Hope they run that fossil McCain. He'll run on the "the jobs aren't coming back" theme

[The_Casual_Observer]

and the "we've got to cut those "entitlements"" and "We need to stay in Iraq for 1000 years".

On that basis he could run unopposed & lose.

[rusty quoin]

1. I worry about McCain. People don't pay attention,

especially independents. And the media will beef him up, you know, 'the maverick.'

[totodeinhere]

2. Don't call him a "fossil."

That's ageism at it's very worst and it's not what Democrats should stand for.

[MercerForPrez]

3. Agreed

Offensive and ban-worthy.

[Ikonoklast]

10. I agree, McCain's an offensive fossil

If you find a post offensive, hit the 'alert'.

The Mods know how to run this site.

[The_Casual_Observer]

12. Not only a fossil but a lunatic fossil.

[tokenlib]

4. And when are "those" jobs coming back???

It was a tactless and rude comment. But it may be true..

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. The guy's advice is to get retrained for heath services

and massage therapy. His outlook is a hopeless barren wasteland of Walmart & hospital workers.

[sandnsea]

18. That is very good advise

Health care is the only growth industry. And the investor class has got to have something to make them feel as pampered as the 1%. Truly, on pure reality, those are two good ideas for anybody.

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. It's not sustainable. It creates no value, it's a secondary support

activity.

[sandnsea]

23. It's reality

When I came here 5 years ago I used to tell young people to invest invest invest. Our country would be made up of the investor class and those who serve them. I was thinking 20 years down the road, but it's moved a little faster than I thought. In many ways, we're there. That's the reality. Manufacturing is global, US citizens make their money by investing in it. The US economy is currently based on managing the global economy or spending the dividends from the investments, for the most part. If you didn't invest, and aren't inventive or artistic, you better get a career taking care of boomers or investors. Don't shoot the messenger.

[amandabeech]

28. Where is here?

Did you come from another country?

[sandnsea]

30. Here DU here

:hi:

[amandabeech]

32. Thanks for the wave, but I disagree strongly with your post.

I will not accept the economic defeat for hundreds of millions of my fellow citizens who are not investors, inventive or artistic. I will fight with everything that I have to avoid throwing away that many lives.

I also remind you that the "global" manufacturing means manufacturing in the manner most likely to harm the global environment. I fight that, too.

You sound very young, like many here. I don't understand why all the fight is out of you so soon.

Perhaps because you see yourself as inventive or artistic?

I don't shoot messengers, but I do shoot cold-hearted defeatists.

[sandnsea]

33. I am 50

People have to support themselves. It's reality. Health care is the only growth industry. It's true. There is a growing investor class that will want to be pampered. Also true.

You go ahead and tell them to wait around while you fight to bring back manufacturing jobs. John McCain just told people the truth.

How do you think people should support themselves?

[amandabeech]

34. I simply will never accept your truth.

I've seen your posts elsewhere, and we live on different planets.

We don't have decent jobs now, but health care is not the answer for the U.S. and you know that's the truth, too. People have to do what they have to do, but in jobs, one size does not fit all. We don't need quitters without the vaunted imaginations. That doesn't solve problems.

[sandnsea]

35. There's an aging boomer population

We're going to get sick. What in the world is wrong with telling young people they can have a secure career in health care?

You can't just tear everything down without anything to put in its place. And no matter how health care is paid for, it will still require human beings to do the work.

Or they could just keep waiting around to build cars that are causing the destruction of the planet anyway. Is that your solution?

[amandabeech]

36. We need a MIX of jobs.

Health care is one, but there have to be more, and you cannot expect a stable population without that mix. YOU can't just tear up lives without putting anything else there. Investing is good, but not many people will ever get to the level that they will be supporting themselves. Get real.

We will need transportation no matter what, and that will include public and some sort of personal transport. I would rather that it be manufactured in a place with high labor and environmental standards. Globalization does nothing but knock those standards down to the lowest bidder. Recently in the NYT (or possibly the post) a Chinese official stated that low wages were not as important as lack of any regulation in any field in pushing the world's manufacturing to China. I suggest that you engage in a little research on a variety of sites before you discuss transportation, energy and the environment.

[sandnsea]

37. Pressure will be put on other countries

to raise their environmental and labor standards. We will get some jobs in emerging technologies, but people who are inclined to go into science are already doing that. Most of the unskilled labor is just not going to be done here anymore. Regardless, none of that changes the reality that health care is going to be the main employer for the next 30 years. It's not a bad recommendation for people to choose a career in health care. It's also not a bad recommendation for people to realize the economic reality we're in and choose to protect themselves if they can. Choosing a service job is not going to get people anywhere, like you say. I think young people are making very different choices than their parents and grandparents did. An entry level job used to take yous somewhere. Now it's a dead-end. You're either a professional and part of the investor class. Or you're serving them you're entire life. Very serious choices these days.

[amandabeech]

38. Thank you for your responses.

We are on opposite ends of this debate, and neither of us is going to convince the other.

Let's just leave it at that.

[LongTomH]

39. Health Care is being outsourced and "insourced"

X-rays are being sent to India to for interpretation. Probably lab work as well.

And, take a walk through the corridors of you local hospital and listen to the accents. A lot of nurses and techs are foreign nationals on H1-B visas. A few years ago, we were being told that "you're safe if you're on a hands-on occupation." Fact, those can be done by contractors on H1-B's. :mad:

[BenDavid]

5. you are right Casual....mccain will run on that same old tired

repuke lower taxes etc etc......he will try to tell us he has never flip flopped and then Move On will run an ad showing his 15 plus flip flops on a range of issues..a couple....McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

I’d love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to illegal and dangerous operations.99

MCCAIN: I don’t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it’s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should — could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I support.

STEPHANOPOULOS: And you’d be for that?

MCCAIN: Yes, because I’m a federalist. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states. And I don’t believe the Supreme Court should be legislating in the way that they did on Roe v. Wade.06

[snot]

6. Last poll I saw showed him beating all Dems except Edwards. nt

[Tulkas]

14. 5 week old poll

stop getting your info from Edward's TV Commercials.

[snot]

25. Don't watch tv; get my info here. I'd apprec. more recent info, esp. if includes Edwards? nt

[CK_John]

8. McCain is just a place holder, They will run a ringer like CJ J. Roberts or Lynne Cheney. n/t

[robbedvoter]

9. That, and 100 years in Iraq - people had enough of war!

[ShadowLiberal]

11. I disagree, people love him for telling the truth and saying that stuff

The problem is McCain's "straight talk" and telling people stuff they don't want to hear is what makes him appeal to many people.

Worst yet, with the media going "the surge is working" his Iraq talk won't bother people as much.

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. Only, it's the kind of talk that's OK as long as it's about somebody else's

problems. People aren't going to buy that shit when they realize that the "straight talk" is being directed at them.

[Radical Activist]

27. Put that up against a candidate like Hillary who changes with every new poll.

It will be a complete disaster.

[Tulkas]

13. He said that in Michigan,. I live in Michigan and...

Respect him for calling it as he sees it.


Anyone, Like Romney, can walk in and promise the all the jobs that went overseas will come back if you just vote for him.


Insulting someone for being honest is foolish, are you a Clinton supporter?

[The_Casual_Observer]

16. Seems to me he got beaten in Michigan. So much for all that respect.

[Tulkas]

29. hehe.. good one

I didn't vote for him. I voted Uncommitted on the Dem ticket.


My point still stands, Romney came here and lied to us. McCain came here and told us the truth as he saw it.

Even if that did not earn him my vote, in a Clinton v McCain match up you will have one candidate who will tell the truth even when it hurts his campaign running against someone who will lie every chance she gets, and she gets plenty of chances.


Don't fool yourself, McCain is a good candidate.

[Unsane]

17. Be careful what you wish for.

McCain is dangerous. He appeals to independents and he has a compelling life story.

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. Once he starts in about "entitlements" he's finished.

And he's crazy enough to do it.

[Unsane]

20. He'll frame it differently

He'll call it "pork"

[The_Casual_Observer]

21. No, he'll get tangled up in a discussion of Medicare & Social Security

& it will be over. He'll be skinned alive.

[jzodda]

24. I like the man, but our side has the right ideas for this country

He belongs in the Senate anyway where he can help usher through Democratic legislation under a Clinton or Obama presidency :) He is right on some issues, very wrong on others but he's a deal maker and the Senate is where he can best help this nation.

As for the Fossil title, thats pretty mean. I can only hope I am as much a "Fossil" as he is when I get to his age. The notion that old people don't have anything to contribute to this country except to just die is just more reasons why I feel we are going downhill fast into the gutter but thats a subject for another time.

[Radical Activist]

26. No, he'll run on being able to stand for something even when its unpopular.

People want that and Hillary can't respond to it.

[Tulkas]

31. I agree

Straight shooter v habitual lier


who would you vote for?