I can't BELIEVE this-it looks like the "snub" is being pushed so hard it may have an effect!

[jenmito]

Stupid Chris Matthews was on "Morning Joe" this morning talking about that picture again, and they put it up again, (only the one that looks bad for him) and he said he thinks it WAS a snub, that he believes Hillary when she said she "extended her hand in friendship..." and concluded it may help her big-time, just like her "tearing up" did in NH. And I think he's right. They talked about it on The View and Whoopie Goldberg accused Obama of "putting his boot on her neck" right after he got Kennedy's endorsement, saying he should've been "bigger than that," and "gracious in victory." :eyes: I REALLY hope he addresses this trivial BS in the debate tonight, even pointing out that if she was "extending her hand in friendship" to HIM, why was KENNEDY the one who "intercepted" that handshake???!

[Blue_State_Elitist]

1. I have no idea what actually happened.

But this is the kind of bullshit that we will have to deal with in the general. If Obama can overcome these kind of things, it makes him look like a much stronger competitor in the general.

[jenmito]

3. MY problem is they keep showing that ONE picture when we KNOW they have other "exculpatory" pics.

They showed it once on CNN-the one with him talking to McCaskill. How can he overcome the media siding with Hillary, saying they believe her, while saying, "Who are you going to believe-you or your lying eyes?" :eyes:

[Blue_State_Elitist]

10. They probably should show the other pictures

and I won't defend Chris Matthews. The media swings back and forth. It has been very pro-Obama for a while and seems to be swinging back to Hillary. We'll see what happens.

[jenmito]

21. If they did, it would at LEAST allow people to decide for themselves.

This is hurting him with women, and that's the last thing he needs.

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. Sure they "should"

But then they would probably show other photos taken at about the same time that show Obama looking at and/or toward Clinton with what seems to be a derisive expression on his face as well. And they would recycle the various eye witness accounts that were written of the encounter along with all the photos. It would not put "the controversy" to bed, it would just extend it longer.

Folks should be careful of what they ask for.

[Skwmom]

60. Well the woman senator has an utter look of disgust on her face

when looking at Clinton (and I can understand why). She is a "real piece of work."

[RaleighNCDUer]

70. Oh, so you've seen those pictures?

Or are you just making shit up?

I thought that was a freeze frame from a video - where is the whole video sequence? Wouldn't that be MUCH more impactful to show him looking at her, her start to reach out, than him turning his back on her?

We haven't seen it because it doesn't exist.

[jenmito]

71. Um, yes, I've seen them. They were posted here and I emailed them to MSNBC.

So no, I'm not making ANYTHING up.

[RaleighNCDUer]

83. Actually, my response was to the OTHER poster -

not to you, who I believe. I think that if the series or video showed him snubbing her, we'd be seeing the entire series or video. The fact that we only see that one shot argues that the other pictures support him.

[jenmito]

86. Oops. Sorry 'bout that!

Stuff happens. :hi:

[beachmom]

52. They're not siding with Hillary; they're siding with conflict.

They like that story and want to push it.

I agree that he will need to address it at the debate.

[NCarolinawoman]

125. You got that right, beachmom.

Anything that perpetuates an on-going
soap opera with lots of conflict, is what the media lives for. This is yet another reality show for them.

When this dies down, the media will be poking a stick into something else to stir up the drama level.

[GoldieAZ49]

80. Video on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6qv9Caqxo

[jenmito]

84. So he didn't snub her. He didn't reject her outstretched hand. She lied.

Thank you. :hi:

[Vektor]

112. It looks to me like she was greeting Ted Kennedy.

And yes Obama turns away, but does that mean he was trying to be rude? It may very well not. In light of the recent endorsement of Kennedy for Obama, perhaps Obama wanted to give Hillary and Kennedy a chance to talk without hovering.

I try to put myself in other peoples' shoes when aseessing a situation, and I cannot help but think that if I were Barack Obama, and I saw Clinton approaching Kennedy, I'd give them an opportunity to speak privately.

I'm not all gung-ho about any one candidate, so I'm not trying to pander for anyone, but my sincere assessment is that it looks like Clinton was reaching out to shake Kennedy's hand, and that Obama quietly excused himself, though rudely or snidely, he just went elsewhere.

It did not look controversial at all to me, and hardly warrants this level of media coverage.

Candidates aren't required to fawn all over each other and posture for the camera together every second. They have a right to engage in personal conversations with other people, without a media circus ensuing.

[jenmito]

120. That's right. And on MSNBC, Contessa Brewer just said Hillary went to shake OBAMA'S hand and he

turned his back on her! :eyes: How convenient, then, that Ted Kennedy just HAPPENED to be there to catch her rebuffed hand.

[Vektor]

135. I just don't see it the way they are trying to paint it.

My honest and unbiased assessment - and anyone on DU can look at my post history and see that I have neither bashed nor supported any candidate; I'm part of the "I like most Dems, I'll support the nominee" crowd - is that she was greeting TK, and TK was responding to her greeting.

I think it was a leap on the media's part to try to even suggest that the whole exchange had anything to do with Obama.

But that's what the rabble rousing MSM does best. Stir the pot, and make shit up.

[jenmito]

139. Good assessment.

I agree. :hi:

[Vektor]

141. Thanks!

Now if only the media would move on to something meaningful.

Naw, that's too much to ask. :-)

[Vektor]

140. Self Delete

Accidently responded to MYSELF.

(Like a dumb-ass.)

[Vektor]

110. Agree - there's a million possible explanations for what occurred.

And there is a good possibility there was no deliberate snub. She may have been greeting Ted Kennedy while Obama was turning to engage in conversation with someone else. It was a big, noisy crowd of people shaking hands and talking, and it was likely a pretty hectic scene. How many times have you been in a big crowd and either tried to get someone's attention, or they yours, and someone just did not hear or notice the other person due to the activity, distractions, and noise? Maybe he did see her, but failed to engage because she was addressing Ted. Who the hell knows?

I am so tired of the media making mountains out of irrelevant molehills. I have no idea what happened, and frankly, I don't much care. I care about the issues and what the candidates plan to do about them, not relentless speculation over whether or not there was a "snub."

[rucky]

2. That would be the more interesting version of the story

so they're going with it.

[jenmito]

6. But SHE really milked it and acted as if she WAS snubbed and I think it's hurting him.

We know many of us emailed the other angles of the same incident to MSNBC last night but they're sticking with that one pic and same side of the story.

[rucky]

12. of course she did!

it was a chickenshit move.

[jenmito]

25. And the media bought it.

I REALLY wish he'd be asked about it, even asking HER about how she could've been extending her hand to HIM when the picture shows she was shaking Kennedy's hand-not aiming for Obama's.

[featherman]

4. Media loves dish...better get used to it

[Tom Rinaldo]

5. I warned you this would "matter"

When I wrote about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4267399

Since then I have made no efforts to "stir the pot". But I knew it wasn't going to just blow over.

[jenmito]

9. I read the title of your thread and yes, I DID know what you meant by "it."

And it's a damn shame.

[OneGrassRoot]

19. Maybe some will start to wake up to the reality of this now?

Let's hope, Tom Rinaldo, and others who see the threat for what it is.

Oy.

[FrenchieCat]

45. It didn't blow over because the blogs made it a big deal.......

Cause everyone knows the priorities in this country.

He's just an uppity negro with a snooty attitude!.......goes with "Black people in this state will vote for him"...."Latinos don't vote Black"...and on and on......all the memes that the Hillary campaign handed to the media.

Really "helps" this country, hey?

I'm really sick of this shit.

Divisive politics is going to kill us one day.

I'm really glad that is not a candidate that I am supporting.

Wes Clark, when he thinks about it, must not be feeling that great about this. I can't imagine that these tactics would have been his choice. :(

[Tom Rinaldo]

53. I am sorry to say

that I am not happy to see you try to inject Clark into it this way. I said above that since I wrote that piece I have not made any effort "to stir the pot" and I haven't, nor would I because of anything an Obama supporter writes. Suffice it to say that I am not convinced of Obama's total "innocence" in this matter because of the 4 photo sequence that his supporters point to. But I said I was ready to move on and I am.

However if it becomes a matter of defending Clark's honor because he gets dragged into this just because he, like RFK Jr and Maxine Waters and many other good Democrats, has endorsed Hillary Clinton for President - it will be harder for me to remain detached. I won't lie here for anyone, not Hillary, not Wes, not anyone. But I don't share all of the things that I feel about everything either. I decided that this campaign is too important for America to be dominated by this particular incident - so I have backed off for now from talking about it further.

[Skwmom]

65. Of course not. Not with the Clinton camp pushing it and the media only to happy

to help them out. But what the heck, when you've voted to send people to war to further your career, I guess you're pretty desperate.

[Clintonista2]

7. If Obama can't handle this, how will he handle the Republican attack machine?

[jenmito]

It's not that he can't handle it. He responded but the media keeps showing that picture and

saying they believe her anyway.

[Clintonista2]

17. Exactly. He doesn't know how to handle this. Sometimes simply "responding" isn't enough

So I ask again, if he can't effectively handle this, how will he handle the Republican machine in november?

[jenmito]

22. What can he do other than respond?

[Clintonista2]

41. Well, the obvious thing to do (apparently not so obvious to Obama) would be to

Personally call on Clinton to either confirm or deny the snub. If she denies that there was a snub (which she probably would do), then the issue is over. If she says that he did snub her, then he could issue a statement questioning whether she's more focused on the snub, or on health care.

Does anybody remember when Gingrich shut down the government, over Bill Clinton's alleged "snub" of him on the plane? The Clinton's responded with statements, photos, etc, and effectively branded Gingrich as an egocentric brat. As Obama has proven with this issue, he will never be as effective as Clinton at responding to things like this, and that is key to winning in November.

[mondo joe]

47. If he wins, I'm going to snicker at his worshippers heads exploding when they

see the GOP take him apart.

To be clear: I won't laugh about being unable to move policy which will be the likely result - but that can't be helped if you elect someone who can't handle the GOP.

[jenmito]

64. We don't worship him. We support him and want him to win.

The GOP would have a harder time taking him apart than taking Hillary apart. Obama won't have to hold back or be afraid of offending other Dems. by daring to speak out against a Clinton.

[mondo joe]

103. If you think the GOP will have a harder time taking the might 0 apart, you are

very naive.

[jenmito]

121. No I'm not. I'd say I have common sense.

[mondo joe]

126. Pure naivete.

0bama is not prepared for the GOP smear machine.

They have already done their worst to Clinton and she knows how to beat them. 0bama meanwhile can barely take the relatively tender competition with Clinton.

[jenmito]

129. Keep thinking that.

Obama is VERY prepared for ANY smear machine, as was proven by his ability to hit back at the CLINTON smear machine. They have decades of stuff to use against the Clintons. If you think they don't have any new info. on them, YOU'RE the purely naive one.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Obama snubbed Hillary.

Just admit it and move on.

[jenmito]

15. He did not. And Hillary lied about it. She was clearly extending her hand to KENNEDY.

Just admit she's a liar and move on.

[1corona4u]

32. Hillary was talking symbolically...

not for that particular night...sheesh...

[jenmito]

35. Riiiight-that was her response to whether or not Obama snubbed her.

Why didn't she just say no then? Sheesh...

[DURHAM D]

46. Hillary does not know Obama's intentions regarding the incident.

Only Obama knows his intention. Hillary is not in a position to know if it is a snub or not.

Therefore she has no need to play Mama and fix it for him.

Jeeeeez.

[jenmito]

67. Hillary said she extended her hand to HIM...or implied it, implying he snubbed her.

If she doesn't know his intentions for turning his back while she was extending her hand to TED, not OBAMA, she shouldn't imply he snubbed her.

Jeeeeez.

[DURHAM D]

73. I feel sorry for you and other Obama supporters who find it necessary

to make like a Pretzel in order to blindly support your candidate.

If Obama becomes President you will be part of the 25% still supporting him no matter what he does - much like the 25% still supporting Bush. We ask all of the time - "What is wrong with those people?"

[jenmito]

78. It's "making a pretzel" by pointing out that she obviously went to shake KENNEDY'S hand

and spun it as reaching for OBAMA'S hand and being rejected? It doesn't take much to confuse you, does it?!

[DURHAM D]

81. Honey - give it up and move on.

You can't fix this. Boorish behavior caught on film - end of story.

[jenmito]

89. Hell no. I won't let Hillary and her supporters use this to make her look like she was being

gracious. She was NOT.

[Lucinda]

88. I think may of had more to do with her agreeing to the request for them to sit together

I just posted to ask...but it was floating around that night that Hillary and Obama were asked to sit together by the Dem leadership at SOTU and that Hillary had agreed, but Obama didn't.

If true, that puts her comment in a different light.

[leftynyc]

98. I hadn't heard that

Is this documented somewhere? If so, Senator Obama is getting what he deserved - she did indeed reach out and he shit on that.

[Lucinda]

107. I posted asking if anyone had confirmation but it sank like a stone

There were posts about it on SOTU night. Supposedly they wanted the two to make a united front against junior. I'll do more digging.

[Lucinda]

111. Here is a blip about it a time.com and one of the du threads

It was discussed on a few of the long threads that night...hard to track down more of them..I'm on dialup.Slooooooow going. :(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4283861&mesg_id=4283861

http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/29/the-snub-before-the-snub/

[leftynyc]

114. That's a very parsed statement

by Axelrod (who I think is a sleaze and don't trust). I thank you for the info.

[Lucinda]

115. Yep

The whole, well....Hillary did ask us nonsense.
I'm still looking. I know there are other souces.

[JackORoses]

116. she didn't reach out to anyone, Kennedy initiated the handshake.

If you had looked at any of the evidence, you would know this.

[Catherine Vincent]

33. It's ironic that the Obama cheerleaders are the ones that won't drop this

You keep talking about pictures, you probably need to watch the video. Purchase it from cspan and you'll get the real picture.

Your guy is the liar that dragged his lackey Claire McCaskel in this as his out. I'll admit that Hillary snubbed Obama last year, why can't you guys admit that Obama snubbed Hillary?

[jenmito]

39. It's the MEDIA that won't drop this!

So now Claire is his "lackey"? :eyes:

[Bake]

55. "Who you going to believe ... me or your lying eyes?"

That's the way the MSM is framing it. Your candidate had better figure out a way to deal with it. This is the Big Leagues. Prime Time -- for which he apparently is not ready.

Bake

[jenmito]

69. He DID deal with it. He said he did NOT snub her and was talking to someone else.

[Bake]

105. But one of his advisers came out the next day with a different story

That gave the whole story a few more days in the news cycle.

Bake

[writes3000]

16. No, he didn't. But Hillary is running with the "victim" status.

I expected more of her quite frankly. To suggest that she was reaching out to shake his hand is really, really disgustingly low of her.

[City Lights]

24. Hillary is a lying opportunist.

Just admit it and move on.

[TankLV]

43. yep. Still trying to defend the indefensible...

just like bama's pandering to homophobic bigots...

[writes3000]

11. It is a sign of fear. Really.

I think most of these people are intellectually smart enough and honest enough to know they are making a slanted, jump-to-conclusions case with this. If they are persisting on pushing this, it's because they are scared of the strides Obama is making.

Clearly, many believed Clinton wouldn't have to face this kind of challenge. Surprise.

[jenmito]

20. But it's working. And they're showing it again right NOW with a "body language" expert.

The expert is saying he's afraid of her.

[writes3000]

28. I don't think it will stick. People can smell shit.

And this is whipped-up, ridiculous shit. I give the majority of the American public enough credit to not fall for this.

It's all about the debate tonight.

[jenmito]

34. I think it already stuck with some people. And they're still talking about it.

People who don't follow politics closely see this and think he's a "sore winner" and will be turned off to him.

[writes3000]

38. I don't agree.

No one I've talked to in the last three days has even mentioned it. But most people I've talked to are very excited about Obama. This is a made-up controversy. The people most riled-up are those who have already made up their minds.

[Bake]

57. That's because the only people you're in contact with

apparently, are fellow Obama supporters. Out in the real world, they're talking about this.

Bake

[writes3000]

66. You're absolutely wrong.

And the fact that you so readily jump to this conclusion shows your bias. I know many Hillary supporters and Obama supporters. Even the Hillary supporters aren't talking about this.

Unless you're a cable news junkie, why would it be on anyone's mind? It's an invented flap. There's no substance to it.

[Bake]

106. Your bias is showing also.

What? Bias in GD/P? Who knew!

I'm just saying from my observation that people in Mississippi are talking about it. Many of them are Republicans who would like nothing more than for the Dems to shoot each other.

Bake

[Irishonly]

48. And it will continue

Remember the Dean scream, the Breck girl, the internet and the list goes on. The media has grabbed on the the 'story' and it isn't going to let it go. The repukes probably have a commercial concept of how they will use it in the general. The more reaction, the more coverage it will get.

[bidenista]

13. he would be an idiot to address it in the debate

If he does that, he'll give it more oxygen. There'll be days more coverage, and it'll turn into a "did he/didn't he" snub her narrative. Even if most 50% conclude he didn't (and seeing as they're only showing /that/ picture at the moment, it'd probably be less), it would still up his negatives and distract from other narratives. Also, it would just be awkward. How would he phrase it? "Hillary, I did not mean to look as though I was refusing your handshake"? "I got distracted"? "You weren't trying to shake hands with me at all, you evil ice queen"?

Best to let his campaign put out a definitive release and then move on.

[jenmito]

29. Matthews seemed to think he'll be ASKED about it in which case he'll have to respond.

IF he's asked about it, he should say the picture and media unfairly portrayed it as a snub when he was already turned and talking to Claire McCaskill.

[bidenista]

36. if he's asked about it

Then that will be proof positive that The Onion had it right.

[jenmito]

75. Sad but true. Thanks for that article.

:hi:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

90. That's what the Kerry campaign thought about the Swift Boaters. nt

[oasis]

14. Snub or not, it was a political blunder on Obama's part. A big one.(eom)

[pampango]

49. Maybe. I am starting to wonder if we are any different than the Bushbots who

are fed symbols and gestures which get them to vote for him, while they are fleeced. If we are swayed by handshakes and snubs, it kind of puts us on the same level as the Bushbots - we're just motivated by different tokens. :shrug:

[oasis]

68. I don't know who was"swayed" by the obvious snub, but I do know

that common courtesy is expected of our leaders. Obama's act caused America to reexamine his true character.

[jenmito]

82. "Obvious snub"? Right.

The obvious snubs are all the times she refused to shake his hand at most of the past debates. This picture was TAKEN as a snub but other pictures make it clear it was not.

[oasis]

104. Oh yes. snub. Do you think he'd try this type of stunt with Maxine Waters who

is a more vociferous member of congress? She'd give him a such verbal smackdown that his head would still be ringing. Barack thought that he can annoy Hillary with impunity.

It backfired. Bigtime.

[jenmito]

122. Um, he DIDN'T "try" ANYTHING with Hillary and wouldn't reject Water's hand, either.

Look at the video and THEN tell me you seriously believe Hillary reached out to shake OBAMA'S hand and not KENNEDY'S hand.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

137. I'm surprised that Kennedy didn't tell him to shake her hand - he's been around...

n/t

[TwilightGardener]

18. The media just wants the story to stay alive. They like the emotions and personal

dynamics between Hillary and Obama--it's interesting in a high-schoolish, voyeuristic way. Meanwhile, Mittens and McCain eviscerate each other onstage, and no one bats an eyelash. I don't think "snubgate" will have any impact--most people assume they don't much care for each other at this point.

[murbley40]

94. There is an old saying.....

"what is good for the goose is good for the gander"; meaning why should he be exempt, the media has been interpreting every move and sound the Clintons make so now it is Obama's turn.

I don't know if he did or not, but it looks like he did.

[jenmito]

96. So it's OK to twist it?

:eyes:

[Barack_America]

23. Well, I'm sure that this is one of the major "issues" that will come up at the debate...

So he'll be able to set the record straight. :eyes:

[Roxy66]

26. I have no doubt that there is FULL video of this exchange...

Are we to believe that the media was not fixed on this moment that night and that there is not one full video of the entire exchange? The camera were following these two the entire night....they wouldnt miss the moment they would meet. I think they are withholding the video to create a BIG story. Slime balls!

[jenmito]

95. There is. See post #60. You're right. n/t

[Coexist]

30. don't worry - Obama will VERY DELIBERATELY shake Clinton's hand at the debate

making light of it. Clinton will have no choice but to smile and play along, and the incident will be history.

[Texas_Kat]

44. Let's hope he doesn't do it with a sneer

[Coexist]

58. that was rude..

in fact, much more rude than the snub.

[Texas_Kat]

59. Apparently the numerous photos of Obama staring at HC with the ...

okay... call it "odd" look ----on his face haven't yet been dissected by the MSM. Knowing the media, it's likely to be the next followup story.

[Coexist]

62. If that is what theyconcentrate on AFTER A ONE ON ONE debate

they are idiots.

[Texas_Kat]

87. Well, yeah, they ARE idiots.

[BeyondGeography]

56. Exactly

[Texas_Kat]

31. Welcome to our world

This is no more or less the same thing they've been doing to Clinton for the last several months. It's part of the MSMs agenda -- to stir shit up. But then, most of the Obama people helped them along handily when it was Clinton getting beat up.

She survived it.... Obama will have to find a way to survive it too.

[Whisp]

37. what a bunch of fucking insane nonsense.

the bodies are piling up everywhere and THIS is what's important.

good fuckin' cripes what a nation of self made dumbasses.

[TankLV]

40. The TRUTH hurts! Sucks to be mean' obama, doesn't it!!!

[demo dutch]

42. Who cares, it's petty stuff! I think we've got bigger issues to worry about!

[City Lights]

50. The "snub" has become Matthews' viagra replacement.

He's going out of way to prove he doesn't "hate" Hillary.

[BeyondGeography]

51. This is media BS, no one is talking about it on the ground

IMHO

[Beacool]

54. Personally, I'm loving it!!!!!

After all the crap that Hillary has taken from the media for years, it's nice that once in a blue moon they come to her defense.


:popcorn:

[Zueda]

61. Relax. People are much smarter than you give them credit for...

Ask yourself this... Has this faux outrage altered your view?

[iantepoot]

76. The problem is the low-information voter...

Most people at DU will see it for what it is. A captured moment in time taken out of context to provide a story. Even the Hillary supporters on here kind of give the "sucks to be you, now you feel our pain about getting the rope-a-dope treatment by MSM" line. Doesn't change opinions.

However, I've been phonebanking, canvassing and listening to "progressive" radio... and some of the reasons people who are only marginally paying attention give for supporting a candidate are, to put it charitably, odd. Often very insubstantial, emotional or irrational.

So I'm worried that THIS CLOSE to Feb 5th, with not a lot of time to counter-lob any MSM spin, meme like this can hurt my candidate. (Disclosure in case you didn't figure it out: Obama supporter). Given that he is chipping away and its getting razor-thin all over the country, even the smallest shift can derail a candidacy here.

[Beausoir]

63. It was childish and petty.

[AtomicKitten]

72. No worries; it's hilarious!

Hillary was interviewed on Nightline last night and flat-out lied about "extending her hand," issued with the stock Clintonian parsing of words. The series of photos that show the nonevent disproved that little bit of BS she's floating around.

I think it is hilarious she's playing the Victim Card, again. That is the antithesis of feminism. Dan Abrams made the "gag me" motion (index finger in mouth and gag) playing one of her Victim soliloquies. I concur.

[writes3000]

74. Damn, I missed the Dan Abrams piece.

Love that she's getting called out for it. I expected more of her.

[AtomicKitten]

99. Funny thing

Dan Abrams is usually embarrassingly pro-Clinton; he reads her propaganda hit pieces from hillaryhub verbatim. So, when Mr. Abrams makes the "gag me" motion in reference to Clinton, you can take it to the bank.

[jenmito]

100. Yeah, but Abrams believed it WAS a snub. He just made the "gag me" signal re: her

response. But he DID believe it was a snub that she milked.

[AtomicKitten]

102. Funny that his guests disagreed with him!

Abrams reads verbatim from the hillaryhub hit list de jour; that was my point. If he does the "gag me" motion, it's 4real.

[jenmito]

136. True...

Sorry I missed your point. :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

138. I'm fired up up and, in fact, ready to go!

[K Gardner]

77. No one is paying attention to this shallow, hyped and manufactured b/s except the political "wonks".

To the everyday voter, it isn't even on the radar. One more bullshit media story that will disappear after the debate tonight, when they find some other crap to push. It is beyond the pale of disgusting.. just wait for the next one.

[GoldieAZ49]

79. Video on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6qv9Caqxo

[DUyellow]

92. Best comment for that video "well thats pointless news, we already knew they dislike each other."

[Raffi Ella]

85. Sorry but this incident is no ones fault but Obamas.

After she shook Kennedys hand she continued for a moment to offer her hand toward Obama and assumed nature would take its course;Obama saw her,knew she was there.It was a mistake for Obama to change the course of that interaction.He knows it now and so do his supporters.Otherwise you wouldn't still be talking about it,worried that it could hurt him.

It was an amateurs mistake to make.Regardless of whether he intentionally snubbed her he opened himself wide open for a critique on his character or lack thereof.It's something Kennedy instinctively knew to do;stand and offer his hand to the opponent.Obama had to know the press was there.Even if only to make himself look gracious and unifying for the sake of the cameras,he should have done what Kennedy did.He did not.

[jenmito]

101. That's a LIE. You just said, despite what the picture AND video shows, that she continued AFTER

shaking Kennedy's hand to "offer her hand toward Obama" but the picture and video clearly shows he was already turned away (talking to Claire McCaskill) before she finished shaking hands with KENNEDY. :eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

108. Correct!

Obama screwed up.

[New Earth]

91. they should talk about it in the debate tonight

out in the open with everyone watching.

[Unsane]

93. Please shoot me in the face.

The media is stealing the election from us.

[Debi]

97. Why is it nobody feels sorry for the man & woman Senator Clinton practically climbed over trying to

'reach her hand out in friendship and unity' to Senator Kennedy...er...Obama?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6qv9Caqxo

And Clinton DID NOT shake THEIR hands x( How rude! Somebody call Charlie Gibson back....we need to interview these folks - NOW!

[napi21]

109. In all fairness, it was handled badly by Barack & his spokesperson.

One story ws that he wanted to give Hillary & Tedd alone time, then another story comes out that Clair had asked him a question. They really should have agreed on an excuse and stuck with it!

[stillcool]

113. I'm wondering how many people...

DU excluded, actually watch and hang on to every opinion voiced by Tweety and company.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

117. Kennedy should have known better. It was a mistake.

n/t

[jenmito]

118. He should've known better than to "intercept" the handshake "meant" for Obama?

Get real. She lied. Period.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

142. He should have told Obama to shake her hand then or later on. All eyes were on them.

n/t

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

119. It was a snub. Clearly Obama is angry and a bit aloof.

[Levgreee]

123. On the plus side people will see that he is not an ogre at tonight's debate

[jenmito]

132. True.

[thoughtcrime1984]

124. THIS IS A FUCKING JOKE

Anyone who falls for the MSM crap on this non-event is indeed a MORON! This country is fucked, if mouth-breathers vote based on this shit............

[jenmito]

130. They fell for Hillary's "tearing up" as well as her claim she was "piled on" by the big bad boys

in the race.

[Catherine Vincent]

127. Kicking this!

For Obama supporters out there that wanted this to go away.

[JackRiddler]

128. Relax.

This is so totally in ultrawonk world. Nobody outside it knows it happened. The "tearing up" was a strategic roll-out. This is a nothing blown up by the media. They have in the past used nothings to destroy candidates (Dean, scream), but this one doesn't work that way.

[jenmito]

131. That's not true. They showed the pic on The View and the audience gasped and the women on the show

described it as Obama putting his boot on her neck. It's on so many shows I can't get away from it.

[REDFISHBLUEFISH]

133. He turned away in a hissy fit. You would hear the B-word if Hillary ever pulled a stunt like that

[jenmito]

134. Was she reaching out to shake OBAMA'S hand or KENNEDY'S?

[democrat2thecore]

143. This is a NON-ISSUE. Wake-up DU! -nt

[backscatter712]

144. GET A LIFE!!!

Thousands are dying in Iraq and Darfur, millions are going without health care in our own country, our President is lying out his ass to start yet another war, and now the media and the Hillary shills have to get in a collective hissy-fit about something as petty as a handshake?

Pathetic.

[jenmito]

145. I'D LOVE TO!

Unfortunately, the MEDIA keeps pushing and pushing and pushing this story, and it IS in the mainstream. And it's giving Obama a bad name.

[backscatter712]

146. Ain't that the truth.

The media wants a wrestling match, and so do the Rovians.