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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:08 PM
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why would such a liberal senator as Obama want to nominate moderates to be judges?
Something is amiss on the Mount of Olives.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:11 PM
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1. Do you have a quote you'd like to share?
Perhaps a link?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:15 PM
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7. If you're serious...
"Because federal judges receive lifetime appointments and often serve through terms of multiple presidents, it behooves a president - and benefits our democracy - to find moderate nominees who can garner some measure of bipartisan support."

From Audacity of Hope
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:16 PM
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10. if you were serious you wouldn't have included "mount of olives". Like a 5th grader name calling
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:17 PM
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13. I meant serious in how the heck could you not know. nt.
except most Obamatons don't.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:23 PM
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20. Why the name-calling?
What purpose does it serve?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:24 PM
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22. what name calling? nt.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:25 PM
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24. Obamaton
What does that even mean? What is the point?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:27 PM
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26. its like Hillbot...or Clintonite. nt.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:29 PM
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29. I think those are stupid too
Again, what purpose do any of those names serve?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:30 PM
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31. to get people to really whine hard. nt.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:32 PM
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33. Who is whining?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:32 PM
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34. Obamatons. nt.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:40 PM
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35. Oh, I see.
I thought I was talking to an adult. Never mind.
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:22 PM
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I was serious. Thank you.
I have another question though. Would you be willing to acknowlege that there is a difference between Obama's conception of a moderate and a republican's conception of a moderate?



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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:25 PM
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25. Seems like he answered it - "Garner some measure of bipartisan support".
Obama just doesn't want his nominees to get Borked.

Of course, the usual Shillbots need to make a mountain out of a molehill.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:22 PM
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19. I do!
OBAMA wants to appoint judges empathetic to those being Poor, Old, Gay, Women, Disabled
and minorities.


Speaking at the Planned Parenthood conference in DC this afternoon, Barack Obama leveled harsh words at conservative Supreme Court justices, and he offered his own intention to appoint justices with "empathy." Obama hinted that the court's recent decision in Gonzales v. Carhart -- which upheld a ban on partial-birth abortion -- was part of "a concerted effort to steadily roll back" access to abortions. And he ridiculed Justice Anthony Kennedy, who wrote that case's majority opinion. "Justice Kennedy knows many things," he declared, "but my understanding is that he does not know how to be a doctor."

Obama also won a laugh at the expense of Chief Justice John Roberts, saying that judgments of Roberts' character during his confirmation hearings were largely superficial. "He loves his wife. He's good to his dog," he joked, adding that judicial philosophy should be weighted more seriously than such evaluations. "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx

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Obama opposes Southwick judicial nomination.
WASHINGTON--The Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday votes on a very controversial judicial nominee, Leslie Southwick, a former Mississippi state court appeals judge. According to the Alliance for Justice, Southwick is " hostile to worker, consumer and civil rights.''
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/06/obama_to_oppose_southwick_nomi.html

Obama is not scary, just disappointing. Regarding a matter more serious than vegetables -- a judicial confirmation -- he looks like just another liberal on a leash.
<>
Obama, touching all the Democratic nominating electorate's erogenous zones, concocts a tortured statistic about Southwick's "disappointing record on cases involving consumers, employees, racial minorities, women and gays and lesbians. After reviewing his 7,000 opinions, Judge Southwick could not find one case in which he sided with a civil rights plaintiff in a non-unanimous verdict." Surely the pertinent question is whether Southwick sided with the law.

To some of Southwick's opponents, his merits are irrelevant. They simply say that it is unacceptable that only one of the 17 seats on the 5th Circuit is filled with an African American, although 37 percent of Mississippians are black. This "diversity" argument suggests that courts should be considered representative institutions, like legislatures, and that the theory of categorical representation is valid: People of a particular race, ethnicity or gender can only be understood and properly represented by people of the same category.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070813/ai_n19476124

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WASHINGTON -- Democratic Sens. Dick Durbin and Barack Obama of Illinois met Friday with the head of the U.S. Marshals Service to voice frustration over what they call a lack of progress in establishing new safety measures to protect federal judges.
<>
The Illinois senators expressed their concerns Friday to John Clark, the acting director of the U.S. Marshals Service. Clark, who recently had a meeting in Chicago with Lefkow and more than 20 other judges about security issues, vowed to resolve the matter.

Obama said he and Durbin told Clark to give them "an immediate written update" for how and when the security systems would be installed.

Don Hines, a spokesman for the U.S. Marshals Service, said officials would meet with the security company next week. "We expect the installations to begin in the near future," he said.
http://obama.senate.gov/news/051217-senators_press/





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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:43 PM
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37. There you go again.
Posting all that substance. Don't you know we're just supposed to cherry-pick quotes out of context and draw our conclusions from that?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:12 PM
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2. Because he's not a liberal?
He IS a moderate, so OF COURSE he'll choose moderate judges.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:13 PM
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3. I wonder if he'll confer with John Kerry? Ooops John is busy...
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:14 PM
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5. dude, you're evil. nt.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:15 PM
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8. Yea I know
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:18 PM
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15. So, John Kerry is an expert marksman and windsurfer, and hockey player, and pilot,
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 05:25 PM by blm
and motorcyclist, cyclist, horseman and skier.

He has also saved more lives through his sheer physical exertion than most of his detractors put together.

He also kept the fascist agenda at bay more than any one lawmaker of the last 30 years.

Is THAT why you dog him? Do you side with the wing of the Democratic party still angry that Kerry uncovered IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:19 PM
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17. Kerry rides motorcycles? He just went up a notch in my book. Dirt bikes? nt.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:24 PM
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21. Harley and BMW - he has since he was a teenager.
He's also a stunt pilot. And that hunting pic that media sez was faked, Kerry's hunted since he was 11 and is an EXPERT marksman.

The media needed Bush protected for the rulings they were promised. THAT is why a bunch of dumbasses now believe the spin used against Kerry.

The truth is - this country would have been a full on fascist hellhole by the mid90s if you took John Kerry out of the last 35 years.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:28 PM
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41. Well for one thing, I don't like how he back-stabbed
Edwards.

And secondly, he ran a horrid campaign in 04.

Did you really not look at this photo op picture of him with the shotgun and say, "oh please."

He just irritates me.

I like him as a Democrat, but everyone has family members who irritate them.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:43 PM
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44. He never backstabbed Edwards. Edwards sat down with McAuliffe and let him
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 06:44 PM by blm
start the meme against Kerry that he wouldn't fight back.

Edwards knew they did but the corpmedia downplayed all their counters and message, just as they did again to Edwards on his own.

Kerry won in 2004. Had the DNC bothered to secure the election process after 2000s theft, he would've won by about 5%.

The RNC stole that election for Bush. Did you complain that DNC sat on their hands for four years and LET the RNC gain control of every level of the election process where the votes are allowed, cast and counted?

Kerry won his matchups against Bush.

DNC rolled over for the RNC.

Left media was CRUSHED by the RW media machine.

But it all turned it into Kerry's fault.

BTW - who does Carville work for?

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

Why was Bill Clinton on a three week book tour in summer 2004 publicly defending Bush at nearly every interview?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:13 PM
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4. Why would you think Obama is Liberal.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 05:13 PM by RC
He is almost as far right as Hilary, almost.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:17 PM
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11. Let's see: because he has a liberal voting record
in both the U.S. Senate and the Illinois Senate, because he has a history of working for liberal and progressive causes and because such people as George Lakoff and Pat Leahy and 11 of the most progressive members of the House think he's a liberal/progressive. Other than that, nothing at all. duh.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:14 PM
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6. Because no dem presidential candidate in their right mind would ever, ever say
publically that they're going to nominate liberal judges. Find me the quote where Hill says she'll nominate liberals.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:15 PM
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9. so he lied? why say anything? why write it in his book? nt.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:21 PM
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18. Why is that a lie? He hasn't been elected yet
and if he is, he can always nominate people like Breyer and Ginsberg who ARE considered moderates by anyone who knows anything. He can even nominate people to the left of them and still claim they're moderates. It's just a ridiculous thing to try and make an issue of, but have fun. bye bye.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:17 PM
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12. Maybe because he's not a Liberal
Anymore than Hillary Clinton is. At least economicly.

Because you are to the left of Republicans on social issues does not mean you are a Liberal. As a matter of fact, folks on the left who really know their stuff realize that the economical is the social. With that said, those two do not differ much than the Republicans.

Just as Ron Paul's faux war stance while ignoring that capitalistic motivations that led us to this war.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:18 PM
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14. to throw repigs off, but apparently it's throwing you off too
:spank:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:19 PM
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16. so...how much of his book is a lie? nt.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:25 PM
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23. Well first you have to find out what his definition of "moderate" is
It differs for each of us. I'm moderate compared to some people on this site, but I'm far more liberal than most Americans. It's all relative.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:27 PM
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27. someone that Republicans can agree on too. nt
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:28 PM
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28. how much of what You say here is a lie. Who are you? What is Your name?
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 05:29 PM by magatte
At least he stands publicly by what he says. You are just an anonymous attack-dog on an internet site.
You keep writing such loaded questions as "so...how much of his book is a lie?"
This is Rovian poison that doesn`t belong here. You dark-souled individual.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:31 PM
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32. I'm Joe Momma...from Indiana. nt.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:29 PM
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30. His point, as I read it, is that you need bipartisan support to get judges confirmed
There was a concerted effort to downplay how conservative roberts and alito really were in order to get them through confirmation. Well, that's how the game will be played when the Democrats are nominating judges -- they'll pick liberal-minded judges but downplay that characterization.

Now, if you have a big enough majority in the senate, which one day I hope we have, you don't have to worry about bipartisanship so much.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:41 PM
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36. That's why Bill Clinton let Orrin Hatch give him lists of judges they would confirm
and Clinton would choose from that list.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:07 PM
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38. well, if Orrin picked Ruth Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, good for ol' orrin
and the ninth circuit, which is the most liberal Circuit in the nation, has 14 Clinton appointees, so kudos to ol' orrin for that, too.

BY the way, you have a link for your assertion?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:13 PM
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39. Ginsburg, Breyer were in 93 and 94 BEFORE GOP controlled Senate and Congress.
And here's a link for you

http://hnn.us/articles/13357.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:15 PM
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40. I'd agree .
I think moderate judges are fine. I assume Senator Clinton would also nominate moderate judges, and I'd think that is a good thing.
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557188 Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:40 PM
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43. Disgusting
Thankfully the Clinton family (since Obama supporters think Bill and Hillary are one person) has a proven track record with progressive judges. Ginsberg is awesome.

Hillary would nominate more progressive judges.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:25 PM
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45. clown
Bill Clinton made the first attack on the Great Writ of habeas corpus. What Bush has done is only possible because of Clinton's 1996 law. Get a clue.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:29 PM
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42. Amen
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