Why was it BILL Clinton who called Ted Kennedy and not his wife, the CANDIDATE?

[jenmito]

And why was it BILL Clinton who gave the initial speech after HILLARY'S S.C. loss to Obama? It's apparent that Hillary needs her husband to "help" her...poor thing. She's certainly not ready to be president.

[Colobo]

1. Because it's Billary running...

[jenmito]

5. Exactly. So she wouln't be the first female president. She'd be the first spouse again, only this

time she'd be the one with the title "President." Women voting for her "because she's a woman" should keep in mind she's a woman who needs a man.

[alteredstate]

20. That's right

Do you think potential VP choices will be wary of the Billary factor?

[jenmito]

25. I think so. I remember Joe Biden saying HE wouldn't want to be Hillary's VP because BILL is there

and BILL would probably have more input than the "real" VP.

[2Design]

2. is this non-civility necessary here - we are all suppose to be on the same side

but remarks like this just remind me of the nastiness, meaness, rudeness, and behavior of republicans

[jenmito]

9. It's necessary for people to realize that Hillary's not the strong woman she is seen to be.

We're NOT on the same side until the GE.

[rodeodance]

41. ah--another DREAMER

.....It's necessary for people to realize that Hillary's not the strong woman she is seen to be.
Posted by jenmito

[jenmito]

46. It's obvious judging by the role Bill is playing!

[rodeodance]

67. and the media played and played it up--and you fell for the baid along with many others.

[jenmito]

70. BILL CLINTON put HIMSELF in the media. He can't help himself. Lies and all.

[rodeodance]

74. more DREAMING on your part.

BILL CLINTON put HIMSELF in the media. He can't help himself. Lies and all.

[jenmito]

78. If repeating me is all you got, knock yourself out. I'll just stop wasting my time responding to it

[rodeodance]

81. knock knock---shucks--the Land of DREAMS --is reserved for Dreamers.

[liberalnurse]

43. Let us not forget, Obama is a white male

not just a black man.

[jenmito]

47. Riiiight.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

45. periodically, I try to reason with the Obama cultists--but I get the same responses

you get.

Reason, logic is out the window in relation to many of the O. cultists.

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. two for the price of one, after all

[rateyes]

7. LOL. To quote Seinfeld:

She has "man hands." :rofl:

[rateyes]

8. Is it me or does Hillary

need a shave? :shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

33. well as we're attacking candidates with childish pics

Did either one piss you off? Good. Now you know how it feels.

[Catherine Vincent]

38. LOL!

Tit for Tat! :thumbsup:

[MonkeyFunk]

42. I'm disgusted that it's even permissible to post

pics like these.

[jenmito]

44. Right-combining a wife and husband is equivalent to combining a candidate with a terrorist.

:thumbsdown:

[MonkeyFunk]

51. I didn't say they're equivalent

but they're all childish and meant to offend.

And to be fair, Bill Clinton is far more reviled here than Osama bin Laden.

[jenmito]

55. "Tit for tat" says it all.

You must be delusional making that last comment you just made. :eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

57. Are you getting my point?

The pics I posted ARE offensive. As are the other childish pics that people post. And the stupid, juvenile names like "Hillbot" and "Obomanation". It's junior-high level crap. I'm trying to get people to realize it.

[jenmito]

63. Obviously not...

and combining Obama with bin Laden is WAY beyond the pale. Talk about taking the position of the RW. (And I've NEVER used ANY of those stupid names. I've ALWAYS called them "Hillary Supporters."

[MonkeyFunk]

66. why is it beyond the pale?

Because it offends YOU?

What about people who think merging Bill and Hillary is offensive? Don't they matter?

One side doesn't have exclusive rights on being assholes.

[jenmito]

72. If you don't know I can't help you...

Why don't you just stop pretending to be a Democrat?

[MonkeyFunk]

77. I am a solid Democrat

you might've noticed that I'm one of the few people here that spends more time DEFENDING Democrats than tearing them down. Your advice is absurd.

And yes, you should explain. Are you saying that SOME offensive, childish pictures are OK but others aren't? Who gets to decide?

From where I'm sitting, you object to my picture because it offends YOU personally, and you're not giving any regard to others who might be offended by other pictures.

So tell me where the line is, and who gets to decide.

[jenmito]

84. You're a solid Hillary supporter.

No, I haven't noticed your posting patterns.

I'm saying that there's a difference between "childish" and "offensive."

Combining two people who are married is childish. Combining two people in which one is an enemy to all Americans is offensive.

[MonkeyFunk]

85. That's awfully subjective, don't you think?

Why not condemn ALL such pictures instead of only the one that offends you personally?

Edit: and if you think Clinton supporters are not Democrats, you're just so far 'round the bend it may not be healthy for you to pay attention to politics.

[rodeodance]

87. hey monkey--didn't you get the memo? If you are not a Obama Cultist you are

not worth the price of poop.

[MonkeyFunk]

88. the supreme irony

is these people REALLY think there's a huge right/left difference between Clinton and Obama.

[rodeodance]

90. irony indeed.

[redqueen]

94. No shit!

:crazy:

[rodeodance]

48. oh I am sure your post will get some 'outrage' .

[rodeodance]

49. I see you got 'disgusted' so far. Does that trump outrage?

[MonkeyFunk]

disgust doesn't quite rise to outrage

but it's very very close.

[rodeodance]

75. thanks. just wondering.

[MonkeyFunk]

79. Well I've gotten

a "beyond the pale". If you add that to "disgust" it's officially outrage-level.

[rodeodance]

82. ha ha. Cult-like behavior is hard to deal with.

[Catherine Vincent]

4. Hillary did give a speech after her loss in SC.

The news just broadcast Big Dog while he was at a rally because they probably knew folks like you would say that Bill was giving Hill's concession speech. And Big Dog called Kennedy because he's campaigning for his wife and he have known Kennedy for a long time. What's your problem with that?

[jenmito]

11. She held a townhall meeting/rally while Bill was the first out of the box to concede THEIR S.C. loss

My problem with that is because SHE'S the candidate. Not HIM. They both have known the Kennedys for a long time. It's sad that it's her husband, not her, who's taking over the roll of "candidate."

[Catherine Vincent]

40. As I said Big Dog is helping his wife with her campaign.

Deal with it!

[jenmito]

50. No he's not. He is doing her job.

And it's NOT helping. Deal with THAT!

[rodeodance]

56. More dreaming:~~~~ He is doing her job.~~~ in la la land.

[jenmito]

65. You're hopelessly blinded by the Clinton "light."

You can't see things for what they are.

[rodeodance]

71. and Obama's glitter will come off --and it is peeling already--the 'light' will shine for you

You're hopelessly blinded by the Clinton "light."

You can't see things for what they are.

[Catherine Vincent]

61. You really need to deal with the issues you have against the Clintons.

Barack Hussein Obama is your candidate. Post about him.

[jenmito]

68. Not only have I REPEATEDLY dealt with the issues I have against the Clintons,

I've dealt with and posted REPEATEDLY about Obama's positions that I like. (Nice RW talking point using his middle name). :eyes:

[Scout]

91. so we better not see or hear Michelle Obama then, eh?

no spouses helping!!

[jenmito]

96. We better not see her giving Barack's concession speeches, or calling politicians asking them to

endorse her husband, etc. Those things are not the job of the candidate's spouse.

[rodeodance]

52. It was the media that chose to give coverage to Bill first. Wonder why--do you

think they like to set up contraversy?

[rodeodance]

54. and recall it was the media who said Hill did not concede to obama--with a

apology after the news went around the world.


so so so many instances like this these two.

[jenmito]

58. Um, Bill SPOKE FIRST. Wonder why.

They're showing what happens in real time. Yeah-real controversy they're trying to set up.

[Catherine Vincent]

62. He didn't ask the cameras to play his speech live.

What is your problem?

[rodeodance]

73. he did have to ask--as the Kids glove approach to Obama media stepped in for him.

[jenmito]

76. OMG! You can't be serious! He COULD'VE waited 'til after Hillary spoke, OR he could've

requested that the media NOT play his speech until after Hillary made hers. (But why would he? It's all about HIM afterall).

[maddiejoan]

6. Why did the media

choose to cover a campaign rally in MO that was being handled by a candidate's spouse?

why is it wrong for a candidate's spouse to be placing calls for endorsements?

Why are you buying into the media's attempt to diminish Hillary?

[jenmito]

12. Get real...

Bill's doing the things Hillary should be doing. BILL'S diminishing Hillary.

[maddiejoan]

16. You get real

The MSM is making a concerted effort to prop up your candidate --and you are too blinded by your support to see they are setting him up for a huge fall.

[jenmito]

18. I AM real...

The MSM's doing nothing but reporting on what's happening. They show video of Bill Clinton making stupid comments, report that HE was the one trying to stop Ted Kennedy from endorsing Obama, and anything else that happens.

[maddiejoan]

24. sheeesh listen to you

just parroting back the MSM spin.

You are letting them frame everything and then you dutifully eat it all up with a spoon.

The MSM decides what to cover (or not cover) and they decide HOW it will be covered.

[jenmito]

28. Sheesh. Listen to YOU...

you have no idea what you're talking about when you say I'm parroting the MSM spin. Far from it. I get my ideas all by myself. When my candidate was Wes Clark last time, I was never accused of parroting any MSM spin because they hardly covered him. I am a big girl with a big mind and I'm using it.

[maddiejoan]

32. if you say so.

[jenmito]

35. I do.

"So." :)

[Omega3]

36. what maddiejoan said

i was shocked and totally dismayed by the MSM on Sat. night, I couldn't believe what I was seeing and hearing, they are completely in BO's corner, it was sad to see such partisinship. They are making Bill Clinton out to be some hate/ragemonger when it's completely untrue.

and I'm an Edwards supporter!

perhaps they feel they can do this
a. because they know he's way behind in all the big Super Tuesday states that count, (I'm not talking about Alabama or some red state that won't help us , you know, like open primary South Carolina where many republicons voted for who they felt was the weakest canadate)
b. b/c his supporters tend to be younger and newer to the political scene and will eat this bias up?
c. b/c they know he's a paper tiger who has been propped up ---he's only won in 2 red states one of which has an open primary and the other has a caucus system.

[jenmito]

39. Huh? Obama CRUSHED Hillary Sat. night! He EARNED that coverage. They're not "making"

Bill Clinton out to be ANYTHING. He IS doing things, NEGATIVE things, which naturally get covered. Video doesn't lie.

[maddiejoan]

86. Thank you

:)

[rodeodance]

80. that poster can't as it lives in DREAMLAND~~~

[cali]

10. oh stop.

this is bullshit. She's certainly ready to be president. I may not want her to be, but it's crap to say she isn't prepared and it's crap to say she's hiding behind her husband- and it's sexist crap.

[mtnsnake]

14. Exactly. Anyone who implies Hillary isn't competent for the job is just reaching for straws.

Like her or not, Hillary Clinton is at the very least a very competent candidate.

[jenmito]

17. I'm judging her by THEIR actions. I never said she's not COMPETENT, but that

it sure looks like she NEEDS Bill to "help" her.

[mtnsnake]

60. You said, "It's apparent that Hillary needs her husband to "help" her...poor thing"

If that's not saying she's incompetent, then what is?

[jenmito]

95. I'm NOT saying she's incompetent. I'm saying it's APPARENT she needs Bill to help her

and that's not saying she CAN'T do it on her own, but it APPEARS she needs her husband's help by the role he's playing in her campaign. She sends HIM to get votes in S.C., has HIM call Kennedy asking him not to endorse Obama, has HIM attacking Obama, etc.

She'd be doing better IMO if she ran WITHOUT his "help."

[jenmito]

15. Sorry, but it has nothing to do with the fact she may be ready to be president.

It has to do with the overshadowing, over the line actions of her husband.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Cali, you need to stop

People are allowed to call the race as they see it, and they don't need you stepping in to be their nanny.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

30. But we are ALL supposed to be Democrats

and this childish in-fighting is doing nothing to ensure that a Democrat will reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue next year, which SHOULD be the REAL goal of every last person here at DU.

[Joe the Revelator]

37. Thats all well and good, but not during the primarys

You have two viable candidates with two different groups of supporters and two different sets of ideals. Either you hash it out now, or you splinter the party for good.

[jenmito]

53. This is the PRIMARY. We ARE all Dems. And we all have different opinions about which

Dem. is the BEST Dem. to be our nominee.

But maybe you're right-let's just stop all the in-fighting and get behind Obama! :thumbsup:

[cali]

59. this is a discussion board. It's all about expressing your opinion

and ironically, you're the one being the thread nanny.

[Catherine Vincent]

64. You're not his type of Obama supporter Wolsh prefers..

:)

[LittleClarkie]

102. Indeed. We're free to express our opinions and Jenito is free to disagree

with our reaction.

I had the same one you did, actually. I think it's good to show that even as Obama supporters we can stand up for a different candidate if we don't like something.

[jenmito]

103. It proves that all Obama supporters don't "march in lock-step."

It's all good. :)

[rodeodance]

83. yup--you are there for the nanny role.

[jenmito]

29. Thanks, Wolsh.

:hi:

[Scout]

92. what cali said n/t

[I Have A Dream]

13. As someone who is still undecided, I can say that your efforts aren't helping...

your candidate.

x(

[jenmito]

19. Sorry, but I'm not trying to help my candidate. I'm pointing out what I see happening with

the Clintons and it's VERY unusual, and not in a GOOD way. Bill should let Hillary run for president. Instead, it sure looks like HE'S running for president-again.

[ecstatic]

21. in fairness, it seems kind of tacky to beg for your own endorsements

I see nothing wrong with a close adviser making those sorts of calls. :)

[jenmito]

23. That's how it works. The CANDIDATES seek/ask for people's endorsements. I've heard

candidates say MANY times that they've asked someone for their endorsement.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

26. Not a serious reason but an amusing mental image

He could have called Bill to punish him, after all Bill was likely the one who had to tell Hillary the news :P

[jenmito]

34. True...

it kind of reminds me of Cheney and Bush. Cheney is Bill and Bush is Hillary.

[Tulkas]

27. Because She Is A TERRIBLE Candidate, without Bill she would never have made it to the Senate

[Major Hogwash]

98. Bingo!

She's not even a good speaker.

[robbedvoter]

31. There was no "initial speech". Concession was timed for 9:30 - it was a rally in

Tennessee - MSNBC was covering - hoping for a scream or tears or something

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4222639&mesg_id=4222639

[jenmito]

97. "Initial" meaning "first." Bill gave the initial speech and he conceded just as Hillary later did.

Since when does the spouse of a candidate give a speech right after their spouse, the CANDIDATE, didn't win???

[CreekDog]

69. If Hillary had done well in South Carolina, the Clinton team would be talked of as "geniuses"

that didn't happen, ergo, all the criticism of the past 2 weeks followed by a humiliating defeat gets interpreted as repudiation of the tactics, those who used them and those who were in control.

that's the way it goes. they are pros, they've played this game.

too freakin' bad they get criticized when it turns out this way.

[jenmito]

99. I agree. This is the Clintons' game. They lower expectations, try their hardest to win no matter

how nasty the tactics, and then blame the media or try to minimize the importance of their loss, or claim "unbelievable comeback" if they win or even come close.

Yes. They deserve all the criticism they get.

[_Wayne_]

89. Who cares? Why even post this? Your anti-Clinton psychotic rage is so obvious

Get a life.

[jenmito]

100. HAHAHAHA! Yeah, my anti-Clinton psychotic rage!

:rofl: Nobody's forcing you to read this thread. It seems YOU'RE the one who needs to "get a life" since you're reading things you don't even care about. :hi:

[LittleClarkie]

93. I can see where you're going, countering "Obama is too inexperienced" BUT

this is too close to sexism for me.

Come on, we don't need to do this.

[jenmito]

101. Sorry, but I'm not saying this at ALL because she's a woman. I'd say the same thing if it was

Elizabeth Edwards doing the same things for her husband.