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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:27 AM
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What if it all came down to Florida again?
A scary hypothetical:

Without Florida's delegates, Obama has more than half of the remaining delegates. With Florida, it tips to Clinton.

So what does Obama do? If he fights to exclude Florida, he becomes the nominee, but likely writes off Florida in the GE, which would be suicidal. So does he become the losing nominee, or the also-ran of the winning party?

I think this situation will be avoided. I think the party will find a way to welcome the delegates, and long before the convention.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:31 AM
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1. Picking a fight with Florida in the primary just is political suicide.

Its mental, Clinton has worked this out. The others have not it seems.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:48 AM
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6. I can also see a lot of Floridians get
pissed that their delegates were excluded and take it out on the Party in Nov. That wouldn't be good.

I wouldn't be so glib about it being okay to forget about Fla. Nobody knows how the campaigns will go once we have a nominee. We should not get overconfident no matter how good our chances seem.
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:31 AM
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2. Neither of our candidates are winning FLA
I don't think Florida is really a swing state at this point. Ohio is much more so. We can still flip states like New Mexico, Virginia, Iowa, Arkansas, and Mississippi (kidding), so Florida isn't a deal breaker.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:32 AM
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3. I think you're very wrong
Florida is very winnable.
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:43 AM
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4. Wasn't even close in 2004.........
what makes you think we can win it in 2008? No polls please. Way too early for that.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:46 AM
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5. Bush got 52%
that's not an insurmountable lead.

And what all about the down-ticket races? Plenty of House seats at stake.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:57 AM
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7. The Democratic Presidential Candidate In FL
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 10:36 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
The Democratic presidential candidate in Florida has received in the last three presidential elections , approximately, the same percentage of the vote in Florida as he has received nationwide; 48%, 49% and 47%...
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 09:59 AM
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8. That was Kerry's fault
Edited on Mon Jan-28-08 09:59 AM by sunonmars
Clinton took Florida the last time, so Bill can be a huge advantage, i can't see Obama taking Florida whatsoever. Oldies and latino's will slaughter him there.

Thats the difference.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:01 AM
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9. Has more than half the remaining delegates?
What math did you use? The primaries aren't over. There have only been 5 primaries/caucuses so far. 174 delegates have been determined out of 4049.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 10:30 AM
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10. do you understand the words
"if" and "hypothetical"?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:37 PM
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11. You are basing it all on Florida. What if Florida does not play a part?
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