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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:47 PM
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Hillary does not deserve your vote if you ever opposed this illegal war and occupation!!!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 02:22 PM by Nimrod2005
People died, costs are overwhelming = She IS an enabler!

THE WAR DOES MATTER!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:53 PM
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1. Obama does not deserve our vote if he really wants to do more than raise/end the Soc Sec wage cap
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:02 PM
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11. what you're saying makes no sense
Obama does want to end the cap, which is a good thing. Why should Warren Buffet and Bill Gates only pay taxes on 97,500 of their income?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:19 PM
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17. I have no problem with ending the cap-but the Obama context is"fix w/ nothing off the table inc cuts
in benefits
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:53 PM
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2. Agreed.
I'm against the war. Always have been. I won't vote for Clinton.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:54 PM
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3. I will not reward with my vote anyone that gave Junior the IWR blank check.
Period.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:12 PM
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13. So that means you are sitting out the General election?
So sad.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:55 PM
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4. Agree 100%.
n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:56 PM
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5. Four Years of War Support
The IWR vote is the least of Hillary's problems on the Iraq War. If you believe anything she says after her record, then you're a lot more trusting person than I am.

There is a very easy way to prevent anyone from being put into harm’s way, that is for Saddam Hussein to disarm. And I have absolutely no belief that he will. I have to say that this is something I’ve followed for more than a decade. If he were serious about disarming, he would have been much more forthcoming. . . . I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information, intelligence that I had available, talking with people whose opinions I trusted, trying to discount the political or other factors that I didn’t believe should be in any way part of this decision.
Hillary addresses Code Pink, March 7, 2003.

Tonight, the President gave Saddam Hussein one last chance to avoid war, and the world hopes that Saddam Hussein will finally hear this ultimatum, understand the severity of those words, and act accordingly. While we wish there were more international support for the effort to disarm Saddam Hussein, at this critical juncture it is important for all of us to come together in support of our troops and pray that, if war does occur, this mission is accomplished swiftly and decisively with minimum loss of life and civilian casualties.
March 17 2003 (Invasion)
We are in a two-front war. We are offense in Iraq and we have to finish the job
March 19 2003

“We must stay the course” in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and asked for more troops to finish the job.
“We have to exert all of our efforts militarily”
November 29, 2003 Hilary visits the troops In Iraq and Afghanistan

I am both a little optimistic and a little pessimistic, but what I'm trying to do is be realistic about where we are and what we need to be successful. We have no option but to stay involved and committed.
Dec 15, 2003 Speech to CFR

"The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration," she said. "It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared.
"But I think that in the case of the administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take place when a serious decision occurs like that." (They believed it, but her people didn't??)
April 2004 Larry King

It's regrettable that the security needs have increased so much. On the other hand, I think you can look at the country as a whole and see that there are many parts of Iraq that are functioning quite well," Clinton said.
It is time for the President to stop serving up platitudes and present us with a plan for finishing this war with success and honor – not a rigid timetable that terrorists can exploit, but a public plan for winning and concluding the war.
Nov 2005 Letter To Constituents

nor do I think it is smart strategy to set a date certain.
June 2006 TBA

"Now it's time to say the redeployment should start in 90 days or the Congress will revoke authorization for this war,"
Feb 2007

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:56 PM
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6. so is Obama
by that standard.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:58 PM
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7. That's been my thought since 2002
But, like Kerry/Edwards, I will support her in the GE if nominated
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:58 PM
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8. absolutely solid on this one.
no way i can support anyone who was as foolish or as complicit to follow that * idiot into the fracas.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 01:59 PM
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9. You can say that with a straight face?
In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against. Just last week, in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, Obama conceded that his position on the war is not the "polar opposite" of Clinton's.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:53 PM
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20. Hillary MUST be held responsible! YES!
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:49 PM
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31. Don't expect an anwser on that.
Sshhh...giant obabmabots sleeping.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:01 PM
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10. Obama has voted with Clinton on every Iraq War vote - except the MoveOn/Petraeus one he ducked.
He too, is an enabler.
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:07 PM
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12. It is time to get over the vote thing
Now is the Iraq problem and how to end it is now
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:16 PM
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16. It matters because it tells us a great deal about how they think about foreign policy
Hillary has bought into the politics of fear, while Obama and Edwards rejected it outright. Hillary continues to play up her "strength" and her unwillingness to sit down and talk with our enemies. Hillary might get us out of Iraq, but I'm worried about what war she'll get us into after that.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:26 PM
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18. We will hit 4000 American deaths soon! Is it just a number? 1,000,000 Iraqis DEAD!
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 02:26 PM by Nimrod2005
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:12 PM
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14. I opposed the war from the beginning and Hillary still gets my vote.
I'm not a one issue person. Of my priorities, Hillary is just a bit closer to them than Obama.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 02:13 PM
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15. Yeah..she could have taken a REAL stand and voted Present.
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AlFromDem Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:23 PM
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26. LMAO!
Who supported DOMA?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:46 PM
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19. delete
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 03:46 PM by in_cog_ni_to
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:23 PM
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21. ultimatly they are both the same
They vote the same, their plans are the same. I'm voting for obama simply because I am tired fo the clintons and hillary will be beaten in the general. Obama is the only hope, we need change not more of the same.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 PM
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23. You know that's bullshit...She lies, now you want to lie to cover for her? From the Dick Cheney
school of politics?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:25 PM
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22. She's not getting it. Neither is Obama.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:22 PM
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25. Who will you vote for?
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:30 PM
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24. On behalf of our dead soldiers and wounded soldiers, I can not vote for her
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:24 PM
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27. I could support her if she would just be honest. Something the Clinton's seem incapable of.
GoBama!
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 02:28 PM
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28. This the defining issue of our time the illegal Iraq war will inform
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 02:29 PM by Big Blue Marble
my decision not to vote for Hillary Clinton more than any other.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:33 PM
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29. OK, write in Kucinich. Obama is no better than hillary on the war. and i voted Nader in 2004 becaus
i voted nader in 2004 because of Kerry's IWR vote, but i'm sorry, obama is no alternative to hillary on this issue.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:43 PM
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30. And she won't get it.
Of course, neither will Obama, and his record is no cleaner than hers on the Iraq war.
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