When the MSM reports something that is negative towards Clinton it is accepted without thought.

[xultar]

When the MSM reports something positive for Obama is is accepted without consideration.

What happened to the times when the MSM didn't know shit. What happened to those days when the MSM had a RW bias.

When they say something we like about our candidate we love them. When they say something negative about our opponent we love them more.

When they say something we don't like about our candidate we hate them. When they say something positive about our opponent we despise them.

OK. I get it.

So far Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough and Novakula have all been quoted and the people posting it agreed with it without a doubt.

But if it had been something about their candidate in the negative...they would have called them right wing hacks.

Go figure.

DU has lost all credibility.

[Catherine Vincent]

1. You're not allowed to speak negative against Obama.

You should know that by now.

[Zensea]

2. Lost?

When?
Had?
When?
There are levels DU still has credibility, but there are levels on which it lost it, I'd say, a long time ago.
There have always been elements of extreme cheerleading at this place right from the beginning, which is all you're really talking about.
Sometimes it doesn't seem much different than how people approach their favorite football team.
Just now noticed it?
I kind of doubt it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. Well, I don't know how that feels, because none of them are talking

about my candidate.

Like usual.

[xultar]

5. I know that too. I was a Clark supporter in 2k4. Remember no one believed us when

we said they were ignoring our guy.

Now you see what we were talking about.

[Atman]

13. Actually, they covered JE's speech...MSNBC cut away a few minutes into Hillary's.

That surprised and actually upset me. Why didn't they feel Clinton's speech was worthy of covering? Seems pretty unfair, even if she is my third choice for the nomination.

.

[xultar]

14. The MSM, they have balls. They are deciding what is news. They put Bill on

to see if they could get some reaction about how bad things were going in SC for Hillary.

Trying to make news...they fucked up and caused some idiots to think that he was giving her concession speech.

Technically they shouldn't have put his ass on. HE was @ a rally. So now people are twisting and spinning their fucked up news making tactics into some anti-hillary bill-co president bullshit. The Clinton's had no power over that and now it will be fodder for conversation to be used in the negative.

that irks me.

[Atman]

17. I agree. Bad form.

:banghead:

The media in this country SUCKS.

.

[Atman]

4. Actually, Xultar, you're losing credibility. This was a HUGE night.

I'm sorry you're missing out or feeling cheated. I saw an entirely different broadcast, and Hillary Clinton is third on my list. I saw Buchanan getting LAUGHED AT for his ridiculous assertions about the Clintons. I love you, man (or woman), but this isn't about Hillary bashing. Obama's speech tonight was the most moving I've seen in my adult life. It gave me goose bumps, and it nearly brought me to tears. AND I'M AN EDWARDS SUPPORTER.

But dammit, Obama hit it home tonight. It reminded me so much of the strong cries for change and calls for hope I heard in the sixties. It made me totally rethink my reasons for disliking Obama. Perhaps this is the man who really CAN unite us and bring some change. Is he perfect? Hell no. But contrast that speech with Hillary Clinton's lackluster non-concession. Xultar, we can all respect your support, but it's time to wake up to the change that is happening, that HAS TO HAPPEN in this country. Change. I, and most of America, already have Clinton fatigue, and they're not even in the White House yet. We can't have that and move forward. We simply cannot. It's time to start seeing the future.

Man...I can't believe I just said all that...I'm not abandoning support for Edwards. But as of tonight I'm not nearly as resistant to Obama in the GE either.

.

[xultar]

6. I'm not even talking about tonight. i'm talking about in general. I'm not even following the SC

primary on Teevee. I'm watching the SCiFi Channel.

There is some hot guy from back in the day on it. I couldn't pass his hot ass up.

What I'm saying is back in the day we would have panned Those RW MSM types. But since they are saying shit
favorable to the more popular candidate we are believing them

that is pretty fucked up.

[Atman]

11. Ooh...how did Ghost Voyage turn out?

Or whatever it was called. I watched it for a bit, but being a political junkie I had to turn back and get my fix.

BTW...if you're not watching the primary coverage, why did YOU accept at face value all the crit you're claiming the Hillary bashers accepted? I just didn't see it that way at all. Buchanan was roundly laughed off the set with his ridiculous assertions that this whole night just played into the Clinton's hands.

.

[xultar]

12. It looks stupid. But um...who is that guy Antonio Sabato Jr. is in it...

so I am so lovin that shit right now.

I'd hit it (him) so hard I'd shatter his pelvis region.

[mzmolly]

31. You are too FUNNY Xultar.

:D

[jasmine621]

16. So a concession speech is supposed to give you goose bumps?

This night is huge for Obama and probably his last "huge" night of the campaign because I don't know of anyother state in which the registered Dem voters are 60% African American.

I give Obama his props and still realize that this SC outcome was largely due to the African American vote going over 80% for Obama, thanks to the race-baiting MSM that has convinced African American voters that their once admired and respected Clintons have somehow, overnight become racist.

When the dust settles and a Republican is back in the WH and the Dem super majority in the Congress that could have been becomes the real casuality of this Rovian-media ploy, I am sure the Clinton haters will join the MSM as they proclaim it was all the Clintons' fault that the Dems lost both the WH and the much needed super majority in the Congress. I can't imagine how the disunity will affect the congressional elections but I don't think it will be nice.

[Atman]

19. Enough with the "Clinton haters" bullshit. That is soooo fucking juvenile.

You just sound like a spoiled kid throwing the checkers board up in the air because the game isn't going your way. You "Clinton lovers" don't realize that type of whining cry-baby bullshit is PRECISELY why you got your asses handed to you tonight.

.

[Catherine Vincent]

20. Please read this:

"Bill Clinton is a sleaze"-DU poster

"Bill Clinton is a slimy piece of shit!"-DU poster

"The Clinton's are filthy!"-DU poster

"The Clinton's are sleazy asshats."-DU poster

"Bill Clinton and his wandering peepee"-DU poster

And on and on and on. Clinton-hate is the same here as it is on FR.

[VotesForWomen]

23. historically, there have been quite a few very bad leaders who were very good speakers. that being

that being said, i don't think he is a good speaker; he is very preachy, but then again, i guess this appeals to a lot of people. btw, he won a primary; the race isn't quite over yet.

[creeksneakers2]

7. On NBC News Tonight

They spent about 10 minutes on the feud between Hillary, Edwards and Obama. The GOP is fighting with each other too. NBC gave that story about 10 seconds.

16 years of slander against the Clintons and the media never questioned the accusers. Every attack the Clintons make gets analyzed for fairness. I think this is a big part of what is making Bill angry. Its hurting the party too.

[xultar]

10. True.

[VotesForWomen]

24. here's what happened on MSNBC tonight:

I was just watching MSNBC’s SC primary coverage on free-to-air satellite (this is network feeds, public stations, foreign stations, etc.) , while bill clinton was making a statement. During this statement the camera was on joe scarborough; his microphone was on so you could hear him talking at the same time as clinton was speaking; you could also see that contempt on his face. He was saying something along the lines of “he’s talking about himself. he’s talking about his presidential library… can you believe this…” at one point he uttered the F word, but nevermind. What really got me was that somewhere in the speech Clinton said something like “the campaign is looking forward to going into super Tuesday when millions of people will vote…” and a woman sitting to the left of scarborough said “Millions of WHITE people.” Some of you who get the real MSNBC may be able to say who this woman is, but she wasn’t on camera, so I don’t know who it was. Anyway, people keep saying that the Clintons are playing the race card, but if they can’t even say they’re looking forward to millions of people voting on super Tuesday without being accused (by the media, at least) of racism, it seem like they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

[robbedvoter]

8. I am still trying to figure - what did he say that was "racial attack"?

Echo chamber includes DU

[rucky]

15. Every time i'm on here, there's an outrage du jour, and...

I always have to play catch-up to figure out what all the fuss is over. Then I find out what it was, and half the time I already saw that quote/story back when it came out and didn't think anything of it. People here (all sides) are either seriously dishonest, or have zero comprehension skills. Or the dishonest ones are counting on the lazy ones to perpetuate the bullshit.

[robbedvoter]

26. Reminds me of the finding of WMD in Iraq: there they are - um, maybe not.

Look over there - not really. Of course - the "not really were in small print - or in the Guardian UK, while the finds - headline. Lots of people believe we found them

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Bill is not so unskilled as to ever make a blatant racial attack.

But at the last minute before today's primary he did try to pre-empt a loss for Hillary by noting that Jackson won two primaries in SC -- thus implying that Obama is just another black candidate who will fade come supertuesday.

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. I agree.

[swoop]

21. That's what happens between the right and the left.

If a leftwinger does something, it's right. If a rightwinger does something it's wrong. Those two positions are accepted, sight unseen. I wish the demonizing would stop.

That's why I prefer Obama. I think that's why a lot of people do.

[creeksneakers2]

25. That's backward

For example - The right wing told lies about the Clintons for 16 years. All the lies were debunked. Never once was an accuser questioned about the accusations.

The Clinton go a couple of months throwing charges they can't completely back up. Every one of them gets reported and the Clintons are held up for a thorough examination.

I wish the demonizing of the right wing would start. They get away with murder. MoveOn.org is national news for one word in one ad on one day and the news is reported for a week. The entire right wing media spreads nothing but lies and hatred for decades and the MSM always looks the other way.

[robbedvoter]

27. Yup. that about sums it up. Only now DU, Air America - everything is caught

in the MSM MO. I have almost no place left to check the facts (except videos on you tube)

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

22. It's just human nature, I'm afraid

We tend to overestimate the importance of statements that back up our own opinions, and underestimate statements that oppose our opinions. The only thing you can do is listen to as many opinions as you can find, and consider the messenger in each case.

[robbedvoter]

28. The problem is the sheer inequality of "news" backing only one set of "opinions"

- you know the ditty - your entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.
I feel my sources for facts are shrinking fast.
I used to be able to listen to a few shows on Air America - now they all sound like Tweety.

[HughMoran]

29. I agree on your bottom line

Something is up & I'm not sure how we're going to work through it.

[Hidden Stillness]

30. I Have to Agree With This

I have to agree that there is something very odd about the way they are covering this campaign, as over and over, the exact same circumstances, if done by Obama, are presented as "good," and if done by Hillary Clinton, are "bad." If Hillary Clinton vows to cooperate with Republicans, most people, (correctly, I think), call her a semi-Republican "D"LC corporatist anyway; if Obama--bizarrely--praises Ronald Reagan and Republicans for all their "ideas," (which I took as a frightening statement that came out of newhere), then this only "proves" that Obama is a "great leader" who will "bring the country together," etc. The same behavior--not investigated, just "characterized" on the spot. The quickly worked-up "Clintons racist" routine was also very strange--first, a comment obviously referring to Obama's voting record on Iraq-related issues was hyped as if it laughed at Obama's campaign for President, ("fairy tale"), and no one corrected it. Hillary Clinton is asked about the Voting Rights Act and correctly notes that the oppressed cannot enact legislation on their own, and gives credit to the often ignored Lyndon Johnson, and although it was very badly done--with an arrogant sounding, "It took a President to get it done," I think it was--the fake explosion of outrage at the RACIST, RACIST remark, (especially after Obama's South Carolina campaign chief released, quickly, a five-page paper to the media, detailing all of the Clintons' recent RACIST, RACIST remarks, again, not criticized, although as calculated as anything the Clintons have ever done), James Cklyburn, who I ordinarily have a lot of respect for, suddenly jumps in and claims to be highly disturbed by all of this--why?--and after vowing not to endorse any candidate, suddenly "just cannot" support Clinton, right before the primary. All of the media has been playing it as the Clintons having started the ugliness of this situation--all of them. Meanwhile, the extremely bigoted, all-white-male Republican Party totally escapes the issue completely, as it is pretended to be a Democratic problem only! The issue of women, women's anger at the male media's treatment of Hillary Clinton and how that won her New Hampshire is also ignored.

I was not a fan of either Clinton before--by any stretch--and still am not, and think Hillary Clinton is still getting bad advice and sounds totally corporate, (not a thing to do if you are trying to win the votes of women), but I will agree, that the coverage has been so totally unfair, so sexist, that I am completely outraged by it and all the all-male media, every day this goes on.

[Thrill]

32. So you think MSM is hard on her now? Wait do you think is going to happen if she wins the nomination

She has no chance in a GE. The Repukes have wanted her for 10+ yrs and the media isn't exactly crazy about her.