Obama Memo to Press: Florida Doesn't Count

[Bluebear]

Sen. Barack Obama's campaign is encouraging the national media not to fall for a Clinton campaign declaration of victory in Florida's Primary election today, because the state cannot award delegates to the Democratic Party's national nominating convention. Florida and Michigan both were penalized after scheduling early votes without national party approval.

"The Clinton campaign had a (media conference) call that Flkorida should be covered by all you folks in a serious fashion," said Sen. John Kerry, D-MA, and an Obama supporter. "What this race is about right now is delegates. The bottom line is that Florida does not offer any delegates. It should not be a spin race, a fabricated race."

Kerry said Florida is a state where Obama, former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, signed pledges not to campaign after the Democratic National Committee stripped it of delegates for moving its primary date up without national party approval.

Yet Clinton campaign allies, notably the AFSCME labor union has been "spending tons of money" there, Kerry said, to create a symbolic Clinton victory before Feb. 5 elections in 22 states. Moreover, Hillary Clinton will be in Florida tonight, to thank supporters after today's votes are tallied.

http://www.alternet.org/democracy/75353/

[robbedvoter]

1. Great! GOP-ers are abusing voters there now, and voters have had it with the party!

The "uniter" strikes again!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4269492&mesg_id=4269828

[Maven]

2. Pay NO ATTENTION to fewer voters choosing ME!

Look over there!

Don't even talk about it!

It never happened!!!!111!

[1corona4u]

18. ...

[MadBadger]

3. Well, if this is a race for delegates, then it doesnt.

[joshcryer]

7. I guess no one is taking cali's calls for civility seriously.

Typical.

[Bluebear]

12. Cali - - calling for civility?

:rofl:

;)

[LibraLiz1973]

8. Good to know that the PEOPLE do not count

Rock on Obama!

[robbedvoter]

15. Perspective, people - perspective - right to vote, respect for voters

You still need voters to like you - remember? maybe even in GE!

[zanne]

4. He's right.

No delegates, no winners.

[rodeodance]

5. Kerry--you kicked the voters in the butt in 04 and are doing it again now in FL.

[jody]

6. If the vote disparity between white and black voters in SC is repeated in FL, then FL means BO will

have a tough time winning a national election in particular if he continues to lose Hispanic votes.

[bigwillq]

9. I feel bad for the people of Florida.

It's not there fault it is a mess down there, right? It is the fault of the Florida Democratic Party, correct?

I hate to see voters disenfranchised.

[robbedvoter]

20. Yup. It's not like...they voted on it.

GOP has outplayed Dean and it may cost us the election.

[rodeodance]

10. subject should say: Florida VOTERS--take a hike

[AtomicKitten]

11. More accurately: The DNC decided it doesn't count.

[robbedvoter]

22. And might cost us the election in November.

[AtomicKitten]

29. take it up with Howard Dean

[jlake]

57. I have already written him a letter. I can't wait till Hillary shit cans him.

[TheDeathadder]

13. whether the delegates count or not

Florida does count and should go out and vote. They should let us know who they support. The problem with this country is that we don't vote. That elections are won on low turn-outs. that people are told their voice is not heard. Go out and vote Florida - We're listening.

[Metric System]

51. Exactly. And really, the media makes a big deal out of polls so why would actual votes cast not have

any significance?

[Teaser]

14. race to the bottom...

I can't wait for the equally "convincing" salvo from Obama nation.

[bluedog]

16. This Floridian says F*** You Obama and Kerry

as many many more have!

[Big Blue Marble]

27. Why is everybody sooo very worried about the Florida delegates now

and not earlier? Oh Clinton needs to use them to get her nomination on back on track.

She will spin the win because that is what she does best. And pretend to be oh so worried about
the Florida voters. Sure, I am not buying your concern or hers.

The party makes the rules. Florida broke the rules. Hillary could have fought it earlier, she did not.

End of story. Stop making stuff up.

[sunonmars]

35. If over 1 million vote tonight in Florida for the Dems, the DNC will have to take notice

They will have no choice.

The Media pressure will be enormous, i think.

Imagine headlines tomorrow "Florida's 1 Million Dem voters don't count" Thats a PR nightmare and a coup for the Repugs.

[truebrit71]

43. Let's check back tomorrow shall we? Of course you know what the headlines SHOULD say...

...right?

It should say...

"Florida's Democratic Party Fucks Over One million Party Faithful Because the Ball-less Bastards Couldn't Stop the Repignicans From Changing The Primary Date"

You know...the truth..

[flvegan]

53. Local news here has already stated that 400,000 dem votes have been cast.

475,000 rethug votes have been cast as well.

[rodeodance]

44. STop making up stories. There have been several posts over last several months

about this issue-that you seemed to have missed. go look for them and NO, I will not do your research for you.

[truebrit71]

28. As soon as Floridians can figure out how to count votes...then it'll matter..til then..fuck it...

...one of the most fucked-up states in the union..

[Bluebear]

58. They know how to count votes when the Supreme Court allows them to.

[sunonmars]

32. I suspect after this there wont be much box ticking for Obama in Florida

[rodeodance]

41. BRAVO

[calico1]

17. I'm sure the people of Florida will not remember

they were told they didn't count come November. Yes, it's about delegates now. But I have a feeling a few voters are going to be really pissed about this.

[sunonmars]

23. crap not just voters in Florida, but everywhere will find this abhorrent

Florida voters will be pissed off heavily. Others will too

[robbedvoter]

24. Are you sure they won't??????? read this: (and the wole thread)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4269492&mesg_id=4269828

[calico1]

37. I should have added this:

:sarcasm: my point being that even if Obama and Kerry are technically right what the voters in FL hear is they don't count and of course they will remember.

[Big Blue Marble]

19. Hillary has worked hard to make this a win.

She wants to use it to reset the tone of the campaign which has not been going her way.

Obama would be foolish to just standby and let her set the narrative.

There was no campaigning; there are no delegates.

All there is, is more Clinton spin as always.

[UALRBSofL]

31. You can call it spin

All you want too but since I live in florida I am not happy our vote doesn't count and the fact Kerry stated it wasn't important makes me that much more disappointed. Also, most folks don't know there vote didn't count. Since CNN is covering it, I think most folks in florida will find out.

[Big Blue Marble]

55. I am not happy about Florida voters either.

I live in Kentucky. Our vote is in May. It never counts, not one time.

I want the votes in Florida to count. The DNC said no.

I just do not want Hilary taking advantage of the bad situation.
And that is what she is trying to do.

There two separate issues. She is trying to use the first issue, voters being left out,
to gain points for her second issue, she wants the votes to count for her even
though Obama or Edwards kept their pledges and did not campaign there.

In other words, Hillary is demagoguing this issue to gain advantage.

Just do not fall for it.

[bellasgrams]

36. But there has been campaigning by BO, so is he going to wait

and see how he does before saying it's ok? Yes would fit BO's MO

[sunonmars]

21. This is going to look very bad for him, very bad

He's dissing the state that has caused the lose of both elections in 00 and 04. I want to know what Florida thinks.

Florida Matters.

[truebrit71]

30. Florida can fall into the Atlantic as useful as it's been to the Dems these last 2 elections...

...you can't figure out HOW to count the votes, and then you can't decide WHEN to vote...

Fuck it...

[sunonmars]

33. Dont be an ass, Florida is needed in case you dont remember

[truebrit71]

34. Very helpful in '00 and '04.

I guarantee you that FL will again vote for whichever piece of dogshit wears the (R) after his name this fall...

[jillan]

25. Should Kerry be speaking out for Obama?

Just curious....

[bellasgrams]

38. Kerry can speak for anyone he wants. He doesn't carry any

water. I held my nose to vote for him.

[rodeodance]

46. kerry is his new watercarrier.

[R_M]

45. Kerry's a proven lightweight.

If the comment didn't come from Obama's mouth, it won't hurt too much.
Besides, Kerry didn't think too much about counting the votes in Ohio, so why should he care about counting votes now?

[jefferson_dem]

26. Obama says sky is blue. Hillarybots disagree in irrational fit of rage.

n/t

[madrchsod]

47. the sky is blue? i did`t know that--->

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

48. very Rovian---dismissing a person's concern.

[jefferson_dem]

60. I dismiss unwarranted concerns.

Like this one.

[robbedvoter]

50. The sky is gray here in NY, and I am mad as hell at the abuse Fla voters go through

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4269492

[jefferson_dem]

59. I share your outrage.

You were there for NV caucus-goers also who documented numerous abuses that may have benefited Hillary, right?

[pampango]

39. Didn't they all agree last summer that it "doesn't count"? n/t

[publicatlarge]

40. Again, Obama is showing a serious lack of...

...good judgment in allowing John Kerry to be a mouthpiece for him. He will soon rue the day. Ditto with Ted Kennedy.

[madrchsod]

52. "real genius"

"Well you won't get away with this. Doctor Hathaway's gonna hear all about this. --You'll rue the day!--- Chris Knight: "Rue the day?" Who talks like that? ."
:rofl:

[Big Blue Marble]

56. You are entitled to your opinion.

Perhaps there is job out there waiting for you as a political consultant because you definitely
have your finger on the pulse of the people.

[sunonmars]

42. I have a feeling Florida will be a landslide for Hillary tonight

[rodeodance]

49. and there will be lots of whinning from some. guess who.

[madrchsod]

54. could you be talking about->

[Bluebear]

61. You win