35 Years of Experience? Doing What Hillary?

[DaLittle Kitty]

(edited for copyright purposes-proud patriot Moderator Democratic Underground)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ari-emanuel/the-curious-math-of-hilla_b_82028.html

I've had a feww concerns about this claim... among others made by Mrs. Clinton for some time now... This is worthy of consideration...
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The Curious Math of Hillary's "35 Years of Experience"

Posted January 17, 2008 | 02:27 PM (EST)
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Hillary Clinton keeps talking about her 35 years of experience. "I am offering 35 years of experience making change," she said in New Hampshire. "I'm not just running on a promise of change, I'm running on 35 years of change." And she repeatedly mentioned the 35 years again in this week's debate in Las Vegas.

Well, Senator Clinton, I'm confused. I've done the math. You're 60, which means that 35 years ago you were 25. And I Googled your name, looking for all the change you were making as a 25 year old and, frankly, I'm not finding much. You were going to Yale Law School at the time -- which I'm sure was a personally transformative experience, but it's hardly the kind of change that should count on one's Presidential Training Experience resume, is it? Is that when you started your personal Working-for-Change-O-Meter?

That summer, the summer of 1972, you campaigned in Texas for George McGovern's unsuccessful presidential bid. A worthy -- if ultimately futile -- endeavor to be sure, but a notch on your Years of Change belt? Kind of a stretch, don't you think?

But as liberal as you are with your Experience Arithmetic, you are awfully stingy when it comes to the experience and background of Barack Obama.

[joeybee12]

1. Well, more than you probably...

...Hillary became an activist in college and has been that way ever since...

[joeybee12]

2. Well, more than you probably...

...Hillary became an activist in college and has been that way ever since...

[gdaerin]

47. yes but What did she Do as an activist, or is

just Being an activist an experience that prepares you to run the country?

[grantcart]

3. "getting ready for day one" lol

It doesn't matter if it is of substance just keep repeating it

[ccpup]

8. do you even know what you're talking about? didn't think so.

here, take a look and then try and rehash this tired, ridiculous "doesn't have experience" argument.

...

Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

...

as for repeating things of little substance, you shouldn't throw stones.

[gdaerin]

49. A lot of those examples are of her being a good fundraiser

and I don't think that's necessarily good experience for a President.

Think about it, how do you get funding? You make promises, you make deals.

Oh, and I notice you didn't mention her experiences that are controversial or shady, kind of biased don't you think?

Wouldn't Those experiences also be relevant to the question of whether she has the necessary experience to run the country?

[grantcart]

57. Another humorless Clinton-bot misses the point

People talk about the Obama followers having a cult like trajectory should really look at the way Clintonphiles never miss any possible slight or comment. Of course this zealous approach keeps them from seeing the more substantive point that is being made.

In this case my point was not that she didn't have experience but that everything she has done over the last 35 years has been "preparing Hillary Clinton for day one". It means that everything in your list was done with an eye on how it would effect the eventual presidential candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

How do we know this? Bill told us. He told us how when they were courting and talking of their youthful ambition to someday run for president that they seriously seperating, and he advised doing so, as it would enhance her chances of becomeing president. (Now please don't try the tired Clinton response "they all are that way" because Edwards didn't start thinking of a political option until after reassessing his life after his son's death and Obama had a more community/academic ambition -if he was thinking of political options as the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review he could have had better exposure and more money clerking at the Supreme Court or any other dozen scenarios)

But all of this is irrelevent. I don't fault Bill for being singularly obsessed with Whitehouse ambition so why would I Hllary. The reason that I will not vote for Hillary is not because she wasn't calculating for the whitehouse but because of the calculus she does. There are to many cynical acts to list (like the last minute challange to Nevada caucus rules they are added on to every day, so I always come to a single question;

Since you are calculating for a whitehouse run why in the world would you have a reapproachment with Rupert Murdoch who has done more than anyone to destroy the Democratic Party and progressive issues. With all of that experience why take his money why let him host a fund raiser for you?

Here's a bonus question; If the Clinton's find that they are not going to be the nominee are they going to, in very subtle ways, undermine an Obama candidacy (by say repeatedly having surrogates talk about his drug use during the primary) so that when 71 year old McCain wins the general that she will be in a good position to run in 2012. Before you cry foul how outrageous this please face the nihilistic cynacism that going to bed with Rupert Murdoch is.

Edwards and Obama are flawed folks and I like them both. When Clinton appears normal then she is a winner in New Hampshire. This obsessive penchant to paint Hillary in Super Uber tones is ridiculous, its chilling in its dimension but and here is the irony is instinctively disliked by the populace and remains her greatest obstacle to ever achieve her dream of actually being the person in charge "On Day One"

[harun]

4. I saw her make the claim she was the most experienced as well

and I don't think that is accurate. I also don't think experience is all that much of an asset in this election. People are pissed and they want change. A long list of experience doesn't bode well for change to me it means you have been involved in the culture of Washington for so long you will have a hard time thinking outside the box.

[DaLittle Kitty]

7. Experience Being on The Short end of A Philanderer Perhaps Though Not Much Else!

:nuke:

[ccpup]

9. you really are that stupid, aren't you?

[cali]

28. yes

that poster really is.

[ccpup]

31. I just don't understand it

what drives someone to Post something inflammatory and then ignore the facts when presented?

I WISH I had that kind of free time, although I don't know if I'd want the childhood issues that perhaps drive someone to act like this.

Ask for clarification, receive it, say Thank You, read it, try to understand it and move on.

[LostinVA]

34. Ugh -- nasty

[here_is_to_hope]

50. Any bugs under your rock? n/t

[ccpup]

5. I guess being pegged by President Carter to work for the Legal

Services Corporation somehow doesn't count? It was just the beginning. And that was before knowing Bill.

As for your Googling, you may just want to Wikipedia it. There's a ton of information there for people who have a sincere desire to learn.

But if you're just wanting to resurrect a tired, played-out argument without knowing your asshole from your elbow, well, have at it.

[Nedsdag]

54. Wrong!

When Carter named her to LSC, she was married to Bill.

[wyldwolf]

6. 35 years of experience (plus more) right here!

Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971: Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

*** The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)***

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (Lost)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (Won)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

* She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

* Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

* Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

* Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07

When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''

1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety




Sources:

Wikipedia
Firstladies.org
Alternet
hillaryclinton.com

[ccpup]

10. give it a rest, wyldwolf

sad to say, but I don't that you'll be working with Full Decks here, if you know what I mean.

[wyldwolf]

18. facts always brings out the inner cry babies in these people

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. 7 years maybe

but not 35 yrs. you can't use 'making tea for old ladies' at the governors house or the white house experience for a presidency.

[DaLittle Kitty]

13. Undeniably Correct Conclusion!

[ccpup]

making tea? don't think so.

After becoming chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee in 1979, she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

She also chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

56. Obama was on the senate

she was on a few committees

[cali]

29. yeah, because that's really what Clinton did.

sexist bullshit.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

55. what's sexist?

[DaLittle Kitty]

12. Blah, Blah, Blah... Conveniently Left Out the Goldwater Stuff!

"Oh and I prayed a lot and thought a lot and prayed some more... " Relentlessly pandering and lying for votes! PI would not trust Hillary as far as I could throw her... and that ain't very fer!

[wyldwolf]

14. No I didn't. DaLittle Kitty opens mouth and inserts foot

[ccpup]

17. DaLittle Kitty's been inhaling way too much stinky cat litter

[TwilightZone]

37. Did you notice...

...the Freudian slip?

PI would not trust Hillary as far as I could throw her... and that ain't very fer!

Hmmm....

[rinsd]

16. But you trust John Edwards, who has spent all of 2007 pretending 1998-2004 never happened.

:shrug:

You asked what her experience was.

A detailed list was provided.

[ccpup]

20. doesn't matter

not playing with a Full Deck is a blissfully fact-free experience, you know :evilgrin:

[wyldwolf]

21. so, by DaLittle Kitty's reasoning, Edwards has NO experience

[ccpup]

23. reasoning? DaLittle Kitty? oh, wyldwolf

you slay me :rofl: :spray:

[wyldwolf]

24. put up Obama's resume and we'll compare.

[ccpup]

33. is it me, or is there just a big blank page?

:evilgrin:

[TwilightZone]

22. Look again.

Goldwater is mentioned.

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. Um, Goldwater ran in 1964. That was 43 years ago

The time scale of the OP is 35 years, remember? Hillary is not claiming experience from High School.

Do you even know who Saul Alinsky is? I'm sure that Barack Obama does. I was trained in community organizing by Mike Miller in S.F. who was one of Alinsky's "lieutenants". I am impressed that she chose to do a thesis on Alinsky, that he wanted to hire her because of it, and even that she turned him down. Now I want to read that thesis.

[TwilightGardener]

19. Chaired this, served on the board of that, was a lawyer. No doubt she was

an active First Lady and used her position for the better, but not seeing any more of the "stuff of Preznits" on here--of her OWN merit--than Obama has under his belt.

[wyldwolf]

25. put up Obama's resume and we'll compare.

[TwilightGardener]

36. Well, off the top of my head, he's had more total years in elected office, he

served as a civil rights attorney, a community activist, a Constitutional Law lecturer--for his age, he does have an excellent record of public service. He's 15 years younger, so that has to be factored in, but all told, his resume is not too shabby by comparison--and he is a self-made man. Did not require his spouse to place him into a position where he could make a name for himself and have an impact. Not bad.

[wyldwolf]

38. ..as a part-time state senator.

he served as a civil rights attorney, a community activist, a Constitutional Law lecturer

What is a "community activist?" Hell, I'M a community activist! Does that compare to Hillary's pro bono child advocacy, serving as a legal consultant for the Carnegie Council on Children, providing free legal advice for the poor at Yale University... etc.?

Civil Rights attorney? So was Hillary. In fact, she worked for one of the most liberal law firms in the country - Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland.

Constitutional Law lecturer? Hillary was one of only two female faculty members at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law. She was the first woman to make partner at Rose Law Firm.

Did not require his spouse to place him into a position where he could make a name for himself and have an impact.

Neither did Hillary. Before she married Bill Clinton in 1975, Hillary was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of the new generation of student leaders, served on Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education, helped defend the black panthers, worked on Eugene McCarthy's and George McGovern's campaigns, and served on the Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.

[TwilightGardener]

41. Honestly, they have roughly similar resumes, factoring in their ages--

except again, Obama became an ELECTED OFFICIAL and a US Senator of his own accord, not because of who he was married to--hard-working though she may be, she was elected AFTER she was famous. I don't remember the correct term for his work with voters in poor neighborhoods in Chicago, hence "community activist". And the "firsts" as a woman--don't make me pull out "First Black President of Harvard Law Review" on your ass!

[gdaerin]

51. oh I notice you didn't mention she failed her 1st attempt at the bar exam

that must have been a very humbling experience, and that's good right?

We definately do want a president who is humble and willing to admit when they make mistakes, for instance a mistake like voting for a war . . .

wait,

oh, yeah,

ok, scratch all that, that experience doesn't count because she obviously didn't learn anything from it!

[wintersoulja]

15. low prices, always

A huge achievement really. Credit where its due.

[Perry Logan]

26. More than Obama, no matter how you slice it.

[Barack_America]

32. He's not running his campaign on "experience"....

...and that makes a BIG difference. He's not claiming that he has more experience than anybody else. She is, but doesn't.

Obama was brilliant to campaign around "HOPE" because:
1. It's basically undeniable that he does give people hope (you've seen his rallies)
2. Who the hell wants to be seen fighting against hope (particularly when we're in a recession and at war)

[Barack_America]

30. It was a BAD idea to base her campaign on this so-called "EXPERIENCE"...

That can, and will be, mercilessly picked apart (particularly if she made it to the general election). If she gets to count law school as "working for change", then McCain would certainly be able to count time spent in that Vietnamese pit as the same. Hmm, I wonder which experience Americans would find more compelling? Also, as has been mentioned here before, counting the time she spend as First Lady as "working for change" makes her subject to attack for her husband's policies as well as her own. By claiming "change" during this period, she's claiming that she played a large role in shaping those policies, right?

The campaign she is currently running is designed to deliver us our worst fears. She very well may beat the young, talented and supposedly "inexperienced" Barack Obama, but she'll never make it out of the general election alive. GOP strategists must be positively giddy that she's given them an infallible way of bringing her down.

[ccpup]

35. an infallible way how?

are you even aware of her accomplishments?

[Barack_America]

42. Infallible in the sense that...

A large percentage of this country (some dems and a lot of independents included) see her as a, "calculating bitch" (direct quote from someone I know).

If she's also determined to be lying about and padding her experience record, that is:
1). Going to make that "calculating bitch" sentiment resonate with others
2). Going to drag in the whole Bill Clinton vs. the neo-cons bullshit (as they will certainly cherrypick apart his policies in order to determine her involvement in each and every one)

I'm not saying she's an awful person, I'm just saying the "experience" platform was foolish, particularly when she knew that McCain might get the GOP nod. She should've picked something more intangible, like...I don't know...Determination.

[ccpup]

46. again, I'm not sure if you're aware of her accomplishments

as for "calculating bitch", although it's common in this country to demean a successful woman in that way and with those words, I don't know if it will be as successful as you hope. And I'm not quite sure how to address your whole "cherry-picking" subject as any Dem who runs will get cherry-picked to death.

One of the upsides of the Repugs focusing on the Clinton Years is that, for much of the Country, many hold fond memories from that time of first time home ownership, college tuition being paid and being financially solvent perhaps for the first time in a long time if not in their entire lives. If the repugs open that door, Clinton can counter with a laundry list of positive things that came about from the last Democrat in Office (not necessarily taking credit for anything or using Bill's name) and suggest that perhaps the Country was better off with a Dem at the helm.

Again, I suspect you have little to no idea of what she's actually accomplished and, working from this place of being stubbornly unaware, it can probably sound like "padding" to you. But it's not.

Perhaps you may want to do a cursory read of Wikipedia or something before you decide she's a "calculating bitch" who's "padding" her resume.

[Barack_America]

53. Wow. I specifically state that the quote was somebody else's

And yet you turn around and claim it is mine. You are a worthy Clinton supporter.

And yes, if she's claiming that she gained worthy experience about how to run our country as President while she was in law school, then yes, she is padding.

The question is not how much I know about her record, but how much others know about her in general. It is also about whether or not she will be able to change the feelings they developed for her during Bill's presidency. I suspect not.

Good day.

[Evergreen Emerald]

39. my god. How many times has this been posted? Don't you people read?

There is post after post of her awesome achievements in her extensive career. It is there for people to see if they really want to. If they just want to spam with crap, then continue to post this twisted condescending crap.

[DaLittle Kitty]

58. Hillary IS MOST Famous for "Tolerating" A Perrenially Philandering Husband!

Nothing in her history eclipses this matter which demonstrates her complete lack of character and integrity. :)

[Perry Logan]

40. One thing's for certain: the "experience" meme drives the anti-Hillarites nuts.

So be sure to bring it up a lot.

[Barack_America]

43. I've been going to the doctor all of my life, shouldn't I have a medical degree already?

I ride the bus to work everyday, shouldn't I be licensed to drive one?

I eat everyday, why do I still cook for shit?

Anybody got any others?

[Bread and Circus]

44. Well, when I retire I figure I will pass on my medical practice

to my wife and children and they can take care of the patients. By that time they will 35 years of experience of being related to a doctor, which will highly qualify them to render medical care.

[Barack_America]

45. I think you should. And, yes, I think they would be highly qualified...n/t

[Sparkly]

48. Seems like THIS is the new "Al Gore said he invented the internet."

No matter how many times people post information, the same "35 years doing what" questions are repeated.

[loveangelc]

52. I really am not impressed by her "experience."

I have yet to see something that sticks out as just soooooo remarkable that would make her more qualified for the presidency than anyone else.