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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:58 AM
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Obama camp's "Clinton racist" memo only for the true believers and the gullible
Read the full memo:

Subject: MUST READ: Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons

SHUCK AND JIVE

Clinton Supporter Andrew Cuomo, Referring To Obama, Said "You Can't Shuck
And Jive At A Press Conference. All Those Moves You Can Make With The Press
Don't Work When You're In Someone's Living Room." Clinton-supporting New
York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said the thing that's great about New
Hampshire is that you have to go out and meet people rather than "shuck and
jive" through press conferences there. Cuomo said of New Hampshire on an
Albany radio station: "It's not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can't buy
your way into it. You can't shuck and jive at a press conference. All those
moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living
room." (Newsday, 1/11/08)


Perhaps the only charge on this list with any "racial" overtones whatsoever, but even that is dubious. It has already been shown that the term is used, and has been used, in a variety of settings. In fact, one thread on DU accused Donald Rumsfeld of "shucking and jiving," and drew not one accusation of being racist. The term is used in songs, the term is used as resturaunt names.

Looking at Google's news archive, we find the term was once used to describe Steve Forbes. The term was used to describe George Bush's attempt at capping medical malpractice suits. The term was used to describe Saddam Hussien's attempts to hinder weapons inspectors. Rolling Stone Magazine used the term in 1981 in it's review of 'The Allman Brothers Band: Brothers of the Road' album. The term was used in a review of Jackie Chan's and Chris Tucker's 'Rush Hour.'

Albany-Times reporter Rick Karlin, who first reported Cuomos comments, told Tim Grieve that Cuomos shuck and jive remark was so far removed, temporally and contextually, from any discussion of Obama, that he didnt hear it as a reference to Obama at all.

Yet, the term does have it's origins in racism, though many today have no idea of that.

MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON

Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising "False Hope" Said That While MLK
Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One
Who Got Legislation Passed: "It Took A President To Get It Done." Clinton
rejoined the running argument over hope and "false hope" in an interview in
Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox's Major Garrett that while Martin Luther
King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the
one who got the legislation passed. Hillary was asked about Obama's
rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes
as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like John F.
Kennedy and King. "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President
Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to
get it done." (Politico, 1/7/08; Video)

Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton
introducer: "If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the
other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of
hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his
work and got the republicans to pass all those measures." (HRC, Dover, NH,
1/7/08) AUDIO ATTACHED


Are facts now racist? Or is someone just uncomfortable with those facts?

Fact: MLK was not a mayor, was not a governor, was not a congressman or senator. He was not a President. As great as MLK was, there is no way his dream could have been realized without LBJ, the President of the United States. And MLK knew that, which is why he campaigned for Johnson. I'm sorry if that fact is uncomfortable to some. But it isn't racist.

And the Obama camp isn't stupid. They know the meaning of Clinton's analogy. All the uplifting rhetoric and passionate speeches in the world will not alone move legislation through congress and across a President's desk.

NELSON MANDELA

Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. "I
have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the
last hundred years. ... I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year
and we're still very close. ... But if you said to me, 'You've got one last
job for your country but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life
and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one
other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never
blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions ... I would
pick Hillary.'" (ABC News, 1/7/08 Audio)


How is it racist to believe one world figure is greater than another? Further, how is it racist for a person - any person - to pick their spouse over Nelson Mandela in a hypothetical life and death situation?

DRUG USE

Clinton's NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said
It Would "Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter." Clinton's
Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen's Comments
And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He "Deeply Regrets The
Comments." The Democratic presidential race took on a decidedly nasty and
personal turn, with the New Hampshire co-chair for Clinton, raising the
youthful drug use of Obama. Shaheen said Obama's having been so open -- as
opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use
during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further
queries on the matter. It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give
drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" Shaheen said. "There are so
many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome." By the
end of the day, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a
statement asserting that "these comments were not authorized or condoned by
the campaign in any way." And Shaheen himself issued a statement: "I deeply
regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the
campaign in any way." (ABC News, 12/12/07)


Tell me, is this racist only because Obama is black? No one cried "racism" when Bill Clinton's drug use was raised as an issue. No one cried "racism" when George W. Bush's drug use was raised as an issue.

Mark Penn, In Trying To Defend His Campaign Over Bill Shaheen's Obama Drug
Use Comments, Used The Word "Cocaine," Drawing A Rebuke From Edwards Adviser
Joe Trippi. Mark Penn, defending the Clinton campaign in light of Bill
Shaheen's comments about Obama's drug use, repeatedly referenced Obama's
cocaine use. Edwards adviser Joe Trippi accused Penn of dropping the word
"cocaine" deliberately. Mark Penn said "Well, I think we have made clear
that the -- the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the
campaign was in any way raising. And I think that has been made clear. I
think this kindergarten thing was a joke after Senator." Joe Trippie
responded and said "I think he just did it again. He just did it again. ...
This guy's been filibustering on this. He just said cocaine again."
(Politico, 12/13/07; Video)


So using the word "cocaine," even repeatedly in a discussion about Obama's admitted cocaine use is racist? It might be dirty politics as usual, but it's hardly racist.

FAIRY TALE

Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A "Fairy Tale"
And Said "It's An Insult... As An African-American" And That His Tone And
Words Are "Very Depressing." Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a "fairy tale" and said "I
could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't
take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure
out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you,
as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
... I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
States senator." (Politico, 1/8/08)


Sorry, Donna, Bill Clinton didn't call Obama or his campaign a 'fiary tale.' He said Obama's Iraq war narrative in regards to his campaign is a fairy tale. And it is. Someone cannot run a campaign based on an anti-war speech given from a safe Democratic state seat, then go on to remove that speech from his website, become a US Senator, vote for every Iraq war-empowering legislation that comes up (up to the time he announced his presidential bid), state he doesn't know how he would have voted had he been a US Senator, say his beliefs on the war are close to those of Bush's, and then claim he has been against the war from the start. That is the very definition of 'fairy tale.' And it isn't racist.

Besides, Obama himself used the term to describe the New Orleans Saints unlikely 2006 season
when they mostly African-American football team came to Chicago for the National Football Conference title game.

Amaya Smith
South Carolina Press Secretary
Obama for America
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:01 PM
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1. Looks like a pretty damning catalog of events. n/t
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:01 PM
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2. I'm alerting on this post.
Way too much truth for DU.













:kick:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:41 PM
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29. Me too... right after I K&R!!!
I've never been in Hillary's camp, and I've suffered the wrath of Obama supporters here when merely questioning some of Obama's statements. Goose meet Gander... it's all good.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:01 PM
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3. Many prefer to remain gullable
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:07 PM
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4. I used to have a lot more respect for Donna Brazile, but last few years it has been
going downhill (NOT just this issue).

.............................

FAIRY TALE

Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A "Fairy Tale"
And Said "It's An Insult... As An African-American" And That His Tone And
Words Are "Very Depressing." Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a "fairy tale" and said "I
could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't
take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure
out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you,
as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
... I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
States senator." (Politico, 1/8/08)


Sorry, Donna, Bill Clinton didn't call Obama or his campaign a 'fiary tale.' He said Obama's Iraq war narrative in regards to his campaign is a fairy tale. And it is. Someone cannot run a campaign based on an anti-war speech given from a safe Democratic state seat, then go on to remove that speech from his website, become a US Senator, vote for every Iraq war-empowering legislation that comes up (up to the time he announced his presidential bid), state he doesn't know how he would have voted had he been a US Senator, say his beliefs on the war are close to those of Bush's, and then claim he has been against the war from the start. That is the very definition of 'fairy tale.' And it isn't racist.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:10 PM
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5. K&R!
Just to see the exploding heads that are bound to follow.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:18 PM
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6. Finally, a Reality Break! Thanks! I love seeing bullshit called out! K&R!!!
:kick:
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:19 PM
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7. Thanks for this post. The MSM and Prominent African Amer. have helped me make up my mind. I'm
voting for Mrs. Clinton in the primaries and in the general election. I had reservations until I've seen how the MSM and Obama's campaign have distorted her statements and views. I will not support a campaign that deliberately lies and promotes deceit to achieve their goals since that is the administration that we want to put behind us. I'm not saying that Obama is lying but those who are working for him are and isn't that the Bush administration's tactic? Thank you for helping make such an important decision. Again, thank you. I will not and cannot, morally, support Obama.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:21 PM
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8. So, um...what exactly is the problem with this memo? Campaigns constantly
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:21 PM by Occam Bandage
keep internal memos on opponent's potential misstatements. It ain't a talking-points memo, since it doesn't contain any way to spin anything. And it was leaked by an outsider, not a member of the Obama campaign.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:00 PM
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10. it contains
distortions of the stements --not the full actual statements.

That's why it's a problem. It's a talking points list of distortions.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:05 PM
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13. It's a "talking-points list" without any talking points?
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:07 PM by Occam Bandage
It's a purely internal catalog of controversial statements recently made by an opponent, and media reactions and perceptions of those statements. It contains no talking points, no spin, no suggested comments, no buzzwords, no quotes, nothing. This isn't a talking-points memo. Moreover, it wasn't released or leaked by the Obama campaign.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:25 PM
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19. The list IS the talking posts
and it's purpose is to be distributed via e-mail and forums.

and you don't know how it was leaked.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:30 PM
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23. Those aren't talking points. You seem vague on the term.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:31 PM by Occam Bandage
And as for how it was leaked? HuffPo made it clear in its article about the memo:

The memo, which was obtained by the Huffington Post and has been made public elsewhere, is believed to have been given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports.

(Excerpts from different media reports are not "talking points." They're recaps to get members of the campaign up to speed on the events of the last week.)
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:33 PM
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25. When the list contains distortions of the statements
and is arranged in a nice tidy list , and then leaked?

really --don't try and sell me that bullshit.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:34 PM
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26. All internal memos are arranged as lists.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:35 PM by Occam Bandage
As a volunteer staffer in several Congressional campaigns, I can say it was common to have memos that were little but media reports on what a jerk our opponent was. We didn't leak those. In fact, since they were already media reports, we didn't have to leak them, since they were already in the media.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:01 PM
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11. I'm not sure if this is the one
but a memo like this was circulated among bloggers. Its origin was Obama's South Carolina campaign. From the bloggers, it spread everywhere.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:47 PM
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9. K&R
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:03 PM
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12. Lots of threads here repeating the talking points from the memo - way before
it was published by Huffington Post.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:14 PM
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14. You know what's interesting about that memo:
the dates!

Earliest date: DRUG USE (ABC News, 12/12/07)

Latest date: SHUCK AND JIVE (Newsday, 1/11/08)

That memo was oviously written after Jan. 11, days after Hillary's MLK comment and a full month after the drug use comment by the Clinton campaign.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:19 PM
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15. And this is relevant how? makes this justifiable why?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:23 PM
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17. Justifiable?
What's with the guffawing on DU over this memo. The memo is not false, and the pattern is very disturbing.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:21 PM
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16. I must be gullible
I'm no true believer yet I find compelling the Obama campaign memo listing the Clinton campaign's race baiting tactics.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:24 PM
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18. What's funny is that Bill said they also have a list
of everything the Obama camp has said about them. I don't see the difference.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:28 PM
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20. Cataloging the facts is somehow damning?
Where does this memo tell Obama supporters to talk about these incidents?

Where does this memo tell Obama supporters how to talk about these incidents?

Wouldn't you agree that those are pretty important components of a "talking points memo"?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:30 PM
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22. And where does the memo call them racists?
Every campaign compiles these lists. If they don't then they are the gullable ones.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:48 PM
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31. Bingo. They don't.
This memo is about as innocuous as they come.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:28 PM
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21. Yet another excellent post brought to us by wyldwolf...
Thanks for keeping us informed and for spreading the truth.

:kick: and recommend
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:31 PM
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24. I don't get the "fairy tale" racism accusation
I can understand Obama being upset that Clinton called him out on his view of the Iraq War in such a vivid way. But I don't see any racial overtones in what Clinton said.

Can someone offer an explanation of how this could be construed as racist?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:36 PM
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27. It's the Obama camp that is working to turn this into a Race issue..
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 02:37 PM by Tellurian
How else can it happen? The Clintons aren't racists. The Obama Camp NEEDS a way to play the race card...so there you have it!

Isn't Bill's office still in Harlem? Thought so-
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:38 PM
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28. When I look at those various statements, I don't see race baiting at all.
I really, honestly don't. You can't even talk about MLK and Nelson Mandela without being racist?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:45 PM
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30. Thank you...
I've been trying to say some of these things (and not nearly so well) in bits and pieces for days now. I'm not a Hillary supporter by any means, but trying to paint the Clintons as racist is just ridiculous. Comments are taken out of context, conflated and put out as truth. It's the price we pay for living in a sound-bite society, I guess, but I really wish people would think and do a little research before they put their mouths and typing fingers in gear.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:50 PM
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32. I vote gullible.
There's nothing in this memo thats calls anyone racist. Nothing that says to call anyone racist.

Just...nothing.
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