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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:12 AM
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Was Obama's "while you were on the board of Walmart" comment
snotty and elitist or something else?

What kind of message did he send to people who shop at Walmart?

Does he think less of poor people who shop there?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:13 AM
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1. Go ahead and defend walmart. Go ahead. nt
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:48 AM
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37. Sam Walton was alive when Hillary was on the board and
most products were made in America. She fought for women and Higher pay

I was just curious as to how ignorant people were

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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:00 AM
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48. Then she got her husband
to enact crazy ass trade policies now Walmart's profits are much higher. Looks like she serverd Walmart well.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 AM
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55. his wife was on the Board of a company that does most of it's
business with Wal-Mart up until this past May, so I'd be careful about throwing those stones.

link:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=25090&seenIt=1
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:46 AM
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88. I new it wouldn't be long before someone would bring up...
the pickle company bullshit. So...once again.... there is a BIG difference between being on the board of a pickle company that sells pickles to walmart and many other retailors and someone who sits on the board of walmart. Hillary could have done something to change the working practices of walmart. Michelle didn't have that option. And don't give me any of that crap about doing business with walmart. Again there is a huge difference.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 AM
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101. then why did the campaign convince her to leave 9 months ago?
but you're probably right. If I were Obama, I'd be more worried -- terrified, in fact -- about being called as a witness by Patrick Fitzgerald in Tony Rezko's February 25th trial.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:51 AM
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121. why would obama be called to testify...he has nothing to
do with the trial. Do you even know what the trial is about or are you just posting ignorant BS to try to smear Obama?

To ansewer your question it was so she could help more with the children. She isn't working anywhere right now. Once again there is nothing wrong with her working for a damn pickle company.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:42 PM
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136. as he accepted money from Rezko
it might be helpful to Fitzgerald as far as time line, recollection of events and people, etc. And, yes, I DO know what the trial is about and it ain't pretty.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:57 AM
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97. "Go ahead and defend walmart. Go ahead"
Ok, will do.
My one prescription I take just went from $129 per month to $4 per month.
Thank you WalMart.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 AM
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:15 AM
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11. Can I pick?
Education.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:53 AM
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:17 AM
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15. Is it possible to choose all 3? n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:50 AM
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:53 AM
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42. Can't defend Obama's piss poor comment, so attack the messenger!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 AM
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3. It was cutting
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:55 AM
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43. Cluephone..it's public knowledge and in the news!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 AM
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4. Talking about the board of Walmart that is exploiting both workers and customers.
But I guess you never shop there.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:56 AM
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44. Hillary was on the board when Sam Walton was alive and
back then most products were made in the US. She fought for

women and higher pay. I asked the question to measure the ignorance at The DU.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:11 PM
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127. Did she win?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:06 AM
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56. and yet Obama's wife worked with them, too
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:15 AM
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61. I must be missing something. She worked on a board of a company that sells products to Wal-mart.
And?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 AM
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67. the majority of their business was done with Wal-Mart exclusively
and, although Obama is happy to criticize Clinton's sitting on Wal-Mart's Board over 16 years ago, he was more than happy to help his wife cash her checks as late as May 2007. Without Wal-Mart, Treehouse would not have been able to have afforded Michelle's $50,000 a year paycheck plus stock options.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:24 AM
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71. LOL. You are really getting desperate. I guess that Walmart workers are to be criticized as well.
If you knew anything of Walmart, you'd know they barely treat their suppliers better than their workers. Actually, it is a pretty bad position to do most of your business with Walmart, rather than good.

Amusing how some of you have no idea how things work in this business.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:25 AM
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73. touche'!!
I posted articles 2 months ago about this...no traction..Thanks Obama!
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 AM
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5. It spoke to her corporate connection
That's about it. No knock on Wal-Mart shoppers, that's quite a reach on your part.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:48 AM
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90. There was no reaching. I was curious what people thought and
if they were ignorant to the facts.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 AM
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6. dude, I worked at walmart
walmart was an employer of mine.

you, sir, do not know walmart shoppers.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:00 AM
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47. I was just curious as to how ignorant so many DUers were
When Hill was on the board Sam Walton was still alive and most
products were made in the US

Hillary fought for higher pay and for women, but people here showed

their ignorance. Nothing new for this place
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:32 AM
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80. Shop there ALL the time. I am NOT poor.
I love the employees there.
Good for you,MR.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:14 AM
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7. There's a pretty big difference between those who shop/work there...
...and those who run it. Hillary was involved in running it.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:57 AM
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45. ummm....Obama's wife was also part of WalMart
hypocrites.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:36 AM
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85. The comparison was the "Time Line" of their Activist lives...
Accept it or deny it...that's all the retort was.
He wiped the floor with Bill/Hill.
She was rattled, pathetic in her defense of her hubby's insinuation into this campaign,and NEVER answered Edwards DIRECT question of Corporate Lobbyists inside the Oval Office.

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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:49 AM
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91. ummmmm......no....Obama's wife worked with a different company...
The suppliers are just as screwed over as the workers of walmart... big distinction.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:02 AM
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49. Yes she fought for women and higher pay when Sam Walton was still
alive and the products were from the US. A different company back then
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:15 AM
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dirty
You live up to your name.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:19 AM
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17. And looks like you don't
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:57 AM
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34. LOL
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:15 AM
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8. How about this for communicating my thoughts?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:15 AM
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9. he was trying to make people aware that she was on the board of...
a company that has had anti-union practices, etc.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:15 AM
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10. I think it's directed at the corporate policies and not the customers
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:15 AM
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12. Democratic voters know exactly what it means.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:03 AM
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52. "Democratic voters know exactly what it means." Really?
Even people here are clueless and amazingly ignorant
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:05 AM
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54. Nationwide, the Dem base is firmly in Hillary's corner 47% to O's 23%
They also know her Wall-Mart association is not an an adverse factor in her bona-fides as a presidential candidate.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:16 AM
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13. Walmart has a bad reputation as an employer.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 12:18 AM by dkf
They have been accused of numerous abuses including locking employees in the workplace to finish work and not paying them for the extra time much less overtime.



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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:08 AM
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103. Hillary was on the board more than 15 years ago. It was a different
company then when Sam Walton was alive. She fought for women and better pay

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:16 AM
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14. He's just jealous they didn't ask him to be on it.
It's like, ooooooooh it the big trump card! the W word!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:09 AM
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59. Hillary associates Obama with an indicted felon, Obama comesback with Wall-Mart...
:eyes:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 AM
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81. and we should continue asking about the $50,000 a year his wife made
up to May 2007 sitting on the Board of a Corporation whose largest retailer by far is Wal-Mart.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:13 PM
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128. Excuse me, he's on;ly been indicted. He won't be a felon until and if
he's convicted. Ler's keep our facts straight while mud slinging. huh?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:18 AM
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16. I dunno, it taps into resentment about Walmart, and I think it was fair.
The thing is, she hit back with Rezko -- and that's what will stick. (Tomorrow morning, all over the place: "What's Rezko?")

She got him playing defense, and after having people out there telling Bill Clinton to dial it back, and accusing her of attacking unfairly, I don't think the Obama camp is going to want it's next press release to be all about complaining that he's being attacked. Too much of that and he looks weak.

While it was happening, I was thinking, "What the hell is she doing?" It was clear she knew what she was doing but I was stunned, and freaked out. Now the more I think about it, the more angles I can see it from. She took a risk and she made sacrifices for it (in "likeability," in knowing she'd get boos, etc.)... It'll be interesting to see what happens next! This is one fascinating primary season, that's for sure!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:24 AM
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18. Agree
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:24 AM
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19. I got the feeling that her campaign had an appropriate killer response ready to any
attack or jab that might be directed at her. He gave her the perfect opening of "back in the days when you were on the Board of Walmart" so she could counter with "back in the days of the Slum Lord..." Wow. My jaw dropped when he said that, then my eyes popped out of my head (jaw still dropped) when she came back with her response.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:02 AM
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50. I saw that moment, and I knew the gloves really were off
:wow:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:26 AM
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20. I could see there was a strategy in place. It sure was different
I do think Obama came across as an elitist and was wondering what others thought
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:29 AM
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22. I didn't see elitist
I think she succeeded in getting him flustered though, and in addressing things he'd rather not have. And a few times she had a number of attacks packed into one statement, so there was no way he could counter them all.

She was prepared!
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:34 AM
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84. It is paying off,
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:35 AM by seasonedblue
today it's a Walmart smack for Clinton, and a slumlord smack for Obama, and they're not airing their answers. I don't think most people understand exactly why Walmart is a bad company, but everyone understands the meaning of slumlord.

It will be interesting to see what happens after SC.

edited: That's on CNN, I have no idea how MSNBC is spinning it.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:12 AM
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117. My thoughts exactly.
She's a gutsy lady. Hillary's not afraid to speak her mind and that's what I like about her. She didn't come back with the Rezco comment until Obama threw Walmart in her face.

Hillary wanted to talk about issues and not engage in personal attacks but that's hard to do when your opponent is making personal attacks. She fought back and she had every right to.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:27 AM
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21. Do you have comprehension problems are you just pretending that you do? Here's Obama's quote:
"Because while I was working on those streets watching those folks see their jobs shift overseas, you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board at Wal-Mart."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/debate.transcript/index.html

Obama was not speaking at all about Walmart's customers, he was referring to Walmart's major role in shifting jobs overseas. Obama was dealing with the results of Walmart/Clinton's policies.

There are certainly things that people can criticize Obama for, but this is just willfully fucking stupid.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:32 AM
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25. I think the point was about how Walmart shoppers might react.
That's all.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:39 AM
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29. The OP's point was that Obama made an elitest comment directed at Walmart's customers, but Obama's
comment was directed solely at the corporate execs. And I'm sure many in the audience shop at Walmart, and judging by their reaction they understood very well what Barack was saying.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:07 AM
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57. I submit Obama was the one who is "willfully fucking stupid."
Hillary was on the board back when Sam Walton was alive and most products were made in the US

She fought for women and higher pay. Anyone who knows the truth knows how stupid BO looked

I asked the question to see how ignorant people were and they are sadly, amazingly ignorant
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:15 PM
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129. You know, you keep saying that, but can you give us one example? nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:17 AM
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63. Another of Obama's inaccuracies..
Hillary was on the board of Wal-Mart from 1986 to 1992..

NAFTA hadn't been created or legislated yet! See how Obama invents fantasy scenarios?

So, where what was Obama doing 22 yrs ago?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM
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77. exactly!
more ignorance from Obama and his *Camp Greater Than Thou*..
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:29 AM
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23. everyone knows Wal-mart treats it's workers like trash,
with no Healthcare for most,
and no Unions are allowed.

Hillary was on the Board for 6 years, and did nothing to change this.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:31 AM
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24. Wal-mart screws over its employees.
It was a valid dig, and not directed at Wal-mart's customers or employees in the least.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:20 AM
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65. There is nothing Obama says that can be considered valid..
His fantasy scenarios are getting old especially when every word that comes out of his mouth has to be rechecked for accuracy..
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allinktup Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:33 AM
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26. You must be kidding right?
That's how you're going to spin it? Give me a break. Everyone knew what he was saying there... Don't pretend to be that ni-eve
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:34 AM
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27. It may have gone over the heads of people who don't think in "Corporatist" terms
If that is the case, he may have turned off a lot of poor people.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:42 AM
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30. It didn't go over the heads of the live audience. I think most people have by now become
aware of the trade-off for being able to buy a lot of cheap crap from overseas. I would think that Walmart shoppers might also be the most affected by the job loss.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:47 AM
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31. I guess we'll see
Perhaps Obama will lose a little support in Arkansas, but that's no big deal anyway :)
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:11 AM
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60. Except when Hillary was on the board it was a different company and most products
came from the US.She fought for women and higher pay

But The DU sure can be stupid and ignorant
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:36 AM
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28. It was the absolute truth.
Hillary was on the board of Wal Mart.

Wal Mart is one of the worst corporations in America, especially in terms of how they treat their employees.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 AM
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32. What is it that you all get your shorts knotted and panties in a wad
about Wal Mart? maybe since most of you do not like this company, maybe you could force wal mart to close and then go on out and help find jobs for the 1.3 million people in the United States.

I never understood the hate for wal mart. please explain and please do not go on and on about unions and union busters...In my way of thinking when a person, whether they be man or woman they agree upon the pay they will be receivng. It is not like wal mart to force them to come to work for whatever pay they offer. One excepts and if they find another job with more pay then like most folks they go there.....but please tell me why the hatred..
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:54 AM
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94. There is not the even playing field your post suggests.
Here, read this about David Cay Johnston's new book "Free Lunch" http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17808622 which desribes the corporate welfare given to the big box stores. He does it much more succinctly than I can. But please do read what he has to say! It will help you see what the argument is about.

Corporate welfare sucks money out of the system that could be helping people because it is the taxpayers money. This drives a public policy that is detrimental to the working class. Johnston puts the pieces together for you and tracks the decline of the worker to this massive Republican attack on the bastion of liberal Democratic policies from the New Deal onward.

As for union busting, the Republicans were able to tear down the Democratic Party, in large part, by tearing down union power. It was union that helped raise a whole group of workers out of poverty and into the middle class. The middle class is essential to a working, viable democracy because in order for democracy to work, people have to believe that they have a say in the system. The corporate welfare system essentially ignores these workers and they have basically "returned the favor," but in a bad way because they then give up voting and being active in political life.

I don't want to go on and on, so I leave it to you to satisfy your curiousity by looking further into it. This book is a good place to start.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:50 AM
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33. it doesn't sent any message to people who shop there
criticizing the board is not the same as criticizing the people who shop there.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:59 AM
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35. lol
good luck with that.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:12 AM
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36. Michelle Obama shops for her shoes with Lynne Cheney...so NO, he doesn't like Walmart...
or Walmart shoppers.

:kick: and recommend
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:04 AM
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53. OMG! How petty can we get? Oh! Nevermind. Sick Sick stuff. eom.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:59 AM
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98. Isn't that just a joke? I can't believe that it's true.
I say that as a woman who wouldn't be caught dead with Lynn Cheney, much less buying overpriced shoes anywhere!

I'm going to chalk this up as a stupid rumor that has no basis in fact OR someone's idea of a joke. Unless I learn elsewise...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:51 AM
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39. do you mean bargain hunters when you say poor
I think HE is talking about duplicity?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:51 AM
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40. HA! We're defending Wal-Mart now
More proof about what Hillary really is.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:58 AM
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46. I think he made a big tactical error there
I despise Wal-Mart. I refuse to shop there, and haven't in a decade. My very conservative father is in textiles, and HE refuses to step foot in one. They have destroyed the US textile industry.

However, I understand that some people have literally nowhere else to shop, or that's the only place where they can afford their meds. I have very little extra money, but we shop at K-Mart, Target, TRader Joe's, etc. We have a HUGE amount of alternatives within a short drive.

Many of the Southern voters he's trying to court will NOT like that comment.

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #46
62. I think he showed his ignorance. When Hillary was on the board
Sam Walton was still alive and most products were made in the US

Hillary fought for women and higher pay. So either way Obama looked

clueless with that silly attack. I wish she had shot back and set him straight on that
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #62
70. Not only that..Obama made an underlying ref to NAFTA...
Hillary was on the board from 86' to 92'

Plus, WalMart, when Sam Walton started it, gave a big boost to the Arkansas economy providing hundreds of jobs for locals. What it has become since then has nothing to do with Hillary.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:01 AM
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99. Wow, you've got that line down pat
That's like the 5th time you've posted it in this thread. But it still doesn't cover the whole story.

Sam Walton was a ruthless S.O.B. who set out to destroy retail in small-town America. He may have sold American goods, but he destroyed main street businesses and their suppliers with his anti-competitive tactics.

So just keep repeating that line about Sam Walton. Those of us who know better would find it downright "Hillary-ous" if it weren't so tragic for main street retailers.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:28 AM
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109. 5th time? I counted at least 15 (all three)
Hot keys would save time.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:33 AM
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111. You know what it reminded me of?
"We are building an army of extraordinary magnitude. We forge our souls in the spirit of our ancestors. you have our gratitude."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1M0zU2IihI (not a rickroll)

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #111
113. Take him to Detroit.
:rofl:
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #46
75. I agree.
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:29 AM by calico1
Truth is, the majority of Americans don't have this hatred of Walmart (don't understand what it does to workers, etc). Most people just know Walmart sells cheap. Or at least they believe it does. A lot of people I know shop there and think it's a great place to shop. So I'm not sure most people would really get the point he was trying to make.
Plus, as it has been pointed out already, when Sam Walton ran it, it was a different place.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #75
95. Even some of my very liberal friends shop there
They have no clue.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #46
130. Don't you think the people who used to have a job at the mills know
exactly where those jobs went, and why?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:03 AM
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51. It was SPOT ON! Wake up and smell the corporate stranglehold of our country? eom.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #51
58. then explain his wife's sitting on the Board of a Corporation
that does most of it's business with Wal-Mart. Pretty sweet at $50,00 a year and stock options, yes? She left only this last May while Hillary hasn't been involved with Wal-Mart for 16 years.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=25090&seenIt=1
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #58
64. ROFL, Too funny! Why? I thought HE was running - Isn't that what you claim for your heroine?
Unlike HRC in 1992, I have serious doubts that Michelle will run rough-shod over Obama's WH staff and insist on snagging "The Chief of Staff's Position."

Truth is, HRC did NOT hold a security clearance so "all that experience" as First Lady as on-the-job training for The Presidency is pure BUNK.

My Point: It's not the spouse running for the Presidency when we are referring to "The Obamas" ... But "The Clintons"? Shit, it's anyone's guess how that mess will fall out. :crazy:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #58
68. I wish Hillary had set Obama straight with his silly attack
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 AM by durrrty libby
Walmart was a different company back then and she fought for women and higher pay

Most of the comments in this thread exposes some unbelievable ignorance
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. unbelievable ignorance on DU?
no, say it ain't so!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #69
92. Sadly the ignorance here is like the bubonic plague
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #68
72. Yes. Your ignorance and your clique's !!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #72
104. Do tell
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #68
131. Yeah, instead of telling us how she fought for better wages and
women's rights while she was on the board at Walmart, how come she bought up Rezko instead?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:21 AM
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66. i think he was right in pointing that out. walmart is a pretty evil corporation and that is a scar
on HRC.

i think it was the right thing for him to do
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #66
74. I disagree. Back when she was on the board, Walmart was
a different company with Sam Walton around
Most products came from the US and Hillary fought for women and higher pay

Remember,this was more than 15 years ago. Obama looks ill informed
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:34 AM
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83. sorry, i didnt know that. i thought they had always been evil. thanks.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #83
102. You're welcome.
:thumbsup:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #66
76. No, it's a feather in her cap..
WalMart came along when the Arkansas economy was suffering. WalMart provided hundreds of jobs in the day and gave a huge boost to their economy. Hillary left WalMart in 92'.

As usual, Obama is blowing smoke but his research challeged supporters are allergic to facts.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #76
82. sorry, i didnt know that. i thought they had always been evil. thanks.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #76
96. Ain't it sumthin? I am totally amazed and not in a good way
The really stunning part is how nasty they are in their ignorance:wow:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #96
107. "Ignorance is BLISS"
giving credence to that river in Egypt!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #107
114. They must not know the meaning of bliss, but they do know the meaning
of assholishness
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #114
126. Hee, hee...( mimicking your avatar.)..
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM
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78. I like your Pats Symbol
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM by GalleryGod
Your three "leading questions" are beneath the discourse of over 7 years of D.U.
But...so your satisfied after such objections have been "sustained" :
1.No
2.No
3.No

Have a GREAT SUPER SUNDAY.

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #78
87. "beneath the discourse of over 7 years of D.U." Thanks for the laugh
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #87
93. Hand in your Blue Book,Rookie.
D+

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:30 AM
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79. K&R.. debunking Obama's Lies!
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:37 AM
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86. Do you think we are stupid?
Oh my fucking word!

Walmart is not a very good corporation to have ties with because of their questionable ways. Not because of the people who shop there.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #86
89. "Do you think we are stupid?" How about ill-informed or ignorant?
You get to pick:P
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:02 AM
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100. Off the the greatest page you go for sticking up for poor people
I've know of several people who work for Walmart who say that Walmart was the only employer who ever gave them a chance to make an honest living, so in that respect they're not the completely evil boogyman that everyone makes them out to be. They're far from perfect, but they do give opportunities to some people who would otherwise have none.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:20 AM
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105. You have commented several times in this thread about Sam Walton...
Hold whatever opinion you like over whether Obama was right or wrong to bring up Clinton's tenure on the board of Wal-Mart. You are not, however, allowed to make up facts about Sam Walton.

To wit:

"Sam Walton was alive when Hillary was on the board and most products were made in America."

"Hillary was on the board when Sam Walton was alive and back then most products were made in the US."

"When Hill was on the board Sam Walton was still alive and most
products were made in the US"

"Yes she fought for women and higher pay when Sam Walton was still alive and the products were from the US. A different company back then"

"I submit Obama was the one who is "willfully fucking stupid." Hillary was on the board back when Sam Walton was alive and most products were made in the US"

" I think he showed his ignorance. When Hillary was on the board Sam Walton was still alive and most products were made in the US"

"Back when she was on the board, Walmart was a different company with Sam Walton around Most products came from the US and Hillary fought for women and higher pay Remember,this was more than 15 years ago. Obama looks ill informed"

If you have read anything beyond the "Made in America" propaganda pushed by Wal-Mart you would know that every statement you have made in this thread about Sam Walton is patently false.

Sam Walton's "Made in the USA" business plan worked to drive American manufacturers' prices into the ground before running them out of business. He took American suppliers that had loyally supplied his company for decades and stabbed them in the back. He would dispatch Wal-Mart representatives into southeast Asian markets to get price comparisons, then he would bring those slave-labor prices back to show to the American manufacturers. If the American manufacturers would match or beat the price, he would proudly display their goods under a "Made in the USA" banner at his stores. If they didn't, he would buy the shit from whatever slave labor camp would be willing to stitch the shit together for $.02 per garment (and often times would still display the foreign made goods under the same "Made in the USA" banner and hope nobody noticed). SO in other words, American prices, which had historically been an indicator of the American lifestyle of good pay and a high standard of living, became a race to the bottom against slave labor in countries with very low standards of living at the time. To compete, American companies started laying off workers in order to stay lean and mean with slave labor camps in Southeast Asia (and to a lesser extent, Central and South America). They also decided to cut corners wherever possible, especially in safety regulations and benefits. Eventually, companies that stayed in the "Made in the USA" program went under because they couldn't afford to continue price matching with factories in China and Bangladesh.

You can read more about how the Sam Walton myth was created and why it still persists today in "In Sam We Trust" by Bob Ortega. You can read about Sam Walton's hands-on approach to union busting (like the time he personally threatened Wal-Mart truckers when they attempted to unionize) and other wonderful things he did.

http://www.amazon.com/Sam-We-Trust-Wal-Mart-Powerful/dp/0812932978

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #105
133. ..
:thumbsup:
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:24 AM
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106. I don't think Wal-Mart was the evil empire back then. It wasn't as big.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:26 AM
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108. it probably got her some Republican white male votes
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #108
120. Nah they are all in
Obama's back pocket where they belong.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:28 AM
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110. The real question is
Will the Pats put grass stains all over Manning Jr.?

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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #110
118. Hey now !!!!!
Most folks believe that the wrong Manning made it into the SB...except us Giants fans. lol
Congrats to you and durrrty libby :toast:

Some unknown quarterback was recently seen limping around.. hmmmm

GIANTS!!!
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #118
122. Nothing big with Tom's ankle
Probably just a strain and he has 2 weeks.

I do kind of like a NY / New England match up again. Don't think it will happen anytime soon in B Ball.

Go Pats!!

:hi:
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:33 AM
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112. A huge number of Southerners fondly remember what a great store Wal-Mart was in Clinton's days
I would say that this stance Obama insists on taking proves he doesn't know what he is talking about. But that's only the half of it.

Will Southerners accept his word that he is for them, or will he appear clueless?

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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 10:56 AM
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115. It was ridiculous. He said she was a "corporate lawyer"
on the WalMart BOD did he not? I wonder what his wife thought about that since his wife is also a corporate lawyer and is on the board of several for-profit-corps. She recently quit one of them due to negative publicity about the closing of one of the factories/plants which cost some minorities their jobs.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #115
124. Ridiculous indeed. I know he was trying to insult her but
couldn't figure out what the actual insult was supposed to be

Maye it was supposed to the Tourette strategy. Just yap out words

"corporate"...."board"...."lawyer"...."Walmart" and see if anything sticks



BTW Stop stalking Tom Brady:evilgrin:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:00 AM
Response to Original message
116. He was pointing out that the self-styled candidate of "change" was in fact a snobby rich elitist...
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 11:01 AM by truebrit71
...herself...

It was a BRILLIANT line, and judging by how shrill and bitchy she got about it, it obviously hit a nerve...

Note to HRC...people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, or do we need to start bringing up some of the more seedy stuff that happened the last time a Clinton was in the WH?

Step carefully ma'am...
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 11:14 AM
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119. I think he's pretty clearly anti-poor-people, yes.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:05 PM
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123. Given that she was first lady of Arkansas and Walmart is the most important
company in Arkansas, the fact that she was on it is not some totally unsurprising fact. Also, the company was managed considerably differently back then.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #123
132. You're kidding right? You just don't know how to put the sarcasm thingy up, right?
Edited on Tue Jan-22-08 01:23 PM by hedgehog
You can't be serious in suggesting that it's a good thing for the Governor of a state to have his wife on the payroll of the most important company in the state!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:43 PM
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125. K&R!
I'm sure it's much easier to defend being on the board of Wallmart than it is having shady dealings with Rezko.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:14 PM
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134. It is another thing that will undercut his electability
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 03:26 PM
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135. Being on the board of Walmart and allowing Walmart to take advantage of their workers
is different than shopping there. That isn't and never has been the augument with Walmart.

Oh, does Hillary do her shopping there?
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