According to most Clintonians here, Obama has to win SC by over 10 pts

[cali]

for it to be considered a win. Interesting, considering how they trumpeted what huge wins NH and NV were for Clinton. In NH she won by a 3 pt margin. In NV, by a 5.5 pt margin. So how come Obama suddenly has to win SC with a 10+ pt margin over her for it to be considered a win. As recently as a month ago, Clinton was not just the favorite, she was the overwhelming favorite who dominated in all the polls, both national and state.

Now Clinton supporters here are raising the bar for Obama and playing down any victory he may win. Does this presage how they're going to play a victory for Obama if he "only" wins by 4 or 5 points? You can count on it.

[rox63]

1. I guess that means Clinton's wins in NH and NV weren't real either

:shrug:

[Zueda]

2. With the vile push polling being done by the Clintons in SC

He will be lucky to get more than +5 points.

[MethuenProgressive]

4. Link?

[Zueda]

6. Here you go....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/21/anti-obama-push-polling-alleged-in-south-carolina/

[MethuenProgressive]

10. "alleged"

Anti-Obama push-polling alleged in South Carolina

Supporters of Barack Obama in South Carolina said Monday that in the past day, black voters across the state have received biased polling phone calls,

If true, and being South Carolina probably is, I'm not surprised.
Obama no doubt benefits from a story alleging anti-Obama push-polling.

[Zueda]

14. Just like the anti-Obama push polling in NV helped him...Right?

[cali]

15. Yeah, he benefits like John McCain did in 2000.

Negative crap works in SC. That's hardly a secret. And if it groups supporting Clinton are doing this, they should be roundly condemned. This is now the third state where Clinton associates or supporters have pulled this shit.

[Maribelle]

12. Republicans are doing the push polling trying to make Clinton look bad.

We all due respect, you might want to change the flavor of that Kool-Aid you're guzzling.

[Zueda]

16. You give an unsubstantiated and far-fetched response...

And suggest I'm drinking Koolaid? ...LOL

[Maribelle]

17. Unsubstantiated and far fetched? It is all over the internet republicans are push-polling in SC

Push-polling has become their meat and potatoes. They are also behind the emails flaming Obama. Republicans do not want their people to switch for Obama in SC for many reasons.

[Zueda]

18. I suppose you think the Republicans were behind the

push polling in NV and the false flyers in NH too.

[MethuenProgressive]

Link?

[Deep13]

3. So what?

No amount of spin will change the number of delegates acquired.

[sandnsea]

5. He'll most likely win more delegates

So that right there will be better than Clinton has done so far.

[Windy]

7. It will be tied if he wins by any margin. we then move to super tuesday w/o a front runner. n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

8. Well, as someone that likes neither candidate...

Obama probably does need a larger win in SC, simply due to the momentum Hillary has taken over the last several primaries and the advantage Hillary has in terms of Superdelegates. Obama needs a splash to stay legitimately alive at this point, and it needs to happen soon.

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. It's a new ball game now

Prior to Iowa many thought that we might once again have a runaway train nominating contest, that one candiate might get a fast jump out of the gate and just keep gathering momentum before we ever made it to Super Tuesday. First it was thought that candidate would be Clinton, then it was thought that candidate would be Obama. Now no one thinks for an instant that either of them can put this contest away prior to Super Tuesday. The only reason why Obama "has" to win in South Carolina is because if he doesn't he will have lost an unbroken string of contests after Iowa, which then might be seen as a one time fluke victory.

I agree that Obama does not have to win South Carolina by over 10 points. It will complicate matters only slightly for him if he can't win by 5 points but only a loss there would be near fatal. Likewise unless Clinton loses South Carolina by over 15 points it is no longer a very serious problem to her after winning the popular vote in both New Hampshire and Nevada. She showed she has most of the Hispanic vote and Obama can show he has most of the Black vote. If Clinton keeps a South Carolina loss below 20 points her campaign will not be in crisis mode.

Super Tuesday will be hitting us all very soon after South Carolina. It is too complex and large a map for anyone to write off Obama's or Clinton's chances based on showings in South Carolina and Florida between now and then.

[stray cat]

11. Not too concerned about DU opinions as most are pretty partisan

right now and the race is awfully fluid....

[cobalt1999]

13. I think people are talking about winning enough to create a real momentum change

Super Tuesday follows close, and Florida (even if it doesn't count) will be covered by the media, so, yes, Obama does need a BIG win in SC. A 2 pt win will still get him delegates but will probably kill his chances on Super Tuesday. A 10 pt win will open some eyes and open up Super Tuesday.

You know this already though, so stop playing games.

[THUNDER HANDS]

19. as long as he gets more delegates

it doesn't matter how many points he wins by.