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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:41 PM
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"It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake."
November 13th, 2005:

I was wrong.

Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told -- and what many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But in fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction when our forces invaded Iraq in 2003. The intelligence was deeply flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda.

It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for that mistake. It has been hard to say these words because those who didn't make a mistake -- the men and women of our armed forces and their families -- have performed heroically and paid a dear price.

...

While we can't change the past, we need to accept responsibility, because a key part of restoring America's moral leadership is acknowledging when we've made mistakes or been proven wrong -- and showing that we have the creativity and guts to make it right....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101623.html
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:47 PM
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1. a very respectable
humble, and honorable man. Speaking a difficult truth.

Thank you for posting this.

Peace~
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:48 PM
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2. He seemed to make a lot of "mistakes" in his Senate votes
Saying "oops, my bad" after the fact just seems to be more a political ploy than actual regret.
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ornbudsman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:51 PM
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4. i do think he's sorry
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 01:55 PM by ornbudsman
sorry it's costing him

sorry his vote for MFN-China cost him too

sorry some people notice he co-sponsored huge H-1b increase during the tech crash, devestating workers (S2045)

I think he spends nights in his great big mansion worrying about how this will affect HIM

but at the moment of decision, he didnt seem to care about who would lose their jobs, or die
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:53 PM
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5. No he made a few mistakes
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:58 PM
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10. Hillary doesn't see her similar vote as a mistake ...to me acknowledging it is better
especially now that blood has been lost.
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ornbudsman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:51 PM
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3. actually, he CO-SPONSORED it, with lieberman
it's one thing to be fooled about a vote, but a co-sponsorship?

same thing on H-1b S-2045 from y2000
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:54 PM
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7. To me that would say he really believed it and acted on his belief
And to me that would indicate that his admission that he was wrong is all the more real
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ornbudsman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:56 PM
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9. not real enought to mention he co-sponsored it though
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 02:00 PM by ornbudsman
;)

this isnt something he 'went along with', this is something he PUSHED! He's not the folower, he's the ARCHITECT!

His 'apology' does NOT concede this fact!

A lawyer's apology if I ever heard one
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:04 PM
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13. What would you like him to do. Chop off a finger in penance?
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ornbudsman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:06 PM
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14. no, but
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 02:14 PM by ornbudsman
i'd believe him if the apology were a little more honest, and a littile less self serving

i judge it in context of his 'poverty' crying, after voting MFN-China and co-sponsoring H-1b visa

He still supported raising H-1b this summer, after all the devestation he did in the past with it

If it has been raised last year, can you imagine what would be happening now?
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:28 PM
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15. And now he is the ONLY one who is speaking up
for the vets. He mentions them in EVERY speech he gives. And because of that there may be some movement to get them some help.

zalinda
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ornbudsman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:35 PM
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16. and by some coincidence
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 03:28 PM by ornbudsman
it's politically popular to say so. standing up for veterans, boy that's a big political risk. if it goes well, he may even praise Mom and apple pie

would have been even better if he hadnt gotten them injured in the first place

he has ALWAYS made political hay out of the damage he does

He crys about poverty, but he voted MFN-China and co-sponsored H-1b - still favored increasing it again last summer

He crys about our veterans, but he's the one who ignored Ritter and co-sponsored the Iraq war bill with NEOCON Lieberman

and then there was this little exchange, i saw the debate and almost fell out of my chair. Classic John Edwards 2 faced BS

http://www.tcf.org/Publications/HomelandSecurity/candidatetracking.pdf

SEN. EDWARDS: I want to go back for just a minute though to this whole discussion about our liberties and about what we see happening in America today, because I think it is so fundamental. First, I want to say that this idea that the FBI is increasing surveillance of anti-war protestors, which Reverend Sharpton just made reference to, is outrageous. What kind of McCarthyism is that? And, on top of that—on top of that, they have a policy that allows them to arrest an American citizen on American soil, label them an enemy combatant, put them in prison, keep them there indefinitely—they never see a lawyer, never see a judge, never get a hearing. These violate the very heart and soul of this country. These folks will change the fabric of America if we let them, and we have got to stand up and speak out. MR.

BROKAW: But, Senator Edwards, as I remember, your colleague Russ Feingold was the only senator who said just that when this bill was before your chamber, and you voted for the Patriot Act as a lawyer. You knew what was in it.

OOPS!!!!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:53 PM
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6. Scott Ritter knew for absolute certain that there was no cause for invasion.
However, they destroyed him & then ignored his ass right up to the end. There was no stopping guys like Edwards at the time, they were too interested in backing a "sure thing".
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ornbudsman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:03 PM
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11. Ritter knew better than anyone
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 02:09 PM by ornbudsman
nobody knew more first hand than him

an unqualified patriot, who really risked his life serving in iraq, prior to the invasion, trying to avoid war, and his reputation speaking the truth in washington

his military and political courage make him the Marine of our time
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Cadwallader Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:08 PM
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18. which is why they kneecapped him
.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:54 PM
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8. That is how you admit a mistake...
Hillary, take note.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 02:03 PM
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12. This was by John Edwards
important info that wasn't included in the OP
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:06 PM
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17. You're right, I probably should have mentioned that, but it's at the link I included. NT
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