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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:37 PM
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Shit To Hit Fan - ETA: November 2008
As the country hurtles inevitably towards the November elections, so the Republican voters hurtle towards the inevitable truth: everything you were told is a lie, everything you were promised is not forthcoming, everything you banked on is gone.

Across the nation, Bush-supporters sit slack-jawed and uncomprehending. They did everything they were told to do, everything they were told was right.

They voted for Republicans, they denounced the ungodliness of the Liberals, they donated their money at the mega-church and prayed. They contributed to the campaigns of those who vowed to overturn Roe v Wade, who swore to adhere to the principles of fiscal responsibility, who assured that decorum would be returned to DC politics, who held out victory in Iraq as a done deal.

And now they wonder why they find themselves where they are: responsible for an unprecedented national debt, a country that is more vulnerable than it was on 9-11, a quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan, a broken military, poverty, homelessness and unemployment numbers on the rise, and a drastic recession that is no longer a threat but a looming and unavoidable reality.

Even those who worshiped at the feet of the Limbaughs, the OReillys, and the Coulters wonder why they are no longer laughing along at the plight of the downtrodden, the medically uninsured, the unemployed because despite their faith in their party, they are now among those who are derided as being laughable.

How could it be? Did they not come and partake of the Holy Kool-Aid, just as FOX-News told them they must in order to be saved? Why are they now being gouged at the pump, losing their savings, watching as the equity in their homes plummets in value right alongside the non-believers who refused to bend their knees to the Great Christian Leader, the one whom God Himself appointed to lead righteous Americans along the sure path to glory and riches?

Where is the math that Rove assured them was reliable, along with the Republican majority that would exist for decades to come? Where is the prosperity that was bound to happen under a GOP-controlled White House? Where is the global respect that was a given once a true patriot like George W. Bush was at the helm? Where is the good and honest government that would be transparently visible to all citizens?

Eventually, the truth comes out and when it does, the shit hits the fan. And the truth is now out there, for all Americans Republicans included to see.

The lies, the deceit, the missing money, the deleted emails, the destroyed videotapes, the indicted politicians, the incompetence, the self-serving manipulation of the facts, the disgrace of a bumbling idiot and his cohorts, the lost jobs, the lost industries, the lead-laden toys, the poisoned food, the torture, the deaths, the casualties, the homeless vets all of the chickens are coming home to roost, while the GOP insiders walk away from their positions inexplicably wealthier than they were when they took office and not-so-inexplicably less than anxious to explain to the faithful that not only have they been had, but their anxiousness to be had was part of the plan all along.

What goes around comes around, and the demise of the Republican party as has already been confirmed by the number of registered Democrats now far exceeding the number of registered Republicans is about to come to fruition.

The shit spewed by the GOP will hit the proverbial fan this November, and it aint gonna be pretty. But it is inevitable and long overdue.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:40 PM
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1. One bright spot in a sour economy:
Invest in fans. They're gonna be the next big thing.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:41 PM
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2. Along with umbrellas ...
... and Handi-Wipes!
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:44 PM
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13. nah, most of them are too stupid to realize they are fucked
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:15 AM
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30. There Are None So Blind as Those Who WILL NOT See
and there are still far too many in that category. They are going down with the Ship of State.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:26 AM
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37. I think they're starting to wake up
Even the theocons are starting to see that the GOP establishment is just treating them as "useful idiots" since David Kuo's book on the subject.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:55 AM
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41. You're assuming the theocons read....
I assume they simply listen to the voice from the pulpit, Faux News and the other talking heads that have brainwashed them into believing the current shit-storm is simply an indication that Heaven on Earth is just around the corner. Just like victory in Iraq, economic prosperity for working people and a flood of educated children, all the product of the maladministration's policy of "No Citizen Left Unscathed".

For anyone who still believes "teh polls," the fact that *Co has maintained an official approval rating over 20% can ONLY be explained in one of two ways:

1) The pollsters are lying.
2) This is the approval rating among the faithful of what's left of the Republican't party: Die-hard Republics really ARE are the deeply stupid, incredibly gullible morans we've been laughing at.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:41 AM
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44. I should have said "some theocons"
As always, it's dangerous to generalize. Some conservative Christians are stupid and gullible, and believe everything Faux Noise tells them. Others read books, or are smart enough to come to the same conclusion as Kuo independently.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:50 PM
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50. Aren't most of them registered Democrats now? : )
BTW, I wasn't trying to be a biotch, just laughing at THEM.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:04 PM
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60. they will blame it all

on immigrants, Hollywood, and whoever the next Democratic President is.

Barack Obama is poised to play the role of a Jimmy Carter.

After that they will find a way to amend the Constitution to allow in Schwarzeneggar in 2012.

The next president is going to have to be half janitor :/

-s
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mamameow Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:37 PM
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70. read
theocons read---THE FUCKING BIBLE----. they have no brains, they copout because it is easier to follow than to think. no blame is given to followers!!!!!
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:40 PM
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56. You're right, they're still saying, "Well, Clinton lied..."
They just can't wrap their brains around the truth that's staring them in the face.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:24 PM
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62. And too many of them still vote
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 07:26 PM by AikidoSoul
and, some people can be fooled all of the time.

I live in an area where there are lots of them... right here in Blue Dog Dem country.





edited to add word
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:35 PM
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59. Didn't the Bible warn...
against false prophets and the Anti-Christ...shame...they didn't even get their 666 tattoo and still they worshipped and followed the God-appointed Decider/Demon into oblivious Hell...aaahhh politics--the masterful tool of the Devil...
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:55 PM
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74. Yea but that was a section they seem to have glossed over..
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:44 PM
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3. I am looking forward to the trainwreck.
I saw one, once, when I was a kid.

And, through the years, I have often wished that I would have seen it later in life so that I might be more fully able to appreciate the forces at work.

Well....
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:58 AM
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33. This is a like a train wreck in S-L-O-W motion.
Picture if instead of being over in a few seconds, a massive train wreck took decades to occur. If you look at it, it seems to be standing still, but come back in a month and you can see additional damage.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:28 PM
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63. The repukeniks will find some way to blame it on the Democrats
Just wait and see
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:45 PM
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4. Exquisitly stated.....as usual.
God, I love it. :)

Everybody get out your "shit suits". Let's party like it's 2009! :party: :toast: :bounce:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:48 PM
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5. They may learn that PR can't solve everything.
And that Image only trumps reality until reality really hurts...
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:49 PM
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6. Great post NancyGreggs n/t
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:54 PM
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7. Man, so very true and so well put into words for us all to read, Must be voted up. eom
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:56 PM
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8. Amen. n/t
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:58 PM
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9. Eloquent as usual.
A pleasure to read and to look forward to.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:06 PM
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10. And yet...
... a generation from now, the same stupid shit is gonna happen all over again! Once a new generation of idiots reaches voting age, the same stupid shit... over and over and over again until history is no longer.

"When will they ever learn?
When will they eeeeever learn?"
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:10 PM
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11. Deficits don't matter and it's all FDR's fault!
After all, it takes 50+ years for economic policies to really make a systemic difference. Just hang on another 30 years, and we'll be rescued by the Reagan Revolution.

/Rush-speak
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:11 PM
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12. Hey, there's always room in Paraguay for the displaced
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emanymton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:54 AM
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28. Is There Any Way To Confirm These Points??
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:29 PM
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64. oh my

this is very bad, bad news you have linked to my friend.

oh wow. everybody should read the link bonito just posted, i am very scared now.

so bush and crew plan to flee to paraguay eh? i just saw woody allen's bananas, not his best film, but that has recently been how i imagine paraguay. i want justice. i want to see that motherfucker in guantanamo. he will never make it to paraguay.

has anyone here read THE BOOMER BIBLE by the way?

-s

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:58 PM
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14. Brilliant!!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:07 PM
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15. "there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth"....
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 11:07 PM by madrchsod
i`ve been through at least three of these revelations and now i just take them in stride. i can`t get any lower than where i am now so everything looks up to me.

again-- nice post
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:11 PM
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16. Tremendous - and sadly true that those that have never walked through the fire...
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 11:13 PM by 1776Forever
And now hope they can survive.

Can we all survive????

And what about our children and their future - sad Bush's legacy will be studied for years after his death and they all will say these were the years when the U.S. started to die and ask why our government, all of it including our Dem Congress, let us down.

I hope the story will be brighter then it looks now. :grouphug:
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:29 AM
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43. it started LONG before bush.
and, sadly, we will all pay the price.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:13 PM
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17. g** damn fine post, Nance.
K&R

Always enjoy reading your stuff
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:13 PM
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18. My dear Nance!
What can I say?

Your brilliance is overwhelming as usual...

Thank you!

K&R of course...

:patriot:
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:45 PM
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19. Let's hope it hits 'em all in their bloated ugly faces
especially a double dose for the sneering Purple Finger assholes from the convention. Like Funkedelic says in Maggot Brain: "Drown in my Own Shit."
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:46 PM
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20. Wow
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 11:47 PM by Phred42
Excellent

Nance are you available....you know....

I think I'm in luv
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:52 AM
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21. Nance, Luv ya.
But do not count those chickens just yet. We have to be able to actually count all those registered Dems first.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:59 AM
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22. Honey, this time around ...
... even Diebold execs are betting on the Dems.

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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:03 AM
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23. Damn I so hope so
Thanks again for the rant.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:36 AM
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27. Diebold isn't the only
republican vote tabulating company. These people have no shame and will try anything. Remember, Karl Rove is still at large and thinking of new ways to undermine democracy by any means necessary. They have a compliant and complicit media to rig the polls so as to create the perception of a race close enough to fix.
Nonetheless, your writing inspires the hope for a brighter future. Then again, after the return to the Dark Ages, known as the Bush/Cheney junta, a bic lighter will look like the finale rack on July 4th in New York harbor.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:21 AM
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24. anybody who votes republican is an asshole!
and deserves to get whats comin to em!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:24 AM
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25. Even Hannity is getting chased out of repug meetings these days...!
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:43 AM
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26. Wow. Excellent as usual.
I never regret clicking on a NanceGreggs thread.

K&R

:kick:
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:56 AM
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29. Well said. K&R
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:25 AM
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31. Another home run..
.... damn you nail it every time.

We should get this into one of those chain mails.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:27 AM
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32. Just wow. I love you, Nance!
:yourock:
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NeoGreen Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:16 AM
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34. K&R and Bookmarked
I plan on re-reading this post on Nov 8th, with pleasure.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:38 AM
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35. Spot on. I want this Groundhog's Day primary to end so we can get
to real business. Like reminding the nation what a group of warmongering cons the GOP is. I
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:03 AM
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36. Beautiful writing as always, Nance.
Thank you!

:yourock:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:30 AM
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38. Wish we could print up a couple of hundred million copies and put one in the door of every person in
America! Great writing again!
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:46 AM
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39. Brilliant as always, but...
I don't share the certainty that a republican defeat in november is a done deal. Although I'm not a Hillary-Hater I still fear that, if nominated, she'll split her own party, while uniting every wing-nut thug to vote against her. And while traditional evangelicals might balk at the Mormon Romney or the gay-friendly Giuliani, if they promise to imprison or otherwise marginalize all of the people they fear and hate, their pastors will tell them to vote for them, and they will.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:54 AM
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40. the shit has been hitting the fan
unfortunately republicans have an unusually high tolerance for shit. we are up to our ankles shit, i hope the repubs can smell it now.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:58 PM
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75. At this point it's on their upper lip they should be able to smell
it by now...
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:19 AM
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42. I didn't pay attention to who the op was till i read this
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 11:20 AM by tmfun
"Did they not come and partake of the Holy Kool-Aid," Then I knew imediatly. It could only be the dulcet prose of Nance. Good job yet again girl. I just hope we actually get an election in November. I put nothing past the criminals and what they are willing to do to retain power.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:43 AM
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45. Junior is on my tee vee....
Perfect time to walk out of the room and give this a K & R.

Terrific as usual. ~PEACE~
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Patriot Abroad Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:55 AM
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46. But how to fix the damage done, tis the real question
The Democrats will storm to victory, but what a mess they will take over - to fix the country will require pain and sacrifice - will our leaders be able for it? Who will be the FDR of this generation?
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:34 PM
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47. Hmmmmm...
>and a drastic recession that is no longer a threat but a looming and unavoidable reality.<

WTF is a looming and unavoidable reality? How can something be imminent and already a reality at the same time? I'm confused....
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:45 PM
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48. Don't underestimate the capacity of "conservative" voters ...
... to fail to smell that shit on election day.

I know a lot of good, intelligent people who spend little or no time following politics beyond what is presented on the network news at 10PM. It's amazing what these people (many of them college-educated professionals) don't know about what's been going on these last 7 years. They were raised as "good Republicans" and their "family values" and general attitude towards the two mainstream parties hasn't fundamentally changed. The framing of issues the rightwing has so successfully hammered together the last 3 decades has by no means been deconstructed. Even though many of them have come to realize through what passes for conventional wisdom that Bush has been a terrible president, that does not mean they will throw the lever for the Democrat on election day.

This is going to be a tough journey to November with roadside bombs buried unexpectedly in our path by the dirty tricksters we know are out there. Let us not exalt too soon.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:25 PM
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49. There will always be those who vote (D) or (R) ...
... with no regard to anything beyond that.

However, this election is not going to be about ideals or family values; it's going to be about realities. And the reality is that the middle-class is hurting, and they want the pain to stop - and many of them will vote on the basis of who they think can make their lives better and easier.

When you're afraid your job is about to disappear, afraid you can't make ends meet much longer, afraid your savings are dwindling down to nothing because the cost of living is going up and your paycheck isn't, you're going to vote for the candidate you believe can pull you back from the edge of disaster.

When Bush took office, the split between registered Dems and Repubs was an even split. Now registered Dems far exceed the number of GOPers. There's a reason for that.

This administration has created incredible hardship for millions of Americans - and the only answer the GOP is offering is telling those millions of people that those hardships simply don't exist.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:54 PM
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51. now the GOP are copying Obama with campaigning on 'Change'
change from what, we ask? How can voting for a Republican be change?
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:38 PM
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55. Rock - GOP - Hard Place
The voters know the country is a disaster. The Republicans know the voters want change; i.e. a moving away from the policies that created the disaster.

The GOP can't acknowledge the obvious = that it was their president and their party who implemented the policies that created the disaster.

Ergo, they cannot really offer anything substantive in the way of real change, because that means admitting that they are responsible for what now needs changing.

The only thing they are really able to talk about changing is the shade of lipstick on the same old pig.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:19 PM
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61. but their voters are falling for it!
Romney and change - LOL!
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 03:26 PM
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52. kick
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:03 PM
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53. My 78 year-old mother called Bush "Poopy-Pants" the other day
She voted for him twice -- a staunch Republican who also prayed for Rumsfield when he "resigned."

She's seen the light ... finally!
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:36 PM
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54. I'm afraid you may underestimate the ability of the human psyche to self delude.
They will blame, the liberal media(?), the congress for interfering with the presidents plans (bigger?), the damn immigrants(which they all are, the bunch of idiots),or even the LORD HIMSELF and HIS anger at our naughty behavior like being in the bathroom with men(oh that was them), or kill our fellow man(oh that was their idea too), well let's just say they're good at making excuses.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:56 PM
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58. They're GREAT at making excuses ...
... but the average voter can only delude himself so far. If you're out of work, you can't delude yourself into thinking you're still employed.

Politicians in power can lie about all kinds of things, and get away with it. But the one thing they can't lie to people about is the reality of their own lives. The GOP just keeps blabbing about the soundness of the economy, the great job opportunities that are out there, blah, blah, blah.

You can convince the average Republican that things are going great in Iraq; it's on the other side of the world, and they'll take your word for it. But you can't convince the guy who's now struggling to make ends meet that he's doing just as well financially as he ever was. You can't convince the guy whose last two jobs were outsourced that outsourcing isn't having an impact on anyone.

And most of all, you can't convince the now almost 80% of people who believe the country is on the wrong track that it's been on the right track all along, and they're just too stupid to see it.

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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:52 PM
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57. Please let's not forget 1930's Germany
The Nazis were also a minority party and we see where that went.
Though Hitler had a high approval rating and now percentages are reversed, we have the "Patriot" Act, the "Thought Crimes Act", the "John Warner Act" and a long list of signing statements. The REAL battle could be yet to begin since we are effectively in check.

Here's hoping for Election'08 :toast:
AND hoping things change no matter who's in the Blight House.

BTW Nancy, I always enjoy your work!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:31 PM
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65. You said it, and said it WELL!
Thank you, Nance!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:39 PM
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66. there are a shit lot who still believe their side is rite.
my brother is for thompson/mittens.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:10 PM
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67. I hope you're right NanceGreggs,
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 08:16 PM by AikidoSoul
but reading the posts here I see there is a good deal of worry that the masses
can and will continue to be fooled... not so much because they are blind to their
own plight, but because BushCo is so skilled at blaming others for anything that
goes wrong.

Most of the dark mood here is partly be due to the daily disappointments, continual
bashings of the Constitution, unbridled hubris, massive greed, heinous crimes, etc., that
continue without being punished. We are like battered children having difficulty raising
our eyes toward heaven to even hope it can get better.

The notion of the sh*t hitting the fan is a vivid image, but I see it as such a very temporary
event. Will it have good results? What about their continued grip on power? BushCo
is trying to set things up so the next administration will have to bow to their policies.

Even if out of power they may rule. There is a deadly sense of foreboding that BushCo has
an iron networked grip on this country and its future and that nobody will dare try to hard
to move it in another direction due to pure terror of the kind of reprisal that may be meted
out. These people are dangerous criminals capable of anything. They have proved that.

The neocon fascists have been gaining strength for over a half century.... many of them work
behind the scenes. They are perhaps the most dangerous of all.

They are even working hard to re-write history. BushCo is spending a great deal of energy
and money to make sure that their legacy is a designer affair controlled by their own
historians. If you thought that the Reagan adoration lore is a nauseating pack of lies -- wait
'til you see the first movie of Bush depicted as the new Winston Churchill.

And people are lured and brainwashed by that crap.

I wouldn't even put book burnings past these people. These are the same people who trashed
all the libraries at the EPA to destroy and control scientific data to protect the chem/pharm
industry. What are they capable of to protect their legacy from hard scrutiny and criticism
by future generations?

Am I just waaay too cynical? I think not.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:12 PM
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68. long overdue - and here I am with front row tickets!
Yee-haw.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:33 PM
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69. A good example of the people you and many on this thread are speaking about
is the obvious republican in the video demanding O'Reilly apologize for being so ignorant about the homeless vets who said he agreed with O'Reilly on many of his thoughts but of course on the one that effects him as a homeless vet he takes issue with. Hypocrisy on steroids and he clearly does not get it.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:49 PM
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71. Push comes to shove? don't discount Diebold and disenfranchisment activities...
come November.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:55 PM
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72. Push comes to shove and we might have to get our pitch forks out of hiding.
ngtfu
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:16 PM
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73. I don't discount them at all.
But I do discount their ability to make a difference in the final outcome.

Why? Because too many traditional Republican voters are just as fed up with what this administration has done to the country as Democrats are.

We here on DU often discuss how the Republicans only care about whether they've got theirs, and screw everyone else. Well, guess what? The Republican middle-classers are losing their jobs, their health insurance, their savings, their shot at the American Dream at the same rate Democrats are.

And they're not any happier about it than we are.

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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:00 PM
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76. That my dear is the...
bottom line. Reasonable, moderate, Republicans are just as fed up as we are and are losing just as much as we are. Their stock portfolios are falling faster then their home value. Their jobs are going overseas and as their man McCain stated, "never coming back."

I spent the month of October crisscrossing this country from sea to shining sea, and I'm here to tell you that there are some pretty pissed off people.

BTW, the so called Bible Belt is a popular urban myth. The heartland of this country is just as fucked as the coasts.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:33 PM
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77. The GOP should have handed out cards ...
... to those who supported Bush and his party.

The "I VOTED FOR THE IDIOT" card - which was good for a discount at the pump, ensured that your job wouldn't be outsourced along with your co-workers' jobs, got body-armor ASAP to your family member in Iraq while everyone else had to wait in line for theirs, kept the value of your home at its peak while your neighbors' houses went on the market at rock-bottom prices after foreclosure, etc.

For years we've heard about a rising tide raising all boats - no one ever warned the BushBots about the same rising tide flooding all basements - the fact of their being on the Dem side or the GOP side of the street being of no consequence whatsoever.





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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:12 PM
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87. Very eloquently stated, as usual. eom
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:47 PM
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78. Don't count the Republicans out just yet ...
They are all about change.

See, the current administration is "those" Republicans, not the new, improved Republicans that you see before you with the ResurrectedRonnieReagan values and world view. They'll separate themselves from the corruption of the Bush administration. They'll have clean hands and they'll smell like roses.

But, what are the Republicans going to do about those pesky Democrats? Well, if Barack is the candidate, you can bet that the issues will be race, experience (or lack thereof), race, religion, race, middle names, race, gun control, race, and race). Your daughters could be white house interns fer chrissakes.

If Hillary is the candidate, the issues will be gender, inexperience, gender, bitchiness, gender, fidelity, sexual orientation, and gender.

If Edwards is the candidate, the issues will be sleazy money-grubbing lawyers, expensive haircuts, big houses.

If Kucinich is the candidate, the issues will be UFO's, socialized medicine, UFO's, abandonment of allies, and UFO's.

They'll attack with whatever they can find or make up.

Swiftboating works.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:58 PM
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79. "They'll separate themselves from the corruption ...
... of the Bush administration."

The point is that none of them have done that so far - and isn't it a bit late in the game to start doing that now?

The most any GOP candidate has done in that direction is not mention G.W. Bush while campaigning - not exactly the same thing as overtly distancing themselves from his administration and its policies. In fact, passing over any mention of the current Republican in office while extolling the virtues of his predecessors SPEAKS VOLUMES ...

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:24 PM
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81. I agree that talking "Reagan" speaks volumes
and ignoring Bush speaks volumes.

But that sort of thing might resonate, might bring out the Republican voters.

All I'm saying is that we can't assume an easy victory, even with the monumental screw-ups of the current administration.

They'll invoke Reagan. Heck, they'll invoke T.R. and call him a Republican if they think it'll help. They'll fire up the "dirty tricks" squads to go after victory at all costs.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:43 PM
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82. Yes, they will use every dirty trick in the book.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 11:44 PM by NanceGreggs
They will invoke the heady, carefree days of Reagan. They will remind their base that they are God-fearing, family-values, moral Christians. They will denounce their opponents as godless heathens who will, if given power, install drive-through abortion clinics on every street corner in the nation.

What they won't do (because they can't) is assure financially-strapped and insecure voters that the policies that have caused the mess the nation is in were wrong to begin with (can't admit to that phenomenal a mistake), and will be changed (again, can't say you'll 'change' the very thing you've supported as being 'the right way' all along.)

The American voters, Dems & Repubs alike, have made one thing abundantly clear since this election cycle started: They are unhappy and they ALL WANT CHANGE.

And change is the one thing the Republicans can't (and won't) offer.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:09 PM
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80. gee, maybe in light of that the Democrats could
nominate a fighter who will reverse the takeover by the oligarchs...


naaaaah...


better to just assume the Republican's place at the trough
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:51 PM
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83. I think you underestimate the willful ignorance of Republican supporters
For all their bluster the majority of these folks are cowards who can't admit to themselves that they've got it wrong.

Their psyches simply aren't equipped to respond to those sorts of revelations. Far safer to rationalize and hate "the other side" -or if they have the money, ignore the whole foul mess altogether.

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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:27 PM
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86. There are far fewer Republican supporters now, though.
With the percentage of self-identified Republicans low and dropping (who would admit it?) and with independents largely siding with the Democrats, the fact that the majority of this shrinking minority remains mindlessly committed may be less important than it seems.

Most thinking people have realized by now that Republicans simply cannot govern, or even control themselves properly. ("They can't even run their own lives / I'll be damned if they'll run mine.") I think this awareness will be reflected in the November results.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:52 PM
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84. this is great!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:39 PM
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85. O, the joy! I am going to make a fresh pot of coffee, pour myself a cup and sit down
to read this another couple dozen times.

Thank you, Nance!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:14 PM
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88. What goes around comes around, indeed!
What I savor, and hope to continue to savor, is how they were already pronouncing the death of the Democratic Party and the "'Great' Realignment" - all republi-CONS all the time (hmmm... sounds like a radio format - don't get me started...). And the "Uniter" will have served to unite not just the rest of the world BUT hopefully a solid (and uncheatable) majority for us Good Guys.

I yearn to see them swallow a very bitter pill in November.

I keep thinking back to whichever DUer, back in 2004, spoke of the Dark Siders needing to have "the snot beaten out of them" to get the message that theirs is NOT the so-called "Way Forward." It's certainly not ANY "Way Forward" that benefits a single soul except for the elite one-percent of the one-percent. Only the "have-mores" get anywhere with these pirates and their greedy numbskull followers.

I hope we utterly run over them in November. I hope we do indeed beat the snot out of them. Every last one of them. And every last molecule of snot, too, for that matter! I wish I'd kept track of who here said that originally so I could give him/her proper credit each time I quote that line. It's one of my favorites.

Good one, Nance!
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