A question: What did Hillary do to try to stop the war in 2002?

[IndianaGreen]

What did Hillary do to try to stop the war in 2003?
What did Hillary do to try to stop the war in 2004?
What did Hillary do to try to stop the war in 2005? (She voted for more war funds)
What did Hillary do to try to stop the war in 2006? (She voted for more war funds)
What did Hillary do to try to stop the war in 2007? (She voted for more war funds)

Hillary opposed John Kerry's troop withdrawal resolution in 2006, siding with Joe Lieberman.

[jlake]

1. Hillary is not perfect. But NO ONE SAYS SHE IS THE ANTI-WAR CANDIDATE

What people are pissed off with is the Fucking Dishonestly coming from the Obama campaign... he is NOT ANY MORE ANTI WAR THAN CLINTON.

[tabatha]

3. But neither has she apologized for her vote.

[jlake]

4. Actually she has. But that is not the point. The point is that Obama has

no right to claim he is anti-war.... it is called LYING and only the most uneducated rube would be duped by his outlandish claims.

[BenDavid]

12. why should she apologize. So you can see her grovel? It be a

cold day in hell before an apology comes from HRC. I for one agree with HRC..... HRC did better then John Kerry when he was asked, " if you knew then what you know now would you still vote to go to war?" KERRY answered.....do you remember? he said YES.....HRC when asked that same question said NO!


Obama is the anti war candidate but the problem with obama is the iraq war is not important on the minds of the american people....IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID....I believe I have heard that before......

[LittleBlue]

27. Do you believe economic prosperity has any correlation to the President?

It is mainly correlated to monetary policy, yet I see the same people repeating "the economy stupid" line.

[rodeodance]

32. so so many want ONLY that--to see her grovel. Then all is right with them.

[cali]

9. denial is not just a river.....

sure he is. For fuck's sake, he came out against the war before it even started, and although he's voted to fund it, he's also voted FIRST for every single bit of legislation mandating an end to the war. Her? Not so much.

[jlake]

11. Get real. He admits he does not know how he would have voted....

And judging form his poor record and being absent on Kyle-Lieberman, doubt he would take a principled stance.... and In 2004 claimed he had the same position as Bush... and has not done ANYTHING to stop the war, and on and on and on....

[Clarkansas]

15. Ah yes, the Bill Clinton lie lives on.

"NOT ANY MORE ANTI WAR THAN CLINTON"

Yes, I loved her anti-war speech in 2002. :eyes:
I really have no respect for some of you Clinton supporters, and the bullshit you spew.

[jlake]

19. This from someone sporting the avatar of the co-author of the IWR

....Obama is such a slimy operator. He would NOT have voted no on the IWR. What has he done since that would give me confidence he could make the stand?
Nothing, the guy has no core values and no substance.

[Clarkansas]

22. "no core values and no substance"

The definition of Clintonian triangulation.

[Andy823]

2. And what has Obama done

To stop the war?

[Renew Deal]

7. Do you realize how laughable your comment is

considering you have an Edwards avatar?

[Cha]

26. Are you even thinking before you

get on with an Obama snark?

[Renew Deal]

5. Hillary like her supporters are pro-war.

That's no secret.

[rodeodance]

33. I am not pro-war and do not like being accused of such!

[angie_love]

6. nothing, she supported the war

a meaningless war that killed thousands of innocent lives for no reason.

[OzarkDem]

8. Neither Obama nor Clinton want to be held accountable

while for anything during their Senate tenure's especially now, during this session.

God forbid they should show us deeds to match their words.

[cali]

10. bwahahaha.

And you with an Edwards avatar. Shameless. Obama has voted for every scrap of legislation mandating troop withdrawal and end to the war that EdWARds was so gung ho about. For three fucking years. Like Clinton, he has blood on his hands.

[OzarkDem]

16. Obama and Clinton are in the Senate now

Voting on something isn't enough if you're running for President and saying you will end the war. Obama and Clinton need to do more.

Edwards is not in the Senate right now. I'm pretty sure you know that.

[sandnsea]

36. Like introduce legislation to end it?

To fix your guy's fuck up?

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070130-obama_offers_pl_1/index.php

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

13. What did she do to try to stop the war in the 1990's?

When we just kept blowing things up and killing Iraqis in what we called the "no-fly zones"?

[MichiganVote]

14. I'm more intersted in who is going to end it and I think the public is too.

[BootinUp]

17. She voted for a threat of war to get UN inspectors back in Iraq.

I still think it was a no win situation for Democrats. If the Democrats had attempted to filibuster (note that not all would have participated anyways) that there is no guarantee we would not have invaded in March 03. The election could have gone much worse in Nov 02 for one thing. For another, Bush could have launched a war and expected enough public support to maintain it regardless of the Dems objections.

So the inpectors was a valid play, it had the opportunity to reduce public backing for the invasion further.

[rodeodance]

34. She has said that a zillion times. but the haters have not listened.

[IndianaGreen]

37. And when Bush ordered the inspectors out, what did Hillary do?

She cheered the invasion of Iraq along with just about everyone else, that's what she did!

[JoePhilly]

18. What did any GOP candidate do? And what do they plan to do now?

[sandnsea]

20. In Nov 2003 she said we should "stay the course"

I know she did that. I don't know why any DUer is supporting her. It's beyond comprehension.

[Samantha]

29. Exactly

How can Hillary Clinton present herself as someone who can lead us when the average member of this website would have had the good judgment not to give Bush* the benefit of the doubt on that resolution? To simply say had I known then what I know now I would not have signed that resolution just doesn't pass the smell test. WE KNEW THEN he could not be trusted -- how could she have not?

Hillary Clinton has done what she has done to protect her political interests. It's all about her. And because she did not have the fortitude to do the right thing when so many innocent lives were at stake, under what circumstances can she be expected to do the right thing -- when she's not running for office? That's not good enough.

She is the epitome of the classic Democratic Leadership Conference ideal. For so long now, many of us have absolutely recoiled at this conservative organization's position on many issues. How people here can support her is something I will never understand. Do they not get that connection?

[sandnsea]

35. She'a A Diva

and that's all I have to say about that.

[Nedsdag]

21. One word:

NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

[RufusTFirefly]

23. Hey! What's the big deal?! It's only dead people!! n/t

[Omega3]

24. I'm really sick of hearing him say

he was against the war when he voted for 300 billion of funding and voted for the patriot act. He wasn't in the US Senate for the vote he's alleging to. If anything this just proves how easily he can be bought if he was so anti-war before he got to the Senate and went along with everything since then. No wonder he's got 50million in his warchest. Where'd it come from???

[Cha]

25. Zip, Zero, Nada..almost like

she wanted it to go forward with her little helpful yea vote on the IWR. Afterall, they were promised by bush, cheney, rummy, con job and the rest that the Iraqis would be thowing chocolate and flowers and sadam was a bad man. But, like Howard Dean and Obama were saying back then and in 2004.. bush will make the Middle East a powder keg and the world isn't safer with sadam dead.

I among others were so furious at our senator way back in Oct 2002..and she did the same thing in 2007 with the vile kyl-lieman bill.

[Bonobo]

28. If the war is your major issue, Hillary SHOULD NOT be your 1st or 2nd choice. eom

[RufusTFirefly]

30. As long as war doesn't kill or maim people I personally know...

... it's no big deal. Kind of like a traffic jam on the way home from work. Oh sure, it's stressful, but you get over it. I mean, I can't mourn the death of everybody, can I? Besides, Iraq is full of primitive people incapable of appreciating democracy. And I have no idea what they're babbling anyhow. Why don't they get a clue and speak English?

:sarcasm:

[Bonobo]

31. Yeah, I was REALLY bummed about the war in 2003...

I even went and wasted a whole couple days protesting (as if that did any good!) Man, I swear, I was spitting mad!

In 2004, I felt like it would never end! We passed the 1,000 mark and I couldn't believe there were yellow ribbons on cars everywhere! Grrr, I hated those fucking Republicans! Man! I'm telling you!

In 2005, I was starting to feel some fatigue, but oh boy, you bet I kept on calling my senators! I wrote emails, gave money to Democratic candidates, you know! I bet you were the same way!

In 2006, I felt the change coming! There was a wave of anti-war feelings in the air! People were sick of it! The mainstream finally was starting to get it! Then the election! Oh my god! It exceeded my wildest hopes! Now things were definitely going to change! Thos first 20-30 days were incredible! Godamn! The Dems would move fast and strike, armed with the unassailable power of the mandate they had received! Both houses! I couldn't remember things looking that good since the 90's!

In 2007, I started to really, really appreciate how bad things were. We had been had -by our own side. Throw out the rule book...what the fuck is going on here!? That's where I was in 2007. Desperate, desperate cynicism and loss of hope.

2008... Who the fuck knows. Who cares about the Iraq War anymore. Economy so fucked up, gas so high, oil so high, getting old, gotta find a job, can't afford health insurance but can't cut back cause you're already in that last bracket with the $50 co-pays and the $10,000 deductibles. Couldn't take that vacation with the family anymore. Wondering if it's smart living in such a cold part of the country. Where will food come from if the shit really hits the fan? Car gone, it was leased. What the fuck do I do now. Gotta buy a used one....

War? What war was that?

:sarcasm: or is it?

[David Zephyr]

38. War in Iraq? There's a war in Iraq? Really?

How convenient for the Clintons that the war in Iraq is not even in the headlines.