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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:47 PM
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Did you know that 57% of NH Hillary Voters would have switched to Bill if he were running!
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:03 PM by Perky
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHDEM

What does that suggest to you about the depth of Hillary's support?
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:48 PM
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1. I guess they don't care about the BJ any more
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:49 PM
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3. Not many ever cared....
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 07:50 PM by jlake
but there is a website for those who like to talk about it.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:58 PM
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20. Comments like that
(I'm speechless) :hi:
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:49 PM
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2. It speaks more of Bill's popularity than Hillary's weakness.
Looking at the numbers.... too bad Bill can't run again. Lots of Obama supporters prefer Bill as well.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:50 PM
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4. Tacky and inappropriate
I would like to hear from people with opinions of substance.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:02 PM
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24. "Tacky and inappropriate
I would like to hear from people with opinions of substance."

The fact that this is how you responded to your own OP is just perfect

Is it the voices in your head? :rofl:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:15 PM
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27. I posted in the wrong place.. it was in response to the BJ comment at Post#2
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:50 PM
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5. At his worst of times he was polling 67%
Heck Hillary is the reason I voted for Bill, now it her time to do her stuff.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:53 PM
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10. No he was polling under 40% during the early portion of his administration.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:55 PM
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13. And remember I am a Edwards supporter until the cows come home.
However you have to hand it to the big dog, we were working, I remember pulling my information from my broker every month, and boy did the big dog help me make some of my retirement money..can't kick him becasue Hillary is running..Republican corporate Media made many people hate Hillary, just as they are refusing to give John Edwards coverage he deserves.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:55 PM
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14. I am not sure yu got the meaning of the data
Entrance pollsters asked Hillary supporter who they would support if Bill was also running
Six in 10 Hillary supporters abandoned support for Hillary. Only 3 in ten staye with Hillary.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:55 PM
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15. I am not sure yu got the meaning of the data
Entrance pollsters asked Hillary supporter who they would support if Bill was also running
Six in 10 Hillary supporters abandoned support for Hillary. Only 3 in ten staye with Hillary.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:50 PM
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6. how many obama fans would also switch to bill, did you say? nt
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:52 PM
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9. Poll says 24%
of Obama supporters would switch to Bill

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:51 PM
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7. Only her supporters though
The supporters of the other candidates weren't ready to run off with Bill.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:52 PM
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8. She would be a nobody without the BIGDOG
:kick:
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:55 PM
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16. I agree
But prepare to be flamed for somehow saying something "sexist."

Although a "nobody" is a little further than I would take it. She would have certainly been a very successful individual in life, but she never would have been a New York senator or a top-tier presidential candidate if she hadn't been the First Lady during the bulk of the '90s.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:50 PM
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32. I was only kidding, she has done a lot
ditto to your post.
In my heart of hearts, I really think HRC will be our next president. It won't be too bad:dem:
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DallasCowboy Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:53 PM
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11. Maureen Dowd B----CH slaps the Clintonista today
Great Article:

If Bill Clinton has to trash his legacy to protect his legacy, so be it. If he has to put a dagger through the heart of hope to give Hillary hope, so be it.

If he has to preside in this state as the former first black president stopping the would-be first black president, so be it.

The Clintons — or “the 2-headed monster,” as the The New York Post dubbed the tag team that clawed out wins in New Hampshire and Nevada — always go where they need to go, no matter the collateral damage. Even if the damage is to themselves and their party.

Bill’s transition from elder statesman, leader of his party and bipartisan ambassador to ward heeler and hatchet man has been seamless — and seamy.

After Bill’s success trolling the casinos on the Las Vegas Strip, Hillary handed off South Carolina and flew to California and other Super Tuesday states. The Big Dog relished playing the candidate again, wearing a Technicolor orange tie and sweeping across the state with the mute Chelsea.

He tried to convey the impression that they were running against The Man, and with classic Clintonian self-pity, grumbled that Barack Obama had all the advantages.

When he was asked yesterday if he would feel bad standing in the way of the first black president, he said no. “I’m not standing in his way,” he said. “I think Hillary would be a better president” who’s “ready to do the job on the first day.” He added: “No one has a right to be president, including Hillary. Keep in mind, in the last two primaries, we ran as an underdog.” He rewrote the facts, saying that “no one thought she could win” in New Hampshire, even though she originally had had a substantial lead.

He said of Obama: “I hope I get a chance to vote for him some day.” And that day, of course, would be after Hillary’s eight years; it’s her turn now because Bill owes her. “I think it would be just as much a change, and some people think more, to have the first woman president as to have the first African-American president,” he said.

Bad Bill had been roughing up Obama so much that Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina suggested that he might want to “chill.” On a conference call with reporters yesterday, the former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a national co-chairman of the Obama campaign, tut-tutted that the “incredible distortions” of the political beast were “not keeping with the image of a former president.”

Jonathan Alter reported in Newsweek that Senator Edward Kennedy and Rahm Emanuel, the Illinois congressman and former Clinton aide, have heatedly told Bill “that he needs to change his tone and stop attacking Senator Barack Obama.”

In the Myrtle Beach debate Monday night, Obama was fed up with being double-teamed by the Clintons. He finally used attack lines that his strategists had urged him to use against Hillary for months. “It was as though all the e-mails were backed up,” said one.

When Hillary tried once more to take Obama’s remarks about Ronald Reagan out of context, making it seem as though Obama had praised Reagan’s policies, he turned sarcastic about getting two distortionists for the price of one.

“I can’t tell who I’m running against sometimes,” he snapped at Hillary, obviously entrapped and pysched-out by the Clinton duo.

On a conference call with reporters yesterday morning, Obama did not back off from his more aggressive, if defensive, stance. The Clintons, he said “spent the last month attacking me in ways that are not accurate. At some point, it’s important for me to answer.” Recalling that Hillary had called mixing it up the “fun” part of politics, he said: “I don’t think it’s the fun part to fudge the truth.”

Bill has merged with his wife totally now, talking about “we” and “us.” “I never did anything major without discussing it with her,” he told a crowd here. “We’ve been having this conversation since we first met in 1971, and I don’t think we’ll stop now.” He suggested as First Lad that “I can help to sell the domestic program.”

It’s odd that the first woman with a shot at becoming president is so openly dependent on her husband to drag her over the finish line. She handed over South Carolina to him, knowing that her support here is largely derivative.

At the Greenville event, Bill brought up Obama’s joking reference to him in the debate, about how Obama would have to see whether Bill was a good dancer before deciding whether he was the first black president.

Bill, naturally, turned it into a competition. “I would be willing to engage in a dancing competition with him, even though he’s much younger and thinner than I am,” he said. “If I’m going to get in one of these brother contests,” he added, “at least I should be entitled to an age allowance.”

He said, “I kind of like seeing Barack and Hillary fighting.”

“How great is this?” he said. “Neither of them has to be a little wind-up doll who’s supposed to behave in a certain way. They’re real people, flesh and blood people. They have differences.”

And if he has anything to say about it, and he will, they’ll be fighting till the last dog dies.

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:38 PM
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29. Good article
THANKS for posting it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:54 PM
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12. Isn't he? At least in South Carolina?
He is the one campaigning down there, no?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:57 PM
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18. .
;)
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:57 PM
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17. I bet a comparable number of people would switch from their candidate to Bill as well.
Bill Clinton is the most popular politician in the country.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:58 PM
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21. try looing at the polling data.
It suggest people arevoting for Bill when they vote for Hillary. Hillary is just a vehicle to get to Bill.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:57 PM
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19. Make that 57% + 1
I'd switch in a New York minute.

The man is the most popular Democrat in the country and for damn good reasons.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:59 PM
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22. Are you supporting Hillary?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:01 PM
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23. It's funny - he would have taken 24% of Obama's vote too. Obama should definitely
keep complaining about Bill.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:06 PM
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26. That nunber us not surpising. But Hillary supporters dump her for him 6 out of ten times.
Are you sure you are voting for Hillary to be President or is it because it Gets Bill back in the White House.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:27 PM
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28. One little problem with that math.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:33 PM by mondo joe
Bill's not running.

If a majority of HRC voters would vote for Bill, they sort of get him if they vote for Hill. It doesn't hurt her.

But a significant chunk of Obama voters would vote for Bill, who they don't get at all by voting for Barack.

So - by all means, Obama should continue to fight with Bill. It will be fun to see what happens.

Edit to add: To keep this in perspective we are talking about one state's exit poll.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:40 PM
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30. So "Two for the price of one" meant nothing to you?
"Bill's not running."

Then he should act like it.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:49 PM
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31. He's running for her. She ran for him too. We'll see what the voters think.
:hi:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:08 PM
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33. Kicking for the American Idol Crowd
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soundguy Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:04 PM
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25. Watch Primary Colors..................
Team..... Just Like My Honey And Me.
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