics, they are a miserable failure.

[JackORoses]

1. she wasn't even a hippie back then

She voted for War in Iraq.

She voted to declare Iranians Terrorists.

She is no friend of Peace.

[ErnestoG]

5. She was a Goldwater Girl for fuck sakes.

[Alexander]

7. And then she got more conservative.

[CyberPieHole]

9. And Obama smoked pot and snorted COCAINE...Zeus knows what he might do?!

[Alexander]

11. At least Obama admitted that he inhaled.

Unlike a certain Team Clinton member.

And Hillary must be smoking crack to have voted for Kyl-Lieberman. What was she thinking?

[ErnestoG]

27. Yeah you've parroted that triviality in several threads so far. We heard you.

[Webster Green]

38. Big deal!.....I hope he's tried a little acid too!

Maybe he smoked the coke, maybe he shot it up. Hope he caught a nice buzz!

Big fucking deal!:smoke:

[Tom Rinaldo]

28. She campaigned for Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern for fuck sakes n/t

[dailykoff]

32. Before or after working the 1968 REPUBLICAN national convention?

[Tom Rinaldo]

39. You can read more about it if you want

But she liked McCarthy's anti-war message. Obama supporters now are proud whenever a moderate Republican like Susan Eisenhower comes out for Obama. Hillary was talked into attending the National Republican Convention in 1968 by a liberal Republican Congressman her familyu knew (yes NY used to have those - John Lindsy was one before he became Mayor of NYC) hoping to get her to support Nelson Rockerfella who back then was thought to be fairly liberal himself. In 1964 he battled Goldwater's forces in fact spawning the term "Rockerfella Republicans". Hillary Clinton left the Convention however dismayed by the hatred and elements of racism being displayed by the Right wing forces arrayed against Rockerfella (Nixon ended up with the nomination of course).

By the end of her Freshman year in College Hillary (after working for liberal causes on campus) left the Republican Party for good. She was a field organizer for George McGovern, and later served as a legal counsel for a U.S. House of Representatives committee working to impeach Richard Nixon.

[dailykoff]

42. The GOP convention was in her senior year, after the Gerald Ford internship.

Her mythical "conversion" happened after she was out of college.

[Tom Rinaldo]

43. I wrote from memory and got a detail or two wrong but

The gist of what I wrote was correct. Here is the Wikipedia Bio for her college years:

College
In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College, where she majored in political science.<16> She served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans organization during her freshman year.<17><18> However, due to her evolving views regarding the American Civil Rights Movement and the Vietnam War, she stepped down from that position;<17> she characterized her own nature as that of "a mind conservative and a heart liberal."<19> In her junior year, Rodham was affected by the death of Martin Luther King, Jr.,<8> and became a supporter of the anti-war presidential nomination campaign of Democrat Eugene McCarthy.<20> Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students for moderate changes, such as recruiting more black students and faculty.<21> In that same year she was elected president of the Wellesley College Government Association.<22><23> She attended the "Wellesley in Washington" summer program at the urging of Professor Alan Schechter, who assigned Rodham to intern at the House Republican Conference so she could better understand her changing political views.<21> Rodham was invited by Representative Charles Goodell, a moderate New York Republican, to help Governor Nelson Rockefeller’s late-entry campaign for the Republican nomination.<21> Rodham attended the 1968 Republican National Convention in Miami, where she decided to leave the Republican Party for good; she was upset over how Richard Nixon's campaign had portrayed Rockefeller and what Rodham perceived as the "veiled" racist messages of the convention.<21>

Rodham returned to Wellesley, and wrote her senior thesis about the tactics of radical community organizer Saul Alinsky under Professor Schechter (which, years later while she was first lady, was suppressed at the request of the White House and became the subject of speculation as to its contents).<24> In 1969, Rodham graduated with departmental honors in political science. Stemming from the demands of some students,<25> she became the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address.<23> According to reports by the Associated Press, her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.<26><27> She was featured in an article published in Life magazine, due to the response to a part of her speech that criticized Senator Edward Brooke, who had spoken before her at the commencement;<8> she also appeared on Irv Kupcinet's nationally-syndicated television talk show as well as in Illinois and New England newspapers.<28> That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthy conditions).<29><30>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

[BootinUp]

34. lol

Im just laughing cause you dropped an f bomb.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. He wants to go after Al Qaeda. nt

[ErnestoG]

6. ...while Hillary wants to enable stupid wars based on lies.

[CyberPieHole]

12. And Barack H. Obama wants to bomb Pakistan...

Hopefully he won't have an "OOOps" moment and press the wrong button.:evilgrin:

[Jed Dilligan]

24. What a terrible idea...

Dropping bombs where our enemies actually are! For shame!

[ErnestoG]

29. Whereas Hillary enabled a REAL WAR

[Webster Green]

41. Links please!

Is this still the Internets?:shrug:

"He wants to bomb Pakistan"?

[Metric System]

13. While BHO is in front of a mirror practicing his lines (for his speech, I mean)

[CyberPieHole]

23. LOL...

:evilgrin:

[boston bean]

8. Fighting terrorism with troops is a failure, have you not learned that, has he not?

[sandnsea]

14. She's keeping troops in Iraq

in case she has to fight the Iranian National Guard who she declared a terrorist organization.

I'd love to get the blinders you people are wearing and hand them out everywhere I go so people will think I'm Jackie O.

Good lord.

[boston bean]

17. NO, she says she will bring them home, just like your guy! Same plan, same votes. nt

[sandnsea]

20. After 4 years of supporting the war

sorry if I don't believe her election year conversion. Especially in consideration of Kyl-Lieberman which is just more of the same saber rattling that got us into Iraq.

[boston bean]

22. I don't care who you vote for, but I am gonna give the facts.

Obama is no better than Hillary on the IW.

And he doesn't even have the fortitude to make a difficult vote on the KL resolution and you are ready to hold him up to the heavens because he made a speech against the IWR when he wasn't even in the Senate and there was nothing for him to lose. Give me a break.

[HughMoran]

19. Mmmmm, Al Qaeda burgers

Best when cooked over an open fire :D

[CyberPieHole]

3. Zeus, you scared me there for a minute...I thought you had jumped over to side with the enemy...

I'm glad I was wrong.

:kick: and recommend

[boston bean]

4. Never my friend, never! Hillary is the best choice! I know it! nt

[sandnsea]

10. Another Clinton LIE

all you guys have done since day one is tell lies about Obama. Daily. One lie after another. It's been the most stunning thing about this entire primary.

[boston bean]

15. That sandnsea is not a lie. Your post is a lie. He is open to putting

troops in pakistan.

look it up or pay a little more attention.

[sandnsea]

18. No, it's a goddamn lie

He never said he was going to put troops into Pakistan. He said he would go after high value terrorist targets if we had actionable intelligence. Big goddamn difference. I've never been more disgusted with how low people will go in this world. No ethics whatsoever. For what? The Clintons??? 8 years of corruption and lies and scandal and policies that led to the economic destruction we're in now?? It's just stupid.

[boston bean]

21. How's he gonna get high value targets, IN PAKISTAN, in another country

he has no right to go into.

You sound like you agree with the Bush doctrine of pre-emption.

And his and hillary's plan on troop draw down are the same, deal with it.

[sandnsea]

25. The exact same way ANY President would

Nobody said invade except the Clinton Liars. You should have your own swift boat designation. Disgusting.

Who knows what Hillary's Iraq plan is, she changes it every time the polls change. Deal with that.

[boston bean]

26. Bullshit!

[sandnsea]

33. It's right here in her own words

There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm’s way, that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm. And I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I’ve followed for more than a decade. If he were serious about disarming, he would have been much more forthcoming. . . . I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information, intelligence that I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, trying to discount the political or other factors that I didn’t believe should be in any way part of this decision.
Hillary addresses Code Pink, March 7, 2003.

Tonight, the President gave Saddam Hussein one last chance to avoid war, and the world hopes that Saddam Hussein will finally hear this ultimatum, understand the severity of those words, and act accordingly. While we wish there were more international support for the effort to disarm Saddam Hussein, at this critical juncture it is important for all of us to come together in support of our troops and pray that, if war does occur, this mission is accomplished swiftly and decisively with minimum loss of life and civilian casualties.
March 17 2003 (Invasion)
We are in a two-front war. We are offense in Iraq and we have to finish the job
March 19 2003

“We must stay the course” in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and asked for more troops to finish the job.
“We have to exert all of our efforts militarily”
November 29, 2003 Hilary visits the troops In Iraq and Afghanistan

I am both a little optimistic and a little pessimistic, but what I'm trying to do is be realistic about where we are and what we need to be successful. We have no option but to stay involved and committed.
Dec 15, 2003 Speech to CFR

"The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration," she said. "It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared.
"But I think that in the case of the administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take place when a serious decision occurs like that." (They believed it, but her people didn't??)
April 2004 Larry King

It's regrettable that the security needs have increased so much. On the other hand, I think you can look at the country as a whole and see that there are many parts of Iraq that are functioning quite well," Clinton said.
It is time for the President to stop serving up platitudes and present us with a plan for finishing this war with success and honor – not a rigid timetable that terrorists can exploit, but a public plan for winning and concluding the war.
Nov 2005 Letter To Constituents

nor do I think it is smart strategy to set a date certain.
June 2006 TBA

"Now it's time to say the redeployment should start in 90 days or the Congress will revoke authorization for this war,"
Feb 2007

[boston bean]

35. I could give you quotes where obama basically says the same things.

you just don't want to see it. You seem smart enough, look into it and then you may seem less hypocritical to me.

[sandnsea]

40. No, he consistently called for ending the war

There was never any "stay the course" crap coming from him.


"There is no military solution in Iraq. Only Iraq’s leaders can settle the grievances at the heart of Iraq’s civil war. We must apply pressure on them to act, and our best leverage is reducing our troop presence. And we must also do the hard and sustained diplomatic work in the region on behalf of peace and stability.

In ending the war, we must act with more wisdom than we started it. That is why my plan would maintain sufficient forces in the region to target al Qaeda within Iraq. But we must recognize that al Qaeda is not the primary source of violence in Iraq, and has little support – not from Shia and Kurds who al Qaeda has targeted, or Sunni tribes hostile to foreigners. On the contrary, al Qaeda’s appeal within Iraq is enhanced by our troop presence.

Ending the war will help isolate al Qaeda and give Iraqis the incentive and opportunity to take them out. It will also allow us to direct badly needed resources to Afghanistan. Our troops have fought valiantly there, but Iraq has deprived them of the support they need—and deserve. As a result, parts of Afghanistan are falling into the hands of the Taliban, and a mix of terrorism, drugs, and corruption threatens to overwhelm the country."

http://www.cfr.org/publication/13974/obamas_speech_at_woodrow_wilson_center.html

[ErnestoG]

30. The Hillars have gone off the scale with their hysterical lies....

really. I have never seen the equal of this back and forth and I've been involved in rough and tumble politics for many years. Its very bizarre.

[boston bean]

31. you people are in denial. and liar is best you can come up with.

[dailykoff]

37. On this particular point especially.

Pure Orwellian doublespeak.

[MadHound]

16. Frankly at this point I'm unsure of whom I'm going to support

I suppose I'll figure that out by Tuesday.

However I do know that Hillary, by her votes on the IWR, funding the war, and signing Kyle/Lieberman has indeed shown very hawkish tendencies. Therefore, in fine d(D)emocratic tradition, I will hold her accountable at the voting booth. Deal with it.

[DesertRat]

36. Great picture! n/t