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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:16 AM
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DEAN FOLK - Check in with your 2008 primary support
OK DEAN PEOPLE - Who do you like for 2008? We pretty much have three pretty good candidates.

Hillary Clinton - She has the corporations, including WalMart, Rupert Murdoch (News corp / FOX), and diebold supporting her. She has the unbeatable Big Dog out campaigning for her and she has the cash and experience to go the distance. I think she has the best bet of getting into the White House.

Barack Obama - Against the Iraq war from the start, not just when the war became unpopular. Full of hope and able to take all the slimy cheap shots that BigDog can throw at him.

John Edwards - Like an electable Dennis Kucinich, Edwards has made a sharp left turn. He apologized for his shitty Iraq war support, supports universal health care, and understands that we need to fight the military industrial complex (corporate rule of America = fascism).

I must admit that I would love to see Edwards get the nod. I will support Obama if it looks like he can stop Hillary. I live in NY and know that my electoral vote will go the the nominated Democrat. I would like to support someone that opposes the drug war and will avoid war with Iran (I am smart enough to understand that we will never be able to leave Iraq).

Dean people - Who do you support in 2008?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:17 AM
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1. Hillary Clinton
is my choice for President. O8)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:23 AM
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4. I have news for you my friend
As a Dean supporter I was surprised that Dean was able to secure the establishment support in my local area. It was amazing to see almost all elected Dems and Dem leaders support Dean (they were either supporting Dean or Leiberman in my neck of the woods).

HRC has all the establishment support. There is no grassroots movement, outside of Ron Paul and some stirrings of third way Bloomberg hopefuls.

So long story short, I can't imagine anyone being able to stop the Clintons. I would bet my last dollar that HRC will be the next president.

It must be nice to be on the winning side. :patriot:
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:52 PM
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48. I sure hope I'm on the winning side.
We sure did worked 24/7 for Dean! That included our soul sacrificial oath to "Take Back America".

I still believe by the way but with eyes wide open. I learned that our idea's, as noble as they were, are not enough but only a part of the equation. To move forward and to make progress you have to start with the group pack/ majority then spread the boundaries of that group outward towards a progressive "target" instead of the ultimate goal.

To be able to listen, negotiate and bargain is how the progress is made. Listen to the opposition, instead of the in your face, read this style. Validate their ideas, then, share yours; one can evoke thought and then choice from the opposition to ponder.....It's like dealing with a "Borderline Personality Disorder"....

Hillary is the " Mother of our Nation", we just don't know it yet.

Heck, just look how great Chelsea turned out.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:57 PM
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64. Edwards
I will vote for the Democrats in the general. Still am a big Dean fan.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:22 AM
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2. See avatar
NT
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:24 AM
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6. Obama
pretty cool - he seems very popular.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:23 AM
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3. Edwards
More every day, watching the other two.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:24 AM
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5. Obama
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:41 AM
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7. I will support Hillary Clinton. She will
make mincemeat out of the Republicans. I am tired of the pundits and so-called journalists pontificating about her and her husband. He was great as president and I think Hillary will follow. She cares about this country. So much of what has been said about her and her husband is nothing but things taken out of context and comes from her detractors. The media will still try to elect someone else for us. It has become one pundit outpunditing another pundit.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:42 AM
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8. Obama
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mathewsleep Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:44 AM
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9. o
bama
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:47 AM
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10. Obama
A recent Dean fan, over his support for Kerry, when few Dems came on board waiting for Hillary, and his work on the 50 state strategy.

Clintons feeling they were owed this, working against Kerry with a book tour not honest about him but and agreeing with Bush everywhere (ie not promoting change), and connections then and now working for that same end. Election night stragey revelations, and more, not deserving. Strength of longtime connections unfair advantage.

Edwards is revisionist about 2004, and taking positions sure to appeal to primary voters when easy. Each election revving up populist rage and hopes. His voting record not exemplary when it counted and more difficult.

Obama is nimble, thoughtful and inclusive. A fresh start we need. When we can't change as dramatically and as fast, he will be able to talk honestly about where we are, need to go, and how. He will be believed. Symbolism alone around the world immeasurable.
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DiscussTed Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:49 AM
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11. Edwards
I am 60% for Edwards, down from 80% a month ago.

I am 40% for Obama up from 5% a month ago.

I am 0% for The Clintons down from 15% a month ago.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:06 AM
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13. Absolutely Edwards. Would be OK with Barack Obama, ultimately
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:13 PM
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62. except for the miniscule prior support of hillary
that's me to a t....still crossing my fingers for edwards, but it's looking unlikely.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:59 AM
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12. Obama
The clintons/DLC will just show Dean the door.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:16 AM
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14. 1) Edwards 2) Obama n/t
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chiggerbit Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:22 AM
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15. Edwards
The Clintons sucked the party far more to the right than it had ever been, which benefitted themselves personally (not sure it did the rest of party). Edwards has managed to very skillfully pull the party back to the progressive side of the spectrum, so he wins my vote for his subtle but effective impact on Dem politics.

Pay attention, Congress, a revolt is brewing. Too many of us out here are seeing Dem and Repug as two sides of the same coin.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:34 AM
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16. Edwards
I'm finding it amusing on the one hand to see a replay of 2004 here among the HRC and BO supporters.

It is as if they have willfully shut their eyes to the political history in the US since 2000.

I'd called it in 2000 re: Hillary preparing for 2004/08
as well as Barack in 2004 in prep for 2008. Folks laughed and were disdainful. Methinks the majority of those are currently supporting HRC and BO at the moment.

Nothing like being snookered and then relishing in it.

Now, on the other hand, I'm pretty disappointed in seemingly intelligent people rolling around in the mud over their candidates. What's next? More madrasa accusations? HRC doing crack? Vince Foster?

The current attacks on HRC, BO and their families are quite pathetic.

Hence I'm hoping for a brokered convention.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:36 AM
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17. Dean in 2004. Obama now.
;)
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:37 AM
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18. Clinton. Edwards is a close 2nd (just like 2004!)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:39 AM
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19. Obama
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:40 AM
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20. Edwards
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:40 AM
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21. obama / edwards
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:42 AM
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22. John Edwards
thanks for asking :hi:
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:45 AM
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23. Still somewhat undecided but leaning to HRC. nt
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:46 AM
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24. Deaniac forever. Obama in 08. NT
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:14 PM
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65. kick
:hi:

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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:49 PM
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25. No true Deaniac would ever support Hillary Clinton
The Clinton DLC continue to attack Howard Dean at every opportunity as they have since he launched his presidential campaign in 2003. They try to steal credit for his successes, such as the 50 state strategy, and blame him for their failures, like this Florida/Michigan fuckup.

I was a Kucinich supporter until Friday, when Dennis didn't leave me any other option. I switched to Edwards as the most progressive of the available candidates, though I have concerns about his platform now, not matching his past record. However, if you looked at Al Gore around 1988 and compared that guy to the man who won a Nobel Prize recently, it's proof that people can change, once they get away from the lies of the DLC.

Some people see a little bit of Dean in Obama. I hear it in his speeches, but don't see it in his talk of "unity" which only seems to be reaching from the center to the right, and ignoring the true base of the Democratic party. If Obama is the nominee, he will have my vote in November, but I hope he is able to convince me that he deserves it. Hillary isn't capable of doing so.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:19 PM
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55. True that.
The DLC is like a cancer in the party.
A MALIGNANT one.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:51 PM
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26. I'm undecided but leaning toward Edwards.
Not having a horse in the race this year has been so nice. :)
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:51 PM
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27. 1-Obama 2-Edwards nt.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:52 PM
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28. Edwards only
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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:53 PM
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29. It has switched
Originally it was Edwards, but since I've gotten a better idea of who Obama is, I am supporting him. I cannot support another Bush/Clinton in the White House. Its time for change.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 09:28 PM
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49. I like both Edwards and Obama too
:kick:
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:53 PM
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30. Obama
Wanted Gore to run, realized he would not and moved to Obama.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:53 PM
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31. John Edwards
:hi:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:54 PM
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32. Obama, unless Gore wins a deadlocked convention.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:55 PM
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33. Barack
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:56 PM
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34. Obama
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:56 PM
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35. Anybody But Clinton.
Though I will eventually vote for the nominee, even if it is Clinton.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:04 PM
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38. Edwards, Obama, write-in (In that order).
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:57 PM
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36. The progressive populist.
Edwards. He's the Dean of 2008.
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:03 PM
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37. Obama.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:07 PM
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39. Obama
Our family voted for him yesterday.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:07 PM
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40. Not who, but what- a brokered convention
Gore/Dean in 08.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:12 PM
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41. First Kucinich and now Edwards
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:13 PM
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42. Edwards! Go John Go! nt
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:22 PM
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43. "Like" Is An Awfully Strong Word
Let's say I'm leaning towards Edwards and leave it at that.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:23 PM
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44. My first ever presidential vote went to Howard Dean in the 2004 Utah primary. I am supporting Obama.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:23 PM
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45. Kucinich
Edwards is probably my second choice.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:26 PM
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46. Pragmatic Hillary like pragmatic Dean
Although Howard didn't have to vote in the Senate
like Obama didn't on Iraq and I agree with their
anti-war opposition, time has moved on from that
initial invasion. Someone has to deal with the
aftermath, an embassy larger than the Vatican and
permanent military bases. That means redeployment
but occupation for however long that means to
the stability of the region.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:30 PM
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47. Dean and Obama wasn't/isn't up to the job.
As much as I liked/like the pragmatism and anti-war
stance of Dean and the speechmaking of Obama, I don't
think either is up to the job of the President of
the U.S.

And as much as I had stars in my eyes for Dean and gave
him more money than I have any other candidate and
can see people looking at Obama in the same way...reality
checks are needed for both.

Dean's done a great job with the training and 50 state
strategies, but he's a lousy speaker. Obama's a great
speaker and not so great at the details.

Hillary is good at both. And it would be a thrill to
have our first female President.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:34 PM
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58. Dean not a good speaker?
Perhaps you never heard him speak.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 05:39 PM
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63. I've heard him plenty of times...he fumbles and is stilted
I love the guy but speaking wasn't his strong suit.
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:43 PM
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50. Edwards
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:00 PM
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51. Hillary Clinton in 2008
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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:01 PM
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52. Obama!
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FredfromSpace Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:04 PM
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53. John Edwards.
Will support the nominee in the general, albeit reluctantly, if Edwards ends up losing.


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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:18 PM
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54. The Democrat.
Some Hillary supporters here are REALLY
making a bad showing, though. Rude and
pushy, they make it hard to be sympathetic
to their candidate, who already has a problem
with her cynical, hair-splitting votes and
republican-like, ends justify the means mentality.

Obama is too preachy and untried, but I like
his anti-war history.

Edwards is .... boring and wants us to believe
that he is the opposite of what he was in 04.


I agree with your assessment, with the exception of Hillary
having the best bet of getting into the White House. I believe
she has the best bet of getting the dem nomination, but in
match-ups, I think she fares the worst of our candidates.
She is polarizing. Pukes, independents AND lots of democrats
dislike her INTENSELY.

I will vote for the democrat.

Personally, I'm hoping for the brokered convention -- big drama -- why the hell not!
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:22 PM
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56. Obama - and I was a Deanie too!
Good to see you here.

Let's not forget that we owe the now Democratic majority Congress largely to the work of our man Howard.

PRAISE BE UNTO HIM.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:40 PM
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57. Ramen!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:35 PM
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59. Dean in 2004, Obama in 2008. n/t
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:06 PM
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60. Obama !!! nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:09 PM
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61. Edwards.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:15 PM
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66. Obama.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:16 PM
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67. No one
The people I actually liked either never joined in or have dropped out already. I dislike the front-runners to an equal degree.

I'll just say I'm hoping for a brokered convention that nominates Wes Clark :-)
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 07:16 PM
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68. Obama
Grassroots all the way!

That was Dean and now is his 50 state strategy.
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