Clinton camp: Obama campaign "kneecapping" us

[jackson_dem]

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Not to be outdone in the complaining-about-dirty-tricks-department, Hillaryland has posted a list of alleged Obama's nasty statements on NAFTA, Bill's paid speeches and the Clintons reported "20-year pact of ambition" to rule the universe.

"Senator Obama and his campaign have engaged in the very kind of political kneecapping and distortion that they now purport to detest," reads the intro.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/obama_kneecapping_us_clinton_c.html

Here is the Hillary campaign's release.


WHO'S DISTORTING THE FACTS?

1/24/2008 3:52:43 PM

Senator Obama often says that his campaign is about the “politics of hope” and talks about how he isn’t running to tear anyone down. It would be nice if that were true but unfortunately, it’s not. For months, Senator Obama and his campaign have engaged in the very kind of political kneecapping and distortion that they now purport to detest. That’s not change you can believe in.

SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED HILLARY SAID NAFTA WAS A 'BOON' TO THE ECONOMY LAST YEAR. At the last debate, Sen. Obama said "And it is absolutely true that NAFTA was a mistake. I know that Hillary on occasion has said -- just last year said this was a boon to the economy." Sen. Obama and his campaign have made the claim repeatedly, even though it is well established that she never said it.

THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN FALSELY CLAIMED THAT BILL CLINTON GAVE A PAID SPEECH ABROAD ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11. Actually, he was attending a 9/11 memorial service in New Jersey.

SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMS HE 'NEVER SAID THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO GO AHEAD AND GET SINGLE PAYER' HEALTH CARE. There is video from a campaign appearance in 2003 that shows him doing just that.

THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN FALSELY CLAIMED HILLARY HAD A 20 YEAR PLAN TO BECOME PRESIDENT. This is a widely discredited claim from an anti-Hillary book.

SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED THAT HE DOESN'T TAKE MONEY FROM SPECIAL INTERESTS. Obama told the Culinary Workers, "The time has come to tell all the fat cats and the special interests in Washington that their money and their influence don't speak louder than our collective voices. They don't own our government. We do, and we're here to take it back. Those special interests they didn't fund my campaign they will not run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of the American people, working people when I'm President of the United States of America." In fact, Sen. Obama has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from insurance industry, the banking industry, and others.

OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED THAT HILLARY SAID 'TOUGH AND DIRECT DIPLOMACY' WAS 'NAÏVE AND IRRESPONSIBLE.' Actually, Hillary said that she would not pre-commit to personal meetings with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea in the first year of her presidency. She also explicitly promised "a very vigorous diplomatic effort" with all nations, including Iraq.

OBAMA CLAIMS 'NO ONE HAD AN INKLING' THAT REZKO HAD LEGAL AND ETHICAL TROUBLES DURING THE COURSE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP. Actually, prior to his controversial land deals, prior to land deal, news reports clearly indicated Rezko's troubles, including involvement in kickback scheme.

SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED THAT HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON SAID HE 'WASN'T OPPOSED TO THE WAR FROM THE START.' Neither Hillary or Bill Clinton has ever said that. They have noted his quotes and record after his speech opposing the war in 2002.

SEN. OBAMA CLAIMS HE HAS A 'UNIVERSAL' HEALTH CARE PLAN. Top health care experts agree that his plan leaves 15 million people out.

SEN. OBAMA DENIED THAT THE CO-CHAIR OF HIS NEW HAMPSHIRE CAMPAIGN WAS A PHARMACEUTICAL LOBBYIST. His New Hampshire co-chair, Jim Demers, was a pharmaceutical lobbyist.

SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED THAT HILLARY COULD ORDER THE RELEASE OF ALL HER WHITE HOUSE RECORDS. The process is actually controlled by the National Archives.

SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED HE HAD NEVER DONE ANY FAVORS FOR REZKO. As a state senator, Barack Obama wrote letters to city and state officials supporting his political patron Tony Rezko's successful bid to get more than $14 million from taxpayers to build apartments for senior citizens.


http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5470

[DJ13]

1. Is she gonna tear up again?

:eyes:

[VotesForWomen]

63. only if obama doesn't stop shucking and jiving. sexism OK, racism not, right? please,

if any poster here seriously made a racist comment similar to the sexist line above, the obama folks would be the ones doing the crying. and re. the clinton camp fighting back and showing the truth about obama's dirty tricks, all the while talking about ending 'politics as usual;' if obama can't take the heat, let him get out of the kitchen.

[jefferson_dem]

2. Bill said "hit job" and now the campaign says "kneecapping."

Hmmmm...

Slimy fuckers.

[iconocrastic]

37. To know what the Clintons are doing, just listen to what they're saying about their enemies

Yes, they do have an enemies list. But everyone already knows that.

[Occam Bandage]

3. What a bunch of whiners.

[jefferson_dem]

5. The big bad ClintonInc machines whimpers about Obama's truth-telling.

Poor babies... :cry:

[grantcart]

4. lol this was the best they could come up with?

Well if Hillary Clinton cant get those whimps at the National Archives to release her own papers then why would we put her in charge of the largest bureacracy in the world?

[chascarrillo]

6. Just think about what the GOP will do to Clinton

They'll attack her with ten times the venom. We can't afford a candidate who will whine and buckle under pressure like this.

[jasmine621]

7. Just think what HC will to the Republicans. nt

[jackson_dem]

8. They have for 16 years and she has withstood it

Compare that to Obama. His record was questioned on national television once and he cried about Hillary doing to him what he had done to her and Edwards for a year.

[iconocrastic]

40. She hasn't withstood it. She is as transparent as it gets

Anyone can see the empress has no clothes. That she has a following who will deny it does not change the facts - that everyone can see, even the deniers.

[mondo joe]

43. Not withstood it? Are you on crack? Bill Clinton had 2 terms and ended with a historic

high approval rating; Hillary made history by being elected Senator, was re-elected and is the leading candidate to be the Democratic Nominee.

Fuck, if that's not withstanding the GOP we might as well close shop right now.

[formernaderite]

58. and bill also single handedly moved the country to the right

by his constant triangulation. Beyond the fact he backtracked on campaign promises like fairness for gays in the military. And don't tell me that he had a republican congress...he didn't until two years after his term began. He never one a majority, we were just lucky ross perot ran. Clinton moved the democratic party to the right, and that just meant the repugs could move even further right. Do you recall welfare reform? yeah..right, there was no "reform". Sorry, I'm tired of their win at all costs, regardless of your ideology.

[mondo joe]

59. So you claim. And so you try to change the subject.

Bill Clinton ended his tenure with historic high approval ratings, across party lines but especially among Democrats.

That's what Democracy is about, my friend.

[robbedvoter]

10. GOP is ALREADY doing this to the Clintons via MSM. Obama lovefest is the pretext

[mondo joe]

33. That's the beauty. They've done it and she's still here. She's tougher than any other

Dem running, and the only one who knows how to fight them.

[iconocrastic]

41. Hope be damned. Crush the kneecaps, even of other Dems

Do we really want to watch another Clinton soap opera? Really?

[mondo joe]

42. Vote for whatever you like. I'm voting for a qualified Dem who can compete.

You can moon over your scrap book of Kerry and Dukakis memorabilia.

[Barack_America]

44. Just not one who can compete in the Midwest and South. n/t

[mondo joe]

46. Hillary Clinton knows more about winning elections in her toenail than you'll ever know

in your life.

I'm going with the experts.

[Barack_America]

51. Then what was that shocker in Iowa all about?

How could that possibly have happened?

Hillary's about to learn a whole lot more about elections, and it isn't going be nice.

[mondo joe]

53. Iowa isn't the country, dear.

:-)

[Barack_America]

56. When did I claim it was?

I claimed it was the Midwest, which it is.

[mondo joe]

62. Maybe we can settle on this: Democratic voters will choose our representative for

the general election. More power to every voter to get out and cast their vote.

[LittleClarkie]

47. You do realize after everything is said and done, IF your candidate wins the nomination

that the people you are merrily disrespecting might be the same people you want to campaign for her in the general.

The more Clinton supporters behave badly, the more people are not going to feel like doing much more than vote for her, if that.

I was one of the boots on the ground in 2004. If you want me, and people like me, to GOTV in 2008 in the event Hillary gets the nod, then some of the Hillary supporters need to pour some water on the scorched earth and remember that we will all be in this together at the end.

For the record, Kerry was also a qualified Dem. And he thinks Obama can do the job. Good enough for me.

[mondo joe]

49. No one has behaved worse here than the Obama supporters, IMO.

I wasn't even a Clinton supporter until the knives came out and it made me sick. I put the Hillary avatar on then.

And, for the record, Kerry was a fucking wimp. I said it then, and I'll say it now. If he knew shit about Presidential elections he'd have beaten that lousy turd and taken the Presidency.

[LittleClarkie]

55. Just a couple of weeks ago I had no dog in this hunt

at the very least, it was both sides. Neither can claim high ground or victimhood, so it's ludicrous when either side tries.

Now there are certain Hillary posters who are worse than the rest, I've noted since becoming an Obama supporter. It's not all y'all to be sure. And I can also imagine that my objectivity has suffered since I picked a candidate. So there are probably still people on BOTH sides pulling this shit. And when I encounter them, I alert.

But to claim that the behavior of one side is worse than the other is just ludicrous.

[mondo joe]

57. It's a hoot, after you bitch out Hillary supporters, to say "to claim that the

behavior of one side is worse than the other is just ludicrous."

Mighty "fair and balanced: of you.

[Barack_America]

9. Lol! These "facts" are too funny! Especially this one...

"SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED THAT HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON SAID HE 'WASN'T OPPOSED TO THE WAR FROM THE START.' Neither Hillary or Bill Clinton has ever said that. They have noted his quotes and record after his speech opposing the war in 2002."

Everyone in America saw that "fairy-tale" clip...twice!

But just in case you missed it, here is the quote.

“It is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years, and never got asked one time — not once, ‘Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn’t know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war. And you took that speech you’re now running on off your Web site in 2004. And there’s no difference in your voting record and Hillary’s ever since.’

“Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairytale I’ve ever seen."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/the-clinton-camp-unbound/

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :puke:

[jackson_dem]

12. Bill didn't say obama supported the war in 2002 in that quote

It is clear he is talking about Obama's hidden record from 2004 to until recently.

[Barack_America]

13. Did you read their quote? "opposed to the war FROM the start"...

That means they're claiming they never said he changed his position on the war. Yet Bill slammed his supposedly "changing" position on the war in one of the most famous quotes from this election.

Apparently they think Americans are too dumb to remember this?

[jackson_dem]

17. They acknowledge he opposed it at the start. They dispute his record afterwards

"SEN. OBAMA FALSELY CLAIMED THAT HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON SAID HE 'WASN'T OPPOSED TO THE WAR FROM THE START.' Neither Hillary or Bill Clinton has ever said that. They have noted his quotes and record after his speech opposing the war in 2002."

[Barack_America]

18. You are still failing to recognize the word "FROM".

Do you need a definition of that word or is your lack of understanding intentional?

[jackson_dem]

24. It is hard to know whether Obama was for or against a war he funded consistently

[Barack_America]

27. But that quote specifically state they never said he "wasn't opposed to the war from the start"

When they very obviously have, on several occasions.

For that reason alone, I proclaim their "facts" = bullshit.

[rodeodance]

30. are you cornfused by the double negitive?

[Barack_America]

31. No, I'm not "cornfused". I understand the statement. Do you?

Doesn't seem like it.

[rodeodance]

34. nope, I read it fine. I was concerned about your comprehension.

[Barack_America]

35. Okey dokey then, we agree. They lied. They did say that his opinion on the war changed.

Cool.

[rodeodance]

38. I said I was concerned about your comprehension. I still am.

[rodeodance]

28. They dispute his record afterwards --yes, it was after his 2002 speach that Obama said

he did not know how he would have voted.

[agdlp]

45. Obama is an political amature, neg attacks/record checking is ok, but keep them factual right

There are a lot of things that I do not like with HRC, and Obama could go after her on the issues. Instead he first says...Im going to be different than the Washington politicians. But from the get go, he try to get HRC on non factual statements, doing exactly the things he criticize HRC of...It sounds more like an amateur campaign run by some young politicians in the background.¨

We have a twenties speech writer, giving him words that are not his own, his campaign is issuing the most weird and off the ball remarks, and his debate skills are utterly empty.
It’s like the "king" without clothes...Everything that the MSM and Obama supporters claim, falling off like leaves in the autumn...

But the worst ting is his supporters doing the Rove tactics in every online forum. Most likely because of his young support base. Just because you don’t agree on the issues, don’t be rude, don’t make it a gender/race issue, don’t talk about destroying hope.

[ZinZen]

54. Wow, she cannot run without Bill. Truly sad for

our first woman nominee.

[BringBigDogBack]

11. that's pretty pathetic

[durrrty libby]

14. K for later

[flordehinojos]

15. thank you hillary for pointing to the truth about obama ...

he is easily recognizable as a man who likes to jab at others (you and bill), and he likes to complain about others (you and bill), and he likes to whine and weal and squeal about what he says you and bill have done to him ... and now, seeing facts on paper ... that will make him squeal and whine some more ... he carries the sling, he fires the sling-shot, he hides the sling, he denies he ever fired the sling-shot or a spit-ball. that is not taking responsibility for what he does.

he wants to cut you at the knees ... but still
like dust you'll rise. rise hillary. rise!
(a slight variation to maya angelou's poem for hillary).

[StevieM]

16. The rules only apply if you're Hillary (eom)

x

[cooolandrew]

19. Frist Nafta is her husbands legislation second she has the highest military donations, next...

[jackson_dem]

21. Obama has the same view of trade and the military Hillary has

[peoli]

20. 'kneecapping' and 'hit job'.... mafia lingo from the Clintons

wonder where they picked up those phrases.......

the Arkansas Mafia?

[KaptBunnyPants]

22. Is single payer healthcare supposed to be bad now?

I don't get that one. The only bad part about single payer is that our government is too corrupt for us to get it.

[cooolandrew]

23. This resco claims are very dubious how do we verify local politics.Sources for obscure info HRC.

[Lucinda]

50. Try the Chicago newspapers online. They've been covering Rezko for years.

[cooolandrew]

25. Also if kneecapping why did HRC go negative after Iowa with ed and Obama ahead.

[Danger Mouse]

26. That's uhm, a nice campaign you got here, Bill and Hillary.

It'd be a shame if, you know, somethin were to happen to it.
Aw, gee, look what you done. Now I'm gonna have to hurt ya.
Legs! Ace! Get out here and show these punks what happens when you cross Barack Obama.
This is MY town, kids, my town. Next time I'll break more than just your kneecaps.

[Renew Deal]

29. Too bad it's not true.

:shrug:

[Tactical Progressive]

32. Obama has lied and character-assassinated from the start

and continuing throughout this campaign against his fellow Dems and the Democratic party as a whole.
Add to that his repeated and ugly race-baiting, and you have one real low-life of a Democrat.

Obama is, for all intents and purposes, the EXACT OPPOSITE of the image he incessantly portrays for himself, just like Publicans.

And just like with Publicans, the media is willing to not only play along, but assist. As long as it is against decent and effective Democrats like the Clintons.

[Barack_America]

39. self-delete.

[AX10]

60. All true.

Obama is running a campaign all to similar to Bush's in 2000.

[rodeodance]

36. I stumbled upon a Hillary hate-fest.

[LittleClarkie]

48. Is this a pattern with them?

Jab, then claim to be the victim, then jab, then claim to be the victim?

[ZinZen]

52. But I thought they had 135 years of experience

dealing with negative attacks. Now they crying "hitjob" "kneecapping"? WTF??? Maybe they are re-living some PTSD trauma from when the Repubs went after them in the 90's. Guess what Bill and Hill if you dish it out someone is going to through it right back at you.

[LittleClarkie]

61. I guess they can dish it out but can't take it.

I supposed their pissed off that all the world hasn't recognized that Hillary is inevitable and just stepped out of the way so she can claim her rightful crown.