The ticket may in the end be Clinton/Obama.

[smalll]

Not through any real fault of Hillary or Obama themselves, the campaign is becoming racialized. For one thing, Obama now is in the process of shoring up his support amongst blacks (the Pentacostal visit, Michelle's "ain't no black folks in Iowa" comment) just as Hillary felt the need to shore up her support amongst women in New Hampshire (semi-crying, "I've found my voice.") And why not? Hillary's support amongst women was weaker than it should have been, as Obama's support amongst blacks (up until recently) was also relatively weak.

A racialized atmosphere is unfortunate, but was perhaps inevitable. But when Hillary takes the nomination, which she will, she will need the new, Jacksonized Obama with her. Obama's "beyond race" appeal is fading. His base will soon be the black vote, rather than the upper-income "Latte Liberal" vote. When it comes to the general election, the Latte Liberals will vote Democratic anyway: that segment of the Democratic Party is used to not getting it's way - it's candidates always end up as also-rans (Hart, Tsongas, Jerry Brown, Bill Bradley, even Howard Dean) but those upper-income Democrats are reliable voters, and will come home to the fold by November. The black vote is another story: they won't vote for the Republican, but they MIGHT stay home in droves. The election in November is likely to be another close-run thing. Democrats will need an energized black electorate to win.

It's a little ugly now, it will get uglier, but in the next month or so, our nominee will be chosen. Hillary will be the chosen one. By the time the convention rolls around in the distant summer of this year, the friction between Hillary and Obama will have faded. At that point, Hillary will be more than willing to take Obama as her VP, and he will be more than willing to accept that offer.

[Occam Bandage]

1. I'm getting a bit tired of crude attempts at self-fulfilling prophecies.

[Bicoastal]

2. Seconded. Whatever must be, must be...

[Barack_America]

3. Ohh, I have to disagree with everything you've said.

Sorry. I don't think that's *quite* reality.

[babylonsister]

4. Yawn. Says you. nt

[cali]

5. put down your silly little 8 ball.

[jackson_dem]

11. cali why so rude to someone offering an opinion?

[cali]

20. that was hardly rude

the person didn't offer an opinion. they stated as fact that Clinton is the one. I merely pointed out that the OP can't make that statement with any accuracy.

[Mojorabbit]

6. I just cannot see

them on a ticket together. It would be interesting if it did happen.

[mrdemocrat78]

7. While it would be the BEST ticket...

It won't happen. Just like you won't see Edwards with either of them.

Sad to say, but it's all about ego there, not what's best for the country. And I think most of us can agree on that.

[Herman Munster]

8. I disagree

If Hillary thinks Obama is the only way she can win, she'll offer him the job in a heartbeat. Egos do nothing for you if you lose. And the OP makes very valid points. It would bring any disgruntled blacks home.

[smalll]

9. I think you're close. With Hillary though, it's not about ego, it's about winning.

Obama is already beginning to connect (finally) with black voters. If Hillary wins, I think she'll realize that she will need Obama to get them to the polls in November. As this year's Bill Bradley/Jerry Brown, Obama is expendable. But as this year's "black candidate" he may be indispensable. If he is, Hillary will take him along: for Hillary, winning trumps ego.

[sandnsea]

10. Cuz running for Vice President is so bad for the ego

:crazy:

I don't think any of them are going to team up with the others, but it's because of demographics and policy differences, not ego.

[MS Liberal]

12. Even Miss Cleo can see a Clinton/Obama ticket coming.

Obama and Clinton and their supporters need to get on board. This election is not about them, it is about us and what is best for the nation. The two of them could change this country together. The changes needed can not be accomplished in a 100 days, it may take 16 years.

John Edwards need to stop taking every opportunity to kiss Obama's ass and get with the program because we need him as Attorney General. If he is serious about ensuring big business and the oil companies stop fucking us over, he needs to be Attorney General. He needs to stop burning bridges and start helping to elect more Democratic senators so that he will have a smooth confirmation hearing. Stay in the presidential race as long as you want but stop being stupid. The only way you get the nomination is if Clinton and Obama and half of the nation are abducted by space aliens. Take the job of Attorney General and use it as the stepping stone to the White House.

[ShortnFiery]

13. HRC will not set aside her massive ego to ask Obama ...

And if we're naive enough to nominate HRC, then settle into a republican President for the next 8 years.

One reason HRC will lose despite the full court press to promote her:
Hillary's got no Elvis! :evilgrin:

Leadership is based on a spiritual quality; the power to inspire, the power to inspire others to follow. Vince Lombardi - Leadership - Power - Inspirational - Spiritual

[TransitJohn]

14. No one's votes should

ever be taken for granted. That's what's wrong with politics.

[CoffeeCat]

15. You're too caught up in the...

...current situation.

The Clinton camp has really stepped in it---when it comes to their poorly worded statements
on race and MLK.

I mean, I sit and watch the Clintons bungle this, and I'm completely astounded.

Obama has capitalized on their errors. He's facing the SC primary, and it's as if the Clintons
keep handing him a few more percentage points---with their own blunders.

Race issues are one of the topics at the forefront of the campaign--for now. However, we will see
the campaign quickly switch gears, after SC is over.

I mean, how stupid can the Clintons be? They tried to make a political point by diminishing the
role of MLK in bringing about civil rights? I don't think any fair-minded person would agree
that this was smart on their part.

You are right that Obama is shoring up his support among blacks---but that's because of where
we are in the campaign. Each state has a unique messaging strategy--based on the issues facing the state;
and the backgrounds, occupations and demographics of the population.

I think you're completely off the mark.

Also, Obama did extremely well in Iowa--a state that is 97 percent white. Iowa Democrats came
out and increased turnout 100 percent. That's mind blowing. In every precinct, participation
doubled from 04, which was a record year. Enthusiasm for Obama, in part, fueled this remarkable
turnout. Obama also did very well in NH...coming in a very close second.

His appeal extends far beyond the "black" vote or the "upper-income latte liberal" groups. You're
trying to pin him down--when really, his support stretches into all demographics--and across
party lines. Many disaffected Republicans like him. Independents love him, and many in the Dem
party do as well.

Interesting theory---but I think you're basing your opinions on a couple of trees that are in front
of you---and you're missing the entire forest.

[smalll]

16. Well, your guess is as good as mine.

Whatever happens, it will be fascinating to see this all play out one way or another. I am struck by the fact though that the racialization phenomenon is in fact NOT just a "DU thing" along the lines of Hillary-Stole-New-Hampshire or McClurkingate. At least at this point in time, it's very real.

[CoffeeCat]

17. Tell me more about "radicalization"...

Are you saying that people are very vociferous in their political
opinions and stances these days?

[smalll]

18. No, I wrote "racialization" in the post above yours -

For a second there, you had me worried I had mis-typed. I'm a little jumpy on that tonight; earlier, I actually posted a needless apostrophe-s :blush: (thank God I caught that and edited it out before anyone called me on it! I hate those needless apostrophes!)

[musicblind]

24. hmm?

Didn't you make a post before New Hampshire saying how Clinton was SURE to lose that because she had been doing so badly?

[2rth2pwr]

19. You are spot on about the "Latte Liberals"

But, I don't see Obama saying yes.

[regnaD kciN]

21. Not. A. Chance.

If Hillary gets the nomination, she'll pick a DLC "moderate," most likely Evan Bayh. Gotta "play to the center," don'cha know?

[bigdarryl]

22. your PIPE DREAMING Obama is going back to Illinois to run for Governor

[smalll]

23. Seeing as how there seems to be a groundswell for this idea -

(at least 2 threads on the page right now suggest this team)let's kick this up from last night.