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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:08 PM
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Does anyone still think a Clinton/Obama ticket is possible?
Especially if the campaign goes all the way to the convention. I won't say Obama/Clinton because I don't see Hillary taking the VP slot under any circumstances.

Calm down and think beyond your personal biases before you comment. I know that's hard to impossible on this board, but try to be analytical and realistic and give a rational answer.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:10 PM
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1. I can't see it, I could see an Obama/Edwards ticket though. n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:29 PM
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21. I agree -- and doing that wouldn't pull anyone out of the Senate
Hillary would make a GREAT Senate Majority Leader. Her understanding of the ins and outs of D.C. and how things work vis-a-vis the WH would be a tremendous asset. I really think her skills would be better put to work there than at the other end of Penn. Ave.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:10 PM
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2. No. One Democrat out of the Senate is bad enough. Two outta there is dangerous ......
Are the governors of NY and IL both Democrats?
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:10 PM
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3. No, that would be the worst political ticket possible, It send a mixed message. n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:10 PM
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4. It's clear now that they have divergent political philosophies, even if
their positions on policies are very close. So...no.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:11 PM
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5. I think it's still possible if McCain is the nominee. Our dems should
just quiet down and put some distance between the current events and Nov '08.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:12 PM
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6. No way. n/t
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:12 PM
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7. No, and I dont want Clinton on the ticket. eom
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:13 PM
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8. Sure... anybody remember Kennedy/Johnson?
Reagan/Bush? These healing tickets aren't uncommon. The idea of this primary as something extraordinarily nasty is pretty overblown. I've personally witnessed worse in the last 48 years of political involvement.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:13 PM
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9. This is the only way to bring the party back together after this
bloody fight.

And we will need it. The GOP will have their wounds healed by November and they will be gunning for the Whitehouse.

Clinton/Obama is a brilliant ticket and will set up Obama 2016!!!!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:14 PM
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10. Never thought it was. Still don't.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:15 PM
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11. I hope not.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 04:16 PM by Big Blue Marble
Obama's message is about moving beyond the kind of politics that Hillary depends on.

He would be walking away from his own message of hope and change.
His is not a normal candidacy. It is a transformational one.
If not enough voters are ready for transformational change, then so be it.

Putting him on Hillary's ticket would destroy that message not enhance it.

Other way around: She will not settle for VP. And he would not want her either.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:15 PM
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12. It depends on the their priorities.
If they put the country first, I think it is. A really divisive campaign between these two could destroy our hopes in the GE.

Is it possible? It was in the start. I think Hillary originally looked at Obama as somebody she would like to see as VP. How cold has it gotten? I don't really know. I don't really care if they are willing to do what is necessary to win. Would Obama not accept it? The only thing that could keep him from accepting it would be wild ego based politics. He's young and his best shot at prez if he doesn't win the nomination is as VP, that's 2+2=4 stuff. But I don't know Obama. I don't know the source of their divisions. Is it just that two rockstars are colliding and the office isn't big enough for both of them? I hope not.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:16 PM
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13. Feelings may be a little raw still this summer. Besides, after arguing how NOT ready Obama is...
I'm not sure how Clinton can get away with putting such an inexperienced guy a heartbeat away.

I think either one of the two needs a Jim Webb this fall.
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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:17 PM
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14. NO!
NO NO NO NO NO NO, NO!!!!! ......... NO
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:17 PM
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15. Obama declined that hypothetical in '07
I'd be surprised if he would change his mind now.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:36 PM
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24. Before or after he said he'd finish his senate term?
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 04:37 PM by robbedvoter
Not meant as a snipe - these kind of statements rarely stay unchanged. Even Wellstone said he wouldn't run for a third term - but did.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:38 PM
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26. During.
I believe he stopped mid sentence, injected another sentence, and continued right where he left off.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:18 PM
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16. I would say yes, but
I think the pre-nup will include a line about 2012 and Ms Clinton
not being there.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:25 PM
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19. No you're talking. Perfect solution.
If it comes down to the wire, make that deal. Hillary will not run in 2012, and Obama will run as the incumbent in 2012. An unorthodox solution for unorthodox times.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:18 PM
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17. I think it's possible
I agree that Obama/Clinton wouldn't happen because I don't think Hillary would think that was in her best interest. I think it would be a good move for Obama; it would give him the experience that some people think he lacks to be nominated. It would set him up nicely for a 2016 run.


It certainly would put some Obama supporters in a quandry----those who have stated they will not vote for her if she wins the nomination. I can't believe having Obama wouldn't be a cause to reconsider though.

I believe they both can overcome the campaign attacks to work together. It's all just campaigning. Afterwards everyone kisses and makes up.

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:19 PM
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18. possible
but unlikely. I doubt very much two senators will run together, especially an 8-year one and a 4-year one.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:35 PM
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23. possible but unlikely and maybe a disaster.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 04:45 PM by ben_meyers
Keeping in mind that DU represents an extremely small portion of the general electorate, both in opinion and interest in the candidates, a ticket made up of 2 senators both of whom are "minorities" could be trouble in the general election. Is the country at large ready for a woman president? Maybe. Are we ready for a black president? Possibly. But both on one ticket? I don't think so. Who ever gets the nomination will be balanced with an "Old White Guy".

Obviously it's not fair, but I fear it's the way it is.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:25 PM
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20. To be blunt? NO
And not JUST no... HELL NO
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:34 PM
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22. It would be a great move - if they can get themselves to do it.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:38 PM
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25. I allready know it will happen.
Clinton/Obama will be the ticket. Bill Clinton will mentor Obama....then, Obama will follow Hillary as the next and Best President since Lincoln.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:39 PM
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27. I doubt it seriously
Obama would hesitate to be joined at the political hip to Clinton. And he would factor into his decision the repeated refrain that many of the liberal base will not turn out for Hillary under any circumstances.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:39 PM
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28. Absolutely.
I think the better question is why wouldn't it be possible. And if it goes to convention, then it becomes even more likely, not less, as a unity ticket would be assured of approval on the first round of balloting at a brokered convention.

Adding Obama to the ticket is beneficial to Hillary because it maintains the interest of first-time indy voters who have been drawn to this election because of Obama, and also unites a party that will possibly be frayed at the seams after a Hillary win. It's beneficial to Obama because eight-years in the VP slot gives him the one thing that he has constantly been criticized for lacking -- experience.

Conversely, I don't think an Obama/Clinton ticket is at all likely. The presence of Hillary on Obama's ticket would overshadow the presidential candidate and drag Obama down into all of those 1990s brawls that he maintains he's trying to move beyond. And from the purely geographic standpoint, adding a northeast liberal to the ticket has never been a good idea. Obama's better off with Richardson, Clark, or some other experience-heavy candidate from the southwest or south that lacks Obama's charisma and marquee name.

As for this idea that Clinton wouldn't put Obama on the ticket because of some animus between the two, I find that absurd. As stated elsewhere in this thread, there are many examples of heated primary rivals winding up on the same ticket, Kennedy/Johnson and Reagan/Bush being the most recent -- recall Papa Bush's dismissal of Reagan's supply-side idiocy as "voodoo economics," only a short while before he was extolling the virtues of the idea as Reagan's VP.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:39 PM
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29. No way in hell will an Obama/Clinton ticket happen. The other way around isn't IMO, tenable. eom.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 04:40 PM
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30. sure...
The Clinton/Gore race was pretty acrimonius, if I remember correctly. That didn't stop them.

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