Obama or Hillary ? I choose Hillary,

[BenDavid]

You have to look hard to find anything that Clinton and Obama don't agree on.
So there's really no way to choose between them based on the issues. So what it
comes down to is - which Democrat is going to win against the Republicans?

Some people are afraid of Hillary because the Republicans will get mean and dirty
and Democrats don't like to fight dirty. But the Republicans are going to get dirty
no matter who the candidate is.

Look what they did to Al Gore!
Look what they did to John Kerry!
So if anyone thinks that the Republican are going to be nice to Obama
-- all I can say is, you have a lot more "hope" than I do.

If Democrats are going to win we are going to have to elect the man who is our
toughest candidate. Gore and Kerry were not tough enough to beat Bush.

Is Obama tougher that Gore and Kerry? No!
But is Hillary tougher than Gore and Kerry?
Yes she is!
This election, our best man is a woman.

Marc Perkel

[AGirl]

1. Hillary or Obama? who cares.

It's like asking about Coke or Pepsi.

[rAVES]

4. I like to mix the two together, I call it Pepola!

still tastes the same...

[quinnox]

2. Hillary is by far the toughest and she knows how to beat them

Hillary has the steel in her and no one else running comes close. The republicans are going to take a beating again from her if she is able to be the nominee. Hillary is brilliant and also ruthless so the GOP can try their damndest but it won't work.

[rAVES]

3. shocking and groundbreaking.. a truly original outlook, are you a scientist?

:sarcasm:

[mojowork_n]

5. Yeah, that's been obvious, after this many posts

but your analysis this time -- their positions are the same (!?!) -- fails to persuade.

Or even engage.

But hang in there. With all the help she's been getting on the 24 hour news channels, your candidate's actual chances are looking much, much better than any real, insightful, merely rhetorical argument, meriting her selection as the candidate.

And that's an increasing source of frustration, for our side.

Good night, Marc.

Mike

[demzilla]

6. Godzilla vs. Bambi

Politics is a blood sport. Nice guys finish last. Pat Buchanan, commenting two days ago on MSNBC, said of Obama, "The Republicans are going to eat him alive" in the general election.

This is my main concern about Obama. It may be noble to try to rise above the game; it was Henry Clay who said, "I'd rather be right than be president." Well, we all remember the accomplishments of the Clay Administration.

I'd rather we elect a Democratic president, even a less lofty or noble-sounding one, and then get things done; and to do that we need someone who can bust some heads. (With that in mind, I'm voting for Edwards, with Clinton as my second choice.)

I wrote about this on my blog: http://clldiary.blogspot.com/2008/01/uh-oh-obama.html

[angie_love]

8. Hillary is extremely polarizing

I just read a comment on an article posted today where one said "Thank god you guys are picking Hillary as the nom, she is going to rally our bases and unite the republicans, people in the south hate Hillary and will never vote for her so thank you thank you thank you". I think Obama can at least appeal to independents & moderate republicans who are disgusted with Bush. Hillary is just not likeable unfortunately.

[emilyg]

15. Link please.

[pnwmom]

18. JFK was polarizing. FDR was extremely polarizing.

ANY truly effective Democratic president is going to drive the Rethugs crazy.

Regarding likability . . .

Like Hillary, I used to think Obama was very likable. Since that last debate, however, I've changed my mind. But he's likable enough.

[BluegrassDem]

7. It's not about who's tough, it's about who can turn out the vote

And Hillary is toxic now to the party in swing states. She's very polarizing. Now even black people don't like her. How the hell is she supposed to win the big midwestern states w/out a huge black turnout in her favor? But worse than that, she's gonna kill the Dems on down ticket races. She's very bad for the party and shouldn't be the nominee.

[Big Blue Marble]

9. Wisely said.

May elected Democrats in red states and swing states, including yours and mine, are very worried about those down state races.
If she would win, it would either be close enough to be stolen or leaving her with no mandate to govern.

But the worse impact of her candidacy could be the damage to Congress. With the right candidate, we can make gains in the Senate and the House.
With Hillary we could lose control, if not this year in two years. And the effect could have significant impacts on state races as well.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

10. If Obama's a true party loyalist, it'd be his responsibility to help bring back black voters

Should Hillary get the nomination. It's crucial that we get a Dem in the White House, that's all that matters. So I'm sure Obama would keep encouraging blacks to vote for Hillary, if he's loyal to the party. Maybe that's a big "if", after all Clinton wasn't as good of a president as Reagan in his mind, so we'll see.

[TheWraith]

13. You assume that anybody could bring them back if Hillary wins.

Can you imagine the bitterness they'd feel if, after having had a serious black candidate for the first time, he loses the primary to someone putting out the kind of trash-talk and bullshit that the Clinton camp has? If I were a black voter, I'd be angry beyond belief, and not even having my guy be a gracious loser could make me eat that.

And please, try to actually listen to what Obama said about Reagan, which was that he changed the direction of the country more than any other president since the 60s. He never said he agreed with Reagan's choices.

[emilyg]

16. You need to change your post count - quick. (666)

[TheWraith]

11. And with 48% negatives, they've already got a 15 year head start on trashing Hillary.

And they're going to resurrect every misstep, every bullshit story, every smear and allegation of the Clinton years. Count on it.

Marc, normally I like what you write, but I think you're making a mistake here. The baggage she brings with her is HUGE, and you've already got a guaranteed 45% of the country that won't vote for her no matter what. Compare that to somebody with NO real baggage, who's already proven to be pretty much teflon when it comes to nasty attacks, and put that up against the doddering collection of madmen the Republicans have.

They desperately want the election to be about our candidate's negatives, because that's their only hope of winning. If it's about our candidate's positives, then they have nothing to point at and change the subject to when people start calling them on their insanity.

[LulaMay]

12. She is solid. She will cream them in debates.

He is just not as strong in that area.

[Tulkas]

14. They don't agree on some pretty big things

MLK/LBJ

Hillary thinks that the establishment was more important than the grass roots movement,
Obama believes that the civil rights movement was more important than the administration in power at the time.

Health Care

Hillary believes that the government should create a new system and require all Americans to participate in it.
Obama believes in creating a health care system that all Americans want to participate in.


Hillary believes in micro management of anything she is in charge of
Obama believes in delegating the paperwork and concentrating on people

Hillary believes in using an essay written in kindergarten to attack an opponent
Obama believes in discussing issues and avoiding personal attacks

Hillary believes in accepting money from Lobbyists
Obama refuses to accept money from Lobbyists (as does Edwards)


Obama believes in expanding the base for the Democratic party and trying to unify the country
Hillary already has almost half the country saying they will never vote for her (I am one of them) she will deepen the divides in this country if she wins the nomination


Obama believes in disclosing everything voters may need to know about him, even things he did as a minor
Hillary believes in keeping secret the documents from her husband's administration that could confirm the claims of experience that are the basis of her entire campaign



I could go on and on with examples but it is a question of priorities and of style.

Take a closer look!

[flyarm]

17. Edwards for me thank you..i'll pass on your two!!..eom

[oasis]

19. Ditto. k&r

[VotesForWomen]

20. you've got a point. nt