Ted Kennedy endorses Obama so what does Hillary hack Taylor Marsh do:

[ProSense]

Write a post about how JFK would have voted on Iraq:

Obama Would Have Voted For the Iraq War

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John F. Kennedy didn't want to talk about his relationship with the mob either.

Kennedy family endorsements of Obama are theirs to give, as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has given his to Clinton, and I won't get into the personal nature of it, but I will say that the comparisons to J.F.K. only cover a very small bit of terrain. Like John F. Kennedy, there can be no doubt that Barack Obama's rhetorical talents are inspiring and uplifting. But on experience, Obama doesn't measure up by half, if you only take in Kennedy's travels alone. The war hero aspect is another, especially Kennedy's deep skepticism about top military leaders at the time, which he witnessed first hand. Obama's military knowledge is miniscule in comparison. But there is one similarity that should give anyone pause moving forward. John F. Kennedy was a hawk through and through. Now, as I've said before, I don't think J.F.K. would have opted for preemptive war on Iraq, though he was clearly not squimish about regime change. It just didn't have enough in it for the U.S. In fact, I don't think Clinton, Obama or Edwards or any other Democrat would have chosen preemptive war with Iraq either. However, what would J.F.K. have done as a senator presented with the AUMF on Iraq is another question entirely. This really gets to why I think giving Obama any credit beyond his 2002 speech is not only silly, but ignores Obama's record and the facts.

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John F. Kennedy wouldn't have voted against the force resolution either. He was a Cold War hawk at heart. He matched the times in which he lived. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, would also have warned him that doing anything else would have gotten him labeled as "soft" and hurt his bid to be president.

We'll never know for sure, but every single instance in Barack Obama's career has him matching the times, calculating his stands, especially when votes would leave him or a colleague vulnerable. There is absolutely no evidence he wouldn't have done the same in the Senate on Iraq.

Looking only rhetoric deep at any politician is dangerous. Romanticizing them is too. When looking at Mr. Obama's record, given his lack of experience, especially when compared to Kennedy who was also an unabashed Cold War hawk, which met the times, it should give everyone pause when drawing comparisons. Because if Obama had met the times in 2002 as a senator, there's no reason, given his record, to believe he'd voted differently from Clinton, Edwards, Kerry and even Joe Biden. Obama would have opted for calculation. John F. Kennedy would have too.

JFK "didn't want to talk about his relationship with the mob either." WTF?

The meme grows: the Kennedy endorsement isn't important (wink, wink). And to Marsh's hack logic, maybe JFK would have voted against the Iraq resolution like his brother, you know the guy who endorsed Obama

Taylor Marsh's own words contradict her current swiftboating lies

Lying Clinton hack, Taylor Marsh, exposed by Las Vegas Sun

[thunder rising]

1. Hillary...It's all about me.

[Barack_America]

2. Well, that's what she's paid for, right? n/t

[dsc]

3. Kennedy was a huge hawk

I will admit I fail to see that as terribly relevant but it is undeniably true. Kennedy campaigned on a missle gap, had exiles invade Cuba, and swore to "bear any burden and pay any price" to defeat the Soviet Union.

[ellacott]

7. But the Soviets DID have WMDs

I also don't see it as relevant.

Just because you are against Iraq doesn't mean you are against all wars.

Taylor is an embarrassment.

[Adelante]

4. She's gone around the bend, that one nt

[Avalux]

5. What a moron - the article title precludes any serious consideration of the content.

:rofl:

[rufus dog]

6. Unbelievable

What next, taking a dump on the FDR memorial?

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

25. Marsh is so busy wallowing in her own excrement already

that it's doubtful she has much left to crap all over the FDR and JFK memorials. Though I wouldn't put it past her-- considering her thinly veiled racism, she's all but crapped all over the Lincoln memorial already.

[tammywammy]

8. ahh, good ol' Taylor Marsh

She never fails to amaze me.

[ursi]

9. I'll bet Taylor Marsh is getting paid by the Clinton campaign

[Little Star]

10. If the mob shoe fits wear it! He was pretty flippant in his

remarks about ruff and tumble Chicago politics. Patrick Fitzgerald hasn't been getting much sleep trying to clean up that place. I believe Rezko is most likely mob. Obama and wife have been personal friends with Rezko for years, he said on Stephanopolus this am. He said Rezko is a nice person. Yeah a lot of people liked Bugsy too but he was not really a nice person.
Birds of a feather, etc. It certainly makes one wonder.

[Tellurian]

12. And my Dad always said: "You run with dirty dogs, you come home with fleas!"

The 17yrs are self-explanatory!

[ProSense]

13. That's what happened to Hillary yesterday in SC. n/t

[Tellurian]

15. The reference was to Obama and Rezko...

Big Dog is keeping them honest!

[ProSense]

17. This

Big Dog?

SC responded to his version of "honest."

[cali]

22. ha ha. Norman Hsu, Paul, Rich

and the beat of Clinton money corruption goes on and on and on and on.

Clintonians are unfuckingbelievable. That's some major hypocrisy.

[madrchsod]

19. rezko is most likely mob? really?

interesting insight into the inner workings of the chicago outfit

[karynnj]

11. She has really gone arounfd the bend on that one.

Ignoring the attack on the Kennedys,

Obama was against the war and said so at the time in extremely strong words. It made sense for him to diffuse a question in 2004 that as he didn't know what was in the intelligence, he didn't know how he would have voted. As Kerry said, Obama wanted to avoid a sound bite that could have hurt the campaign. It was a generous thing to do.

Clinton then went on and said that Obama had said in July 2004 that his position on Iraq was similar to Bush. The full paragraph showed that he was saying he was similar to Bush in the goal of leaving a stable Iraq, but his position on how to get it was entirely different and like Kerry's supported intense regional diplomacy. In fact, in 2004, his position of what to do going forward was like Kerry's, which the media later mentioned were like what the Iraq Study Group recommended - which was not what the Bush administration has done to this day.

In addition, Obama almost certainly would have voted No on the IWR and he was against the invasion when it happened as was Kerry. Kerry picked him because he liked what he could bring to the convention.

[creeksneakers2]

16. Its easy for Obama to say he would have voted against it

Obama wasn't facing any pressure at all. US Senators who voted against the war faced being called traitors and faced being run out of office like Max Cleland was. The atmosphere was one in which the Dixie Chicks were run out of the music business just for making a negative comment about George Bush.

Obama was honest when said he wasn't sure because he didn't see the intelligence. He might have been fooled. He might have chickened out. He might have done the right thing. Its hard to know.

[joshcryer]

18. No one in this thread will understand the sensiblity of this post.

Unfortunately.

[karynnj]

21. I agree - but TM takes it a step further to say he would have

using Obama honesty and - as Kerry credited him - with providing some cover for him and Edwards. If you haven't, listen to Kerry's response on This Week. Kerry was there in 2004 and had met with Obama and knew where he stood. Kerry is supporting and defending Obama, but his comments on this include an honesty and humbleness that are real. The point is that Bill Clinton was portraying this as a fip flop - which it wasn't.

The second issue is where the real lie is and it is a repeat of the Rove lie in 2004 - that Kerry and Bush had the same plan going forward. Kerry's point one was always an intense effort at regional diplomacy via a summit that he would start to arrange as soon as he won. Is that what Bush did? Did Kerry call for Rumsfeld to go? Obama, in his full comments agree with Bush only on the goal to leave a stable Iraq. Like Kerry, he spoke of bringing in the international community more and diplomacy. (As to getting more international help - remember that Rice and Bush rejected the training of Iraqis in Egypt, Jordan, France and Germany which all told Kerry on his post election ME and Europe trip that they would train them in their country - to jump start the Iraqi forces.)

[Nedsdag]

14. Wow!

It's tough when people go off their medication.

Well, Taylor, here's something you can use instead:



Buckle up!

[Garbo 2004]

20. Taylor Marsh, 11/2005: J.F.K. would have deplored preemption, RFK would have voted no

John F. Kennedy would have deplored preemption. That's one reason Carolyn Kennedy Schlossberg was so furious during the 2004 election when Terror Guy used her dad's name for his cause, verbally slapping him down like a nat.

Of course, he was one of the most politically astute individuals around, so I can't say what he might have done in the Senate. J.F.K. would have known better than to look weak. He'd learned a valuable lesson from watching his dad, who rightly lost his power through appeasing Hitler. J.F.K. was the polar opposite of his papa. So, I will also say that his vote would be a point of very interesting debate, though we will never know. However, President John F. Kennedy would have made an altogether different decision and it wouldn't have been preemption. Others may disagree, but I feel confident in my studies to state it plainly, emphatically. As an aside, Robert F. Kennedy would have voted no, wherever his power lay, in the Senate or in the White House.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=1361

And Ted Kennedy actually voted no on the IWR.

Wonder what column Marsh would have written if Teddy & Caroline had endorsed Hillary instead of Obama?

[Enrique]

23. pretty lame

I hate when people do this, twist history or science or whatever for petty partisan ends.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

24. Marsh has the maturity of a 5-year-old

except that's an insult to 5-year-olds nationwide. She's so embarrassingly off-key, and transparently moronic in her knee-jerk attacks on anyone who endorses Edwards or Obama, that it's clear she has little to no capability to function as an adult in this world and weigh evidence from multiple sides-- including facts that are inconvenient for her.

One word describes Marsh above all else: LOSER. She whines and whines when she doesn't get what she wants on a damn silver platter.

While most of us, no matter what candidate we support, have to actually contribute something to society and to deal with situations that we don't always find favorable, Marsh basically tries to make money sounding off like a gust of flatulent hot air. It makes one wonder whether she's ever worked an honest job in her life, because nobody who's actually had to survive in this country would have such a sense of petulant entitlement as Taylor Marsh except for, oh, that's right, the Clintons themselves.

I'd like to see Marsh's show boycotted and cancelled, and Marsh herself tossed out on her ass and forced to actually work for a living. She is a waste of perfectly legitimate radio waves.

[ProSense]

26. Agree! n/t