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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:40 PM
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The Forced Audacity of Hopelessness!



Barack or Hillary... Where's "the beef" of "hope". All I see is hopelessness!

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:42 PM
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1. I'm with yeah
another placeholder president til the next republican can drive us further in the ground.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:48 PM
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4. Here's an earlier rendition I made...
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:52 PM
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6. dupe
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 09:53 PM by fenriswolf
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:52 PM
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8. OMG IM FRIGGIN DYING!!!!!!
:rofl:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:55 PM
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13. That IS hysterical!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:55 PM
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14. dupe
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 09:55 PM by pirhana
I swear I only hit enter once :P
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:42 PM
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2. LOL!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:46 PM
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3. Well done.
It encapsulates our primary concerns.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:50 PM
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5. Feel free to vote for somebody else.
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Hill_YesWeWill Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:52 PM
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7. I understand the sentiment but I believe
things take time to change. The people can't elect a truly liberal candidate when the people don't have the power to do so. First what must change is freedom of information. The situation with this election is already much better than say, 8 years ago. Many more people are online, watching debates on youtube, comparing websites, and much less people are depending on MSM for their opinions. I believe with time the American people will have more control over government just from having more information.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:01 PM
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17. No in time the government being controlled by corporate interests
will have complete control over the american people. Its great were gonna get a democratic president because america has "woken up" but c'mon. You think either one will get rid of the for profit health care system. C'mon we're still gonna have troops in iraq for the next 4 years. C'mon either of these two will put a band aid on nafta, not impose tariffs and say its fixed. Trust me our choice is not a choice at all. next election things will be worse and the republicans will be sayng "change, change, change"
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:53 PM
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9. So you're saying I should vote for Nader?
:shrug:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:54 PM
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12. Not saying WHO I should vote for, but that I face a conundrum...
... as I think many who really want to see progressive ideals do.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:57 PM
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15. People who are progressives are intellectually honest.
And Obama's got a fine progressive record. Beter than the other candidate's.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:59 PM
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16. He needs to be more specific on how he's going to take down corporate power...
Instead of talking about working for compromise.

A necessary element of a progressive agenda today is the top priority of taking down corporate power. Without it, just about all other issues are compromised.

Especially when this candidate takes as much or more than anyone else except Hillary from corporate donors.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:02 PM
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18. Huh.
"Especially when this candidate takes as much or more than anyone else except Hillary from corporate donors."

Interesting, considering that in terms of percentage, Obama's corporate campaigns were near identical to Edwards' corporate campaigns. In fact, Obama's smashed all the records for small private donations. The man's a populist.
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:04 PM
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20. He is not talking about compromise, but about a NEW progressive majority.
He appeals to the ordinary citizen that who his goals for the nation, be they Republican, Democrats or Independent. And armed with this majority he will be able to gain the (forced) support from Republicans in Washington. That has been his whole philosophy. Change coming from the bottom.

This is how he will fight: ....He explains it quite clearly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XLyQNJsCv0

You use transparency at every level of government and use public pressure to shame opponents to vote for what their constituencies want. (see reference to independents and republicans OUTSIDE of Washington)
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:02 PM
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19. fine corporate candidate
who sees nothing wrong in giving money to bush to fund an illegal war based on lies and whose main purpose is to siphen it to corporate interests, backers in the middle east, to fund their own private army. what a fine progressive candidate indeed. Although I must admit I like him over hillary.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:04 PM
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21. See, now this is what I was talking about...
when I mentioned progressives being intellectually honest.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:08 PM
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22. Even when I go to vote for him in my primary I'm still gonna feel shit on
and I still have to make back up plans to leave the country, just in case, ya never know how hard the next repub pres is gonna hit.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:09 PM
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23. That's a little melodramatic.
Don't you think?
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:18 PM
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24. not really
the sign are here. little barriers in civil liberties and trust are being broken left and right. We now vote for two candidates who speak against war but vote to continue. Two candidates who have seen the devastation that NAFTA and so called free trade has wrote, the loss of our business infrastructure. Yet they want to put a band aid on it. The will keep for profit health care but promise to make the plans more affordable. These people are selling us kool aid. we have to vote and these are supposed to be progressives? are you kidding me? their policies will not fix america, america will get worse, republicans will win in 2012 because we voted for a dem to fix them. These policies will not do it. The candidates are bought and paid for, doesn't matter which one got the most from people, they are still bought for by corporate interests. Take an outside look at them and their policies without trying to sell one of the candidates to yourself. YOu will find that they in fact offer nothing of change but more of the same.

One of these two people will be president. I can vote for a 3rd party candidate all i want but because of mob mentality and our voting system (should be run off balloting for proper voting) we will never have a 3rd party win.

So no hope for either candidate who will win (or if neither a repub which is the same only worse) and no hope for a 3rd party unless a miracle happens I am gonna have my passport updated and paperwork in with the canadian embassy.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:53 PM
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10. I hope you didn't spend a lot of time making that.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:54 PM
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11. Or as I call them -
the leftovers!
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