Hillary supporters actually make me pity Hillary.

[Meldread]

I've never hidden my feelings or dislike for the Clinton's, but the Hillary supporters here on DU have actually started to make me pity her. Their attacks and methods make them look so desperate and pathetic, that it degrades Hillary in every possible way.

"Handjob Gate" is today's example. That is the official name I'm giving it, because Hillary supporters are practically masturbating over the fact that a photo makes it look as if Obama snubbed Hillary. They are actually cheerful at the prospect that their candidate was allegedly snubbed. The thought of slamming Obama makes them foam at their mouths. (We'll just ignore the fact that Obama didn't snub Hillary and neither made an effort to shake the other's hand. So if there was a snub at all it was mutual - but hey... no sense in letting facts get in the way of a good Obama bashing.)

Then there are little comments made by a Hillary supporter encouraging Hillary to use the "power of the feminine" on Senator Kennedy. In other words, attempt to seduce him in hopes of luring him away from Obama so he can endorse Hillary instead.

I cannot actually believe that a Hillary supporter wants her to degrade herself to get an endorsement. It is pathetic. It goes against everything Hillary stands for, but her supporters don't seem to care.

Then there is Bill Clinton - her own freaking husband, who effectively has marginalized her as a candidate. She's no longer Hillary for President - everyone now sees it as Bill & Hillary for President - with a focus on Bill before Hillary. Bill just couldn't control his ego in front of the camera. He had to go and make everything about him, and in turn marginalize the first serious woman candidate for President. It reinforced so many negative stereotypes about women. It was just flat out awful. Bill Clinton has effectively planted the seed in America's mind that this campaign isn't about Hillary - it's about Bill getting a third term through his wife.

And this is just a tip of the iceberg.

So in the end, I suppose her supporters have been successful in making me pity her, but not in a desirable way.

[papau]

1. The AP photographer who took photo has said "snub" is what happened n/t

[Renew Deal]

The more you repeat it, the more true it will be

:shrug:

[Kittycat]

4. That's what they're hoping

[Meldread]

24. I don't think they are looking for the type of pity I am talking about.

When I say "pity" I mean it like this: Hillary has pretty much degraded herself in every possible way via her supporters. She sent Bill Clinton out to do her dirty work. When hard times came, she went to hide behind her man. Rather than deal with Obama directly, she had to have her husband do it. Is that how she'll handle negotiations with Russia? "Putin is mean to me, I don't like him. I need Bill!" - is that what she'll do? Bill has toned it down because it made her campaign look so bad, but he wouldn't have been out there so loud if he didn't have her approval.

Some of her supporters here on DU though, are just out right pathetic - I am sorry I have to say it, but it's true. I really couldn't believe the one who suggested that she should basically degrade herself by seducing Ted Kennedy. That was just gross and pathetic.

In the end, if you combine that with the race baiting, and the sheer gleefulness of some of her supporters here on DU over it. Wow. It really blows you away. It shows a sick and twisted type of desperation.

[papau]

9. It is True even If I do not repeat it - your quarrel is with the photographer who said

he saw a snub and that the photo was of a snub.

But you are in luck - the media is still Obama territory - none of the Boston papers ran with the photo.

[Renew Deal]

16. Maybe they didn't run with it because there's nothing there.

It's striking how little substance comes out of the Clinton camp. It's all fake outrage and name calling.

[papau]

26. Perhaps - but the AP photographer did say it was a snub

[Meldread]

28. Here is the context as per CNN.

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/29/state-of-the-union-awkward-moment/


The fact of the matter is, she never made the effort to shake his hand. So how could he have snubbed her? From the looks of it, it doesn't even seem like she was going to shake Kennedy's hand until he reached down to shake hers - and of course, there are at least two documented instances of where she has snubbed Obama. So, on the chance that Obama did snub her... I fail to understand the outrage from the Hillary camp. If they truly believe that a snub is something so awful as they are making Handjob Gate to be - then why isn't Hillary condemned for doing it, not once but at least twice? You didn't see Obama supporters foaming at the mouth when Hillary did it. We rolled our eyes and moved on - Handjob Gate makes Hillary's campaign look desperate and pathetic.

[rodeodance]

36. That's what I am hoping

[ShortnFiery]

17. So now, in addition to yourself, the M$M can get INSIDE of Obama's mind?

Bullshit! :thumbsdown:

[Quixote1818]

30. Please give it a rest. What does it matter? nt

[Renew Deal]

2. I think the most important and indisputable part of your post is the 3rd term stuff

I agree completely. Her campaign has been anti-feminist.

[Kittycat]

3. I have to completely agree.

Particularly with this part:

Then there is Bill Clinton - her own freaking husband, who effectively has marginalized her as a candidate. She's no longer Hillary for President - everyone now sees it as Bill & Hillary for President - with a focus on Bill before Hillary. Bill just couldn't control his ego in front of the camera. He had to go and make everything about him, and in turn marginalize the first serious woman candidate for President. It reinforced so many negative stereotypes about women. It was just flat out awful. Bill Clinton has effectively planted the seed in America's mind that this campaign isn't about Hillary - it's about Bill getting a third term through his wife.

[0007]

18. If the Hill makes it to the White House. What will be the correct

way to address the woman. President Hillary?
A scenario: President Hillary, President Hillary ..... I just saw president Clinton chasing after a young girl in blue dress with a big white spot.

[zabet]

5. Well, I was pulling for

Biden until he dropped out.
I do not sympathize or pity
Hillary and her supporters here
have had absolutely no effect on that.

The Obama supporters though, they
scare me. Obama Camp, just like
Jesus Camp - more and more every day.

[1corona4u]

11. Jesus camp....

that was frightening. Those parents should be brought up on child abuse charges. For mental abuse.

[zabet]

22. I agree totally.

Just check out the crowd
shots when Obama is speaking
-- they have the same enraptured
mindless look on their faces that
the kids on Jesus Camp had.

[CreekDog]

58. No, there is no brainwashing and they aren't children

this is normal in successful campaigns.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. The hate never stops

Only Hitler is described in stronger, more negative terms than Hillary Clinton (with or without Bill).

No human being could possibly be as evil as we are being told Clinton is. There is nothing either of them do that is no analyzed in detail and found to be motivated by malice and woven into a conspiracy.

Before you try to pluck the splinter out of your neighbors' eye, take the board out of your own.

--p!

[Meldread]

25. This has NOTHING to do with Hillary the Candidate.

It has everything to do with her supporters. Come on, seriously. You do not think suggesting that Hillary should seduce Ted Kennedy so he'd change his mind - you don't think that's desperate and pathetic? What if he would only agree if she fucked him? Should she do that, too? It is sick and some folks here need to get hold of themselves. If Obama wins the nomination their heads are going to implode.

[Dogmudgeon]

39. What?

Where did this come from?

I heard one of the political wonks last night talking about how Hillary should use her "feminine wiles", but I thought it was irony.

--p!

[rodeodance]

40. correct--It has EVERYTHING to do with Obama's behavior.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Handjob gate...

Nailed it. :thumbsup:

[LeftCoast]

8. To be totally honest, the DU Clinton Team and DU Obama Team make me not want to be a Dem anymore

The truly hilarious thing is both teams are exactly the same and they don't even realize it.

[Hepburn]

13. Well, the conduct of the Clinton and Obama supporters in general...

...and not just here on DU is one reason that I found the Edwards' camp more appealing.

JMHO

[LeftCoast]

19. If Edwards starts doing a bit better the morons will start crawling out of the woodwork for him too.

I just have to remember that the Satan's Cheer-Squad mentality really doesn't truly reflect on the candidates themselves so much. It's hard though.

[quinnox]

10. Obama is not a god

Obama snubbed Hillary, deal with it. I repeat: Obama is not a god, he is not perfect. Amen.

[golddigger]

42. He's the anointed one. Didn't you hear.

1. Obama saw the spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on him, and behold a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved nominee, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:13)

2. Obama fed 5000 screaming fans from a single bag of cheeto's.

3. Obama cured a ham.
:evilgrin:

[quinnox]

47. lol

[KennedyGuy]

12. Funny..Obama supporters really make me dislike Obama...

[ellacott]

38. and vice versa

[NashVegas]

14. Waaaaaaa Waaaaaa Waaaaaaa

Glass jaw.

[Name removed]

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[book_worm]

20. they have nothing better to talk about apparently.

[BenDavid]

21. well hell it is news now to millions of women that obama turned

his back on hillary last night when SHE offered a simple handshake.....It was topic number 1 on THE VIEW......

[Hepburn]

23. The View is now a definitive source of facts?

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

44. Now now, some of my relatives love the show. And you know what they say?

As goes "The View," so goes Our Nation. :spray: :rofl:

I think us Obama supporters, will see your "Clintonian VIEW" and raise you a "Ted Kennedy Endorsement." :P

[Quixote1818]

37. Why are you so eager for Women to be offended?

You are doing EXACTLY what the OP is talking about.

[ShortnFiery]

45. Why are you so eager to brand women as lemmings?!? See, we can play "the game" too?

;)

[Quixote1818]

51. Why did the poster just mention Women?

What about the Men who watch the View? There are probably millions. Does he/she not care if some of them are upset about what happened? Why has this become women against men for so many Hillary supporters? Hillary has lots of male supporters who are equally capable of showing fake outrage over this. :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

53. "Men who watch The View?!" OMG! Sorry, what? All 5 of them.

As a woman, I'm not going to delude myself that hordes of men are hanging off of every word that the women on the view are saying.

Get REAL! I don't know the survey results but I believe that it's safe to claim that the vast majority of Americans who choose to regularly watch "The View" are women.

Now feel free to quote me the survey results but I don't think this stereotype is either offensive nor inaccurate. :shrug:

[Quixote1818]

57. I use to watch it when all hell was breaking lose with Rosie

:shrug:

[golddigger]

48. Yep! Perception is everything.

I still remember poppybushit looking at his watch in one of the debates. I told my wife at the time that Clinton just won the Presidency.

[pansypoo53219]

27. as a thinking female.

it disturbs me the women are voting for her just because she's a female. same goes for obama black voters. it''s the same damned intellectual absence as 'pro-fetus' voters.
is that all you think about? a fucking hand shake?
is that it?

[Meldread]

29. Well I support Obama, and am white...

...but I also agree. Handjob Gate is ridiculous. There are two documented instances of Hillary snubbing Obama, and if anyone actually looks at what happened - the CNN report is best - they'd see that neither candidate was acknowledging the other. It was a mutual snub.

[Political Heretic]

31. I agree.

[Hobarticus]

32. "Handjob Gate"? Classy.

Hard to argue with such high-falutin' talk.

[rodeodance]

35. IP learns well from Bush/Rove!

[Hobarticus]

49. Truly a race to the gutter...eom

[ShortnFiery]

52. I feel like a figurative political warrior ... when you're being attacked by the figurative

"Crazy Clintonian 88s" it's always best to stay BLUNT and make your point with as few words as possible. :shrug:

Please consider the above as you figuratively SLAM against us by shamelessly interpreting *non-verbal cues* as God Given Fact?

If you go TOO FAR in efforts to pump up your heroine ... there's always the option for political pay back. :evilgrin:

[Quixote1818]

33. You pretty much nailed it. I just hope they look in the mirror you just held up.

The sad thing is it seems to be about 10 or 15 people posting the same stuff over and over. I am sure most Hillary supporters are level headed awesome people.

[Meldread]

43. I know, it's sad.

I have tried to congratulate the good ones, though. Like when Obama won SC, I congratulated the Hillary and Edwards supporters who weren't spamming the "Obama = Jesse Jackson" threads. When Kennedy endorsed Obama I gave my sympathies to the Hillary and Edwards supporters who weren't attacking Ted and the rest of his family.

[karlrschneider]

34. I wasn't supporting her until I read that screed; now I do.

Congratulations.

[ShortnFiery]

41. Get real! Unless you're one dimensional, you had essentially made up your mind before now.

But thanks for your input.

Now (after your insightful comments), I KNOW FOR A FACT that I feel sorry for The Clintons' supporters. :rofl: <tweak!> ;)

[Meldread]

46. Yeah.

I find it funny that the poster got offended when I was pretty much saying Hillary got a raw deal with the type of people she's attracted to her campaign. It's not like what I posted is untrue.

[BeyondGeography]

50. And, to think, we almost had you on our side

Oh, the pain.

[plantwomyn]

54. To use your own words

I cannot actually believe that a Obama supporter wants him to degrade GLBT people to get an endorsement. It is pathetic. It goes against everything Obama supposedly stands for, but his supporters don't seem to care.
I assume that since you have a rainbow flag as your avatar you have a very clear and concise knowledge of the choices Obama has made so when you say
"I find it funny that the poster got offended when I was pretty much saying Hillary got a raw deal with the type of people she's attracted to her campaign. It's not like what I posted is untrue." maybe she's just trying to have a "dialogue" with them and "teach" them even though she disagrees with them.
Do you feel like you "got a raw deal with the type of people" Obama has attracted to his campaign?
And if I my be allowed to include myself as a member of "everyone" your statement that "everyone now sees it as Bill & Hillary for President - with a focus on Bill before Hillary" is untrue.

[WillTheGoober]

55. Way to Generalize :-)

Thanks for making another generalized, ignorant post.

We get it -- everybody hates Hillary and anybody who supports her.
We're all evil. We're all going to hell.

Just put us in the DU version of a concentration camp already.

W.

[Beregond2]

56. Hillary

And then there is that idiot woman from New York NOW, behaving like a girl who didn't get asked to dance at the prom. Talk about reinforcing stereotypes! Hillary deserves better supporters than she has. But then, if she hadn't spent the past seven years licking Bush's boots, maybe she would have them.