Ok, So Barack and Hillary both want to sell my job to Indians

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And Edwards has quit.

Now what the fuck do I do?

[Bicoastal]

What team do you play for?

And why does Cleveland want you so bad? nt

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6. Uhhh... My childrens team?

Gotta feed, clothe, care for and educate those kids you know.

[Zueda]

1. Uh did I miss something?

Since when did Obama want to sell jobs to India?

[Zueda]

2. Uh did I miss something?

Since when did Obama want to sell jobs to India?

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4. Barack says he supports Increasing H1Bs

I will support a temporary increase in the H-1B visa program as a stopgap measure until we can reform our immigration system comprehensively. I support comprehensive immigration reform that includes improvement in our visa programs, including our legal permanent resident visa programs and temporary programs including the H-1B program, to attract some of the world’s most talented people to America. We should allow immigrants who earn their degrees in the U.S. to stay, work, and become Americans over time. As part of our comprehensive reform, we should examine our ability to replace a stopgap increase in the number of H1B visas with an increase in the number of permanent visas we issue to foreign skilled workers.

http://pradeepc.net/blog/?p=193

[sandnsea]

8. "Americans could be filling tech jobs"

"But we have a skills shortage, not a worker shortage. There are plenty of Americans who could be filling tech jobs given the proper training. I am committed to investing in communities and people who have not had an opportunity to work and participate in the Internet economy as anything other than consumers. Most H-1B new arrivals, for example, have earned a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent abroad (42.5%). They are not all PhDs. We can and should produce more Americans with bachelor’s degrees that lead to jobs in technology."

He supports an increase in education and only using H1B workers as a temporary measure.

I swear you have to twist your head around pretty far to come up with such completely unfounded reasons to hate Obama.

[caligirl]

10. This is an approach we(hubby and I) support, and I am the one complaining about Hillary

taking so much money from outsourcing leaders.

[sandnsea]

15. With her coziness to Indian business

there is no way outsourcing or insourcing is going to slow down. But you can't talk about that without getting called racist.

I think we have to make our education system work before we can tackle things like H1bs. And of course, there will always be immigration and should be. I don't care if they stay here or go home, I think the more educated people the better. I wish it was easier for people here to go to foreign countries and work as well. I think a lot of young people just don't know the opportunities that are available.

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11. That's republican doublespeak bullshit

I am seeing it first hand. They are paying lower wages to these people and laying off americans to do so. What Obama says is a complete lie, and it is downright disgusting to pimp that lie while we see so many getting layed off...

[sandnsea]

13. "employers who abuse the system and their workers"

"I will also work to ensure immigrant workers are less dependent on their employers for their right to stay in the country and would hold accountable employers who abuse the system and their workers."

He's talking about changing the immigration system so employers can't do what you're talking about anymore.

And don't think you're going to get to post your Obama bashing unchallenged anymore, just an fyi.

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16. That's not the problem - it's just more misleading and diversion.

The problem is outsourcing our jobs to foreign laborers at reduced rates because of the relative difference in economies. They don't see that as abuse of the system.

This is what I was afraid of... He reminds me of the George Bush "Affirmative Access" type of deception... Selling something that on the surface sounds like what you want, but really isn't. They smile in your face while they stab you in the back.

With agriculture we protect the American grower. With IT - he's just a prey to devour...

[sandnsea]

20. Well is it H1b's or outsourcing

And why would he talk about the abuse of the system, as I pointed out in my previus post, if he didn't see it.

Obama actually is the best on techology, it's funny you're attacking the guy who could provide you with a better job.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/

[caligirl]

the part about those coming here to go to college is kind of

interesting. Not much financial aid is available to foreign students applying here. Not that I saw as our son went through his college search. I saw conversations on line with overseas students asking about this. The answer was usually there isn't any aid.

[caligirl]

3. Look at theirother plans for other issues you care about, and throw a dart

while blind folded. Have a drink first. You might put a link in your post to the conversation your probably referring to.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. Maybe start by doing a little research?

Or at least post something that backs up your claims.

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7. OK - post 4

now what???

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

9. See post 8

[mahina]

12. That is false

in case facts matter.

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17. You got sold a heap of lies

read what Barack himself says... There is no shortage of skills. It's a lie to cover the slaughter of the American worker. If there is a shortage of skills, why are people out of work?

he is a liar, selling a republican talking point...

[provis99]

21. you're right. There's no shortage of skilled people

Notice how we're bringing in foreign doctors and nurses now? To "do the jobs that Americans won't do?" What bullshit. They're bringing in H1Bs because they don't need to follow U.S. wage and labor laws.

One of the categories they want to expand for immigration is for heavy duty mechanics. My brother was on a wait list for 3 years in Mississippi just to get a place at the training school, because so many Americans wanted to become heavy duty mechanics, and training places were limited. And now they have to bring in H1Bs because the skilled labor supply isn't there?

What bullshit. Corporations and taxpayers just don't want to pay the cost of educating Americans to do jobs Americans want.

How about we allow H1Bs in to the country to run as our politicians? That would be poetic justice if Congress and the Presidency got outsourced to the third world.

[sandnsea]

22. Did you pay attention to what you typed?

Your brother was on a wait list for 3 years.

That's exactly what I posted above. The people are there, the labor supply is there. The education hasn't kept up, which is exactly what Obama said. Lots of people here to do the jobs if the schools weren't full or kept artificially small. The same is true of nursing, and they've made it harder to get a nursing degree in the last couple years too.

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23. It's about paying lower wages

not shortages. If there is a shortage the price goes up. But the wages are going down instead, because the American worker is being sold out. That's the insidiousness of the lie, which is why I am shocked to hear it coming out of the mouth of Obama.

[2rth2pwr]

14. How odd- see post 17 nt

[mahina]

18. As to your original question,

I have a suggestion for you.

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19. why don't you respond to 17?

Why is Obama selling republiCON lies?

[HughBeaumont]

24. Moreso Hillary than Obama.

Obama is officially the lesser of the two evils now that Edwards has dropped out. For her support of free trade and job offshoring, the Peru Trade agreement and others and doing business with Indian offshoring conglomerates; sorry, that's a backbreaker and the main reason why I will NEVER cast a vote for HRC. Anyone who takes this kind of two-faced stance doesn't deserve the vote of the American worker.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/538674.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/593175.cms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)

There isn't even a skill shortage here. We HAVE plenty of skilled workers; just not any that will work for 6 bucks an hour like the corporations want. The reality is that if our wage was the exact same as that of an Indian, Russian or Chinese, Americans would literally be living in cardboard boxes, wouldn't be able to eat but one meal a day and would be working until the day we died. And that's in mid-market areas - forget big cities or their suburbs.

Like our foreign counterparts, we get paid just enough to eke out a less-than-comfortable living; I'm saying they're cheaper to the robber-baron business owner - even if he's paying someone in Bangalore $6-10 dollars an hour, he's making out like a bandit and so is the Indian worker. Pay US that, and we're walking to work and living in the Parent's Basement Arms for life.

Fighting an education deficit is not our problem. Fighting population and currency deficits ARE. And that's only part of it.