If I see one more post about Obama "lying" I'm going to scream!

[beachmom]

Apparently TeamClinton has decided to pin on Obama what they are guilty of: incessant lying. Obama may not be everyone's cup of tea, but a liar he ain't.

To the Clinton supporters & their infinite "Obama is lying" posts: don't insult everyone's intelligence. We know who the liars are in this primary season.

[Deep13]

1. "We know who the liars are in this primary season."

Mitt Romney.

[beachmom]

2. Well, he takes it to a whole new level.

[ccpup]

3. Obama: I only got "$60,000" from Tony Rezko

Rezko cash triple what Obama says

During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman Tony Rezko and his associates than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.

Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.

But seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his "best estimate" was that Rezko raised "between $50,000 and $60,000" during Obama's political career.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/432197,CST-NWS-obama18.article

now what was that you were so intelligently saying about Obama being honest?

[1corona4u]

5. What about Obama.......

"I never take money fronm lobbyist", yet, the Open Secrets report says he has taken 76K from lobbyist?

That would be a lie, wouldn't it?

[MNDemNY]

34. No, the Bible can be interpreted many ways.

BHO speaks only the gospel.

[beachmom]

6. More smears and crap. The Clintons want to distract primary

voters from what Obama can offer America. He is so much better than they are, and they know it. So they appeal to smear and fear.

Nice gutter post to go along with your gutter candidate.

[ccpup]

8. I notice you didn't address Obama's blatant lie

should we start calling Obama the "ostrich candidate"?

[beachmom]

14. I notice that you are continuing to smear. Let's see the pro-Clinton TalkLeft

had to say this:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/22/141117/268

I was hoping to avoid writing about the Barack Obama-Tony Rezko connection as I believe Obama did nothing wrong. Big Tent Democrat agrees it's a non-issue. Unfortunately, the AP is highlighting it today.




TalkLeft HATES Obama, so the above admission amounts to "that's all she wrote".

[ccpup]

29. "I was hoping to avoid writing about ...

the Barack Obama-Tony Rezko connection ..."

I know, honey. And the Obama campaign was hoping it would somehow just never come up.

But when, as State Senator, you're writing letters to City and State Officials to help your long-time buddy Tony and his fledgling construction crew get a $43 million tax-payer funded contract to build low-income housing, people are going to talk about it. And they'll talk even more when these same buildings, which sit in your District, fall into disrepair -- five years later -- and go without heat during one of Chicago's coldest winters on record with you lifting not a finger to help.

When you take over a hundred thousand dollars in campaign contributions from him and his company and then claim the number was far lower, people are going to talk about it.

And, as Tony's being investigated by Patrick Fitzgerald for possible extortion and embezzlement, you approach him to buy two plots of land (one on which a $1.6 million house stands for which you pay $300,000 under the asking price) and then later buy the neighboring parcel from Tony and his wife (who purchased it for $625,000) for $104,000 -- later admitting it was a "mistake" and a "boneheaded decision" --, people are eventually going to talk and write about it.

But I agree. I'm sure you were hoping to avoid writing about the Barack Obama - Tony Rezko connection. I know Barack Obama was fervently hoping the same thing.

[rodeodance]

11. Obama does the distraction all on his own.

[GalleryGod]

25. WHAT does that post MEAN, RD ? Here's a WHOLE book you can read...

[ellisonz]

61. You know that wasn't the most positive biography...

"By the time seventeen-year-old Hillary Rodham left Park Ridge, for Wellesley College, almost all the essential elements—and contradictions—of her adult character could be glimpsed: the keen intelligence and ability to stretch it, the ambition and anger, the idealism and acceptance of humiliation, the messianism and sense of entitlement, the attraction to charismatic men and indifference to conventional feminine fashion, the seriousness of purpose and quickness to judgment, the puritan sensibility and surprising vulnerability, the chronic impatience and aversion to personal confrontation, the insistence on financial independence and belief in public service, the tenacious attempts at absolute control and, perhaps above all, the balm, beacon, and refuge of religion."

----

"In their first months in the White House, both Bill and Hillary were force-fed the unpalatable truth that, contrary to their expectations, the capital was not to be easily commanded in the same way they had dominated the politics of a small Southern state. Bill matured politically during his eight years as president, learning to achieve many of his objectives piecemeal in the face of adamant Republican opposition. But in terms of his character, he remained basically unchanged: ambitious, narcissistic, charming, brilliant, roguish, undisciplined, incredibly able— and often personally disappointing. The engine of Hillary’s evolution and of her enormous capacity for change seemed sturdily bolted under the hood of her religious convictions, a set of beliefs that to some bordered on a messiah-like self-perception, to others a license to do whatever she pleased in the name of God, and to others a touchstone of spirituality that infused her notions of love, caring, and service."

http://www.carlbernstein.com/awic_excerpt.php

[MNDemNY]

33. He's not lying...he's "compressing" the truth.

[ccpup]

36. oh, I thought that it was more

"that wasn't what I meant to say" stuff. Silly me. I can never keep his excuses straight. :eyes:

Isn't there some sort of primer or something to help people keep track of what excuse he's using on what day?

[MNDemNY]

37. "Present"!!!!!

[avaistheone1]

60. Obama does Not tell the truth. Here is an important example.

Obama seemingly voted for the bill -- which opponents Clinton, Joe Biden and Christopher Dodd voted against -- to support energy industry players in Illinois. Following passage of the bill, his office put out a press release with the headline "Obama Says Energy Bill Helps Illinois by Doubling Ethanol Use, Investing in Clean Coal." According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Obama's 2004 Senate campaign received significant funding from the energy industry -- $178,200. Illinois has huge coal reserves and produces corn, which is used to create ethanol.

As I've mentioned before, Obama's campaign funding has proved problematic. In fact, his presidential campaign has received substantial funding from a variety of energy companies, chief among them Exelon (EXC), which has donated close to $190,000 for his campaign already. Other energy firms donating funds include Exxon Mobil, Chevron (CVX ), Forest Oil (FST), Sempra Energy (SRE), and Reliant Energy (RRI).

Obama's campaign didn't respond to email requests for clarification on his vote for the 2005 energy bill.

Clearly, the U.S. does require leadership to ensure that America becomes the global leader on developing an alternative energy industry. But it isn't clear that Obama is far enough removed from big oil interests.

http://www.thestreet.com/markets/marketfeatures/10383371_3.html

[robbedvoter]

4. "Scream"? "Cry?" Get "Hysterical?"

[Inuca]

58. I must admit this is pretty funny n/t

[maddiejoan]

7. Probably would help if he stopped lying

just a guess

[beachmom]

9. Except he is NOT lying. THE CLINTONS are lying.

[xultar]

15. He does lie. He's a politician. Go to FactCheck.org. They busted all 3

[beachmom]

22. Answered below. Factcheck.org was used by Bush on Kerry.

It is only a starting place, and is not the be all and end all of fact checking.

[maddiejoan]

21. Except that

you are wrong.

[we can do it]

49. HA!

[rodeodance]

10. If I hear one more lie about Sen. Clinton I am going to scream.

[CatWoman]

12. If I hear one more lie about Clinton lying about Obama lying

about Clinton, I'm going to scream. :)

[hayu_lol]

19. Someday, we are going to have an election like this one...

and find at the start that all the candidates will have presented us a list with all their shortcomings, dirty deals, liasons with same-sex/different sex significant others, and so on. Just lay out for us what they have done with their lives.

And then, we can easily make a choice.

Ain't no one gonna reach middle age or above with clean hands.

Dynastic Chinese Law used to be judged by the Mandarins(world's first civil service). It was assumed in all cases that both parties to any action would lie. The Mandarin therefore looked for the lies and decided the case accordingly.

Wouldn't it be nice?

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[GalleryGod]

17. This "dim wit" was about to "Alert" on you,but, then I thought..

Oh, heck WHY BOTHER.

Turn in your blue book, if that's all you've got this morning.

[xultar]

38. tee hee hee. Y'all crack me up. I'll alert on myself to save you some time.

[xultar]

40. There. Ya happy...read the alert I sent on myself to the mods.

I called a poster a dim wit. I decided to alert you on this myself.
Xultar.

(something like that the copy paste didn't take.)

Now get your binky and take your nap.

[beachmom]

18. Oh, you mean the way factcheck.org said Kerry lied as much as Bush

in the debates? When they said Kerry lied about how Iraq was costing us $200 billion (hmmm ... he underestimated that one)?

What crap.

The "lie" you state isn't like the lies Bill Clinton told:

1. Bill Clinton was always against the Iraq War
2. Bill Clinton saying that it is a "fairy tale" that Obama was opposed to the Iraq War.

I mean, if you want to believe your bullshit propaganda, go right ahead. But I guarantee everyone on this board, that the Clintons are serial liars, and it is beyond incredible that the Clintons accuse Obama of "lying". I guess it's another Karl Rove tact of attacking someone's strength. Everyone knows that Obama speaks candidly, and speaks his mind. He is an honest person.

[GalleryGod]

20. Touche' BeachMom !

INCOMING!

[xultar]

27. So, did tou read it? Was it a false statement or not? You didn't even read it.

[Cameron27]

24. That's the whole point:

"He's a politician you dim wit, they all lie."

Axelrod's plan was to run him as the second coming, and up until NH, that was working. Now that he's been asked to defend his record vs his rhetoric on a few issues, Axelrod's strategy is to go after Bill. Whether they succeed and Bill stops talking, Obama's now off the pedestal and he's just another politician who's running for president.

[sufrommich]

43. Exactly, Obama did well as long as he remained an empty

vessel who his supporters could define as who they wanted him to be.Once that vessel starts to fill with fact instead of fiction,it's all over.

[DURHAM D]

56. Well stated. n/t

[sandnsea]

45. No they do not all lie

The Clinton strategy has been to make everybody out to be as stinky as they are and her supporters would rather they stink up this country for another 8 years then admit they chose the wrong candidate.

[sufrommich]

48. Actually,this campaign kicked off with Obama attempting

to paint Clinton as "stinky" by rather cynically supporting Robert Novak's typical right wing blather about Clinton having 'dirt" on Obama.Instead of calling Novak on his shit,they went after Clinton.What ever happened with that so called info that Clinton had? Oh,that's right,nothing.Turns out Novak allegedly got the info from a friend of a friend of the Clinton campaign. Obama's first move,off the bat,was to play along with the right wing smear machine in order to benefit from the Novak slander. Frankly,I was done him him then.

[sandnsea]

50. Did they launch a smear campaign?

Why yes they did.

[GalleryGod]

16. Desperate people do desperate things...

apparently lots of these folks have never been an adult during a Presidential Campaign. How else to explain such hyperbolic OP's that are filled with such fertilizer. I tell them 2 things:

1). TURN IN YOUR BLUE BOOKS.

2). READ THIS BOOK, asshat.

[Pawel K]

23. Totally agree that Clinton lies, but if you think Obama doesn't you are batshit crazy

[GalleryGod]

26. Does eating batshit make one crazy ? Turn in your Blue Book...go see the Academic Dean

D+


Or catch me before lunch...

[beachmom]

28. Thanks for the insult. Let's be clear here:

In politics there are "points of view", and there is of course "embellishing" that goes on. I am not naive about that. But what the Clintons do is blatant obvious lies, even when they are easily disproved. Then the next day they lie again. So I take the word "lie" very seriously. It needs to be deployed when warranted: like Bush saying he would fire anyone in the WH who had anything to do with outing Plame. He was blatantly lying, and it was proven several years later. That is completely different from saying a program will cost x amount of dollars, and someone disputing that and saying, no it will cost y. The Clintons are calling Obama a liar for what is normal political discourse, while being guilty of some of the worst lies I have seen in politics since Bush/Cheney.

[burythehatchet]

31. Why do you bother, the Clone Army is not interested

[Pawel K]

35. So when obama said he never supported single payer health care

when the fact is he did that's not a lie? Are you really that fucking blinded by all this partisan bullshit that you can not see the obvious?

[sandnsea]

44. He doesn't deny it at all, Hillary LIES

and says he denies it. He says if he were creating a system from scratch, he'd probably choose single payer, but that isn't where we are. Did you watch the debate?

[Pawel K]

51. I didn't watch the debate, unfortunately I had to work that day

but you didn't have to watch the debate to know that both campaigns lie and distort. And if you look at my history here this is coming from someone that is very anti-Clinton.

[sandnsea]

53. So you just trusted Hillary's word

and got yourself in a pickle because you trusted her word, and instead of recognizing the obvious, you want to just dismiss the whole thing as everybody lies.

[Pawel K]

55. What am I dismissing?

Are you going to sit here and tell me Obama hasn't lied before?

[madrchsod]

30. ...it`s not very productive to call each other lier's

when the house is burning down around us....

[cloudythescribbler]

32. Aw, c'mon -- smearing WORKS! Wake up & smell the horseshit ... nt

[Bake]

39. "He's not lying. So stop saying that or I'll scream!"

Go ahead and scream.

Bake

[MethuenProgressive]

41. Congressional Quarterly/ St Pete Times: Obama caught lying about Clinton and NAFTA

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/305/

"I know that Hillary on occasion has said -- just last year said this (NAFTA) was a boon to the economy."
Barack Obama on Monday, January 21st, 2008 in a debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C.

No evidence she said that

Trying to depict Hillary Clinton as a flip-flopper on trade, Barack Obama claimed the New York senator considered the North American Free Trade Agreement a plus for the economy, even though she’s recently criticized the pact on the campaign trail.
"I know that Hillary on occasion has said -- just last year said this (NAFTA) was a boon to the economy," Obama said during a Jan. 21, 2008, debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C. "I think it has been devastating, because our trade agreements did not have labor standards and environmental standards that would assure that workers in the U.S. were getting a square deal."
Obama’s charge is designed to stoke suspicions among liberals and labor leaders that Clinton is in the thrall of big business Democrats who served in her husband’s administration, such as former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, chairman of Citigroup Inc., and ex-Deputy Treasury Secretary Roger Altman, her top economic adviser.


In June 2007, she said NAFTA had some positive effects “but unfortunately it had a lot of downside.” And at a debate in December 2007, she announced her intention to review and reform NAFTA if she were elected.
Obama implies Clinton views NAFTA as an unqualified success, but more importantly, he attributes words to her that only appear in a newspaper summary of the issues. We judge his statement to be False.

[quinnox]

42. Obama is not a god

Obama is a normal human being and has lied, like it or not.

[Skip Intro]

47. Blasphemy!

[SaveElmer]

46. Easy solution...Obama should stop lying...nt

[milkyway]

52. Typical Rove strategy: Take your biggest fault and try to make it stick to the other side instead.

[Inuca]

59. Exactly! n/t

[Marie26]

54. 1/18 - Obama lies about his NH co-chair being a Pharma lobbyist.

Eeeek! :0

[2rth2pwr]

57. Obama's a liar!

I'm waiting...