Seperate thread for ABC's exclusion of Kucinich in New Hampshire

[wintersoulja]

I know this has been discussed, but in light of recent development and discussions featuring some sharp legal minds, I think it would be good to review how ABC justified excluding Kucinich from a national broadcast over the "people's airwaves" presumably in some deep violations of law as referenced by the judge who ruled in favor of Dennis being included in Las Vegas.
This thread is definitely not just for supporters.
But, how about a little civility?
Name calling of candidates or posters surely isnt necessary.
The term fascist has been applied rather loosely lately, eh wot?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Slight correction, please

It was NBC that excluded Kucinich from the latest debate.

[wintersoulja]

2. you might want to reread

no worries

[tritsofme]

3. The NV judge had no jurisdiction, and the FCC told him to pound sand.

All of the haughty crying over the abuse of the "people's airwaves" is basically crap.

ABC wasn't mandated by the government to include every Democrat in every debate. They can set their own standards, and a line must be drawn somewhere.

22 candidates appeared on the NH Dem ballot, and any distinction is arbitrary by definition.

Kucinich is in the midst of 6 year long vanity campaign, and ABC apparently didn't want to waste their viewer's time.

[Tarc]

4. Well put

Time to put this tired story to rest. Kucinich just does not catch fire with the majority of the national electorate. Not in 2004 and not in 2008.

[wintersoulja]

6. good luck with that

best fire up the ovens and gas up the showers, cuz you arent gonna silence the peace community very easily.

[Tarc]

9. Do you actually have the disgusting lack of decency

to compare a pissant single-digit polling politician to THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST?

[wintersoulja]

10. no of course not

you read that wrong.

[Tarc]

12. And now you're lying

Typical.

[wintersoulja]

5. I think youre wrong

go figure. Kucinich had high "poll" ratings on ABC's own poll, which if I recall they tried to redo and definitely swept under the rug. Also on a Facebook poll which I believe was a cosponsor of the "debate". Then of course we can see the disparity between the Republican debate and if we step back into Iowa and the DMR inclusion of ALAN KEYES on the Republican side, IN CLEAR HYPOCRISY OF THEIR OWN STATED EXCUSES, well, its ALMOST AS IF A PATTERN WAS FORMING long before any real results were counted?...
I guess the really sad thing is so few are standing up for the rights of Gravel and the many nameless souls who placed themselves on the ballot. Speaks volumes, really. But at least the free speech rights of media corporations will be well respected by their friends and victims, I mean customers.
circular stupidity? chicken or the egg? Demockracy?

[tritsofme]

7. Online polls are all worthless.

Period. They mean nothing.

[wintersoulja]

8. so are online posts

really. ever get in the streets and work for change?
Im just curious.

[Tarc]

11. So first there's bigoted Holocaust references

and now petty strawman arguments? Online polls are not statistically or scientifically valid. Period, end of discussion.

[wintersoulja]

16. bigoted?

wow. yeah theres some hardcore bigotry at work, but not mine.
Rather than play games, Im gonna do to you, what you would do to
Dennis.

[tritsofme]

13. Your above post comparing the "plight" of Kucinich to the Holocaust

Is enough for me to not recognize you as a serious person.

[wintersoulja]

15. conflate much?

at least Im not foolish enough to take you seriously.
Your agenda, on the other hand...

[Tarc]

18. thank you

I am glad that I was not the only one to catch that.

[wintersoulja]

14. I'll go you one better

All polling is worthless unless it is a secure polling place.
I can assume you value the polling that is used to justify Mr 1%'s exclusion, correct?
Yet, without name recognition, let alone policy comprehension, he would be somewhat limited in making gains there among an UNINFORMED public sample.
More importantly, polls to me are the criminal substitute for information that a now fully corrupt media uses to implement an agenda of absolute oppression, ie keeping them too dumb to see the hammer dropping at the end of the abbatoir.

So, in order to make my point, I want to ask you this-
How would you like public policy on global warming to be determined by a poll taken of Huckabee, Romney or Bush supporters? Thats very nearly a good match for people being asked to choose their candidates when the predominant anti-war, pro-peace, anti-insurance profit ruined health care candidate has been blacked out from the public consciousness? You can deny theyve done that, but it wouldnt be a credit towards your honesty.

Show some outrage, but spare us the phony stuff.

[wintersoulja]

17. please set me straight on this, Im so confused

Even if I cant see your post, its important that you are free to speak the truth in
response to my bigoted 1% reasoning.
Wheres that FCC lawyer? I WANT MY HASH SETTLED!

[Tarc]

19. Sit down, Sister Souljah

You've said enough.

[wintersoulja]

23. When Lord when?

Im still waiting for the experienced FCC jurist to do some pro bono on this subject.
Come explain how the peoples airwaves werent violated while the free speech of corporations
and equal time obligations were served?
come on, Im sure its a simple task...

[wintersoulja]

24. kick for mercy, please hep me somebody!

Can I get an explanation from the legal beagles?
Why did ABC get away with the same trick on "the people's airwaves"?

[Tulkas]

20. Standards were set ahead of time (as I understand)

Unless I am mistaken, which I may be.

Candidates needed at least 10% support in a major poll in any one state or 5% support in a major poll in a national contest to be included in the N.H. debate.

Dennis didn't have the numbers, it wasn't anything personal.


I think they need to draw a line somewhere, that may not be the correct place to draw the line but it still needs to be done.

People don't want to listen to candidates who don't have a shot at the nomination. Alan Keyes comes to mind.

Richardson won 5% in N.H. and he still dropped out of the race. If that was a reasonable decision then why should someone who gets ..... what... 2%? be given equal time to the 3 candidates who are getting ten or fifteen times that amount of support.


Don't feel bad, Dennis runs every cycle. he will be back.

[wintersoulja]

21. your subject header says it

what it means is what is wrong.

[Tarc]

22. Unfortunately, these peple here do take it personally

As if Kucinich is some martyred savior who has been grievously wronged.

That he will run again in the future is pretty much an indication that this has lays been about being a vanity campaign, rather than a serious contention for the White House.