Andrew Cuomo WAS NOT referring to Obama

[goodgd_yall]

Here is the context. And if you don't get what he was referring to, your reading comprehension skills need to be polished.

Question: "You know I’ve said this on my show before, I think the American people are very lucky to have most these candidates, the major party candidates, I think they’re all quality people, they have disagreements, but they’re all quite talented, and I think the people of Iowa and now New Hampshire really have allowed the rest of America to see much of this because I think to their great credit it requires politicians to kind of get down, not kind of, get down in the grassroots, I think I heard John McCain say he had something like 110 community meeting before the primaries - fabulous - you know, I wish we could see that here in New York."

Andrew Cuomo: "You know I’ve spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it’s a good thing.
"It’s not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can’t just buy your way through that race ...It doesn’t work that way, it’s frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.
"You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference, you can’t just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.
"And I think it’s good for the candidates, I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you’re communicating, and I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good, so you can, you can say they’re small states and they get a lot of attention -- they are very good for the process, I believe that."

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/01/ag_cuomo_on_nh_no_shuck_and_ji.html#more

For those who need it spelled out: H-e w-a-s t-a-l-k-i-n-g a-b-o-u-t I-o-w-a a-n-d N-e-w H-a-m-p-s-h-i-r-e a-n-d t-h-e d-i-f-f-e-r-e-n-t t-y-p-e o-f c-a-m-p-a-i-g-n-i-n-g t-h-e-y r-e-q-u-i-r-e.

Now everyone just stop this nonsense.

[Cha]

1. Good cause I like

Andrew Cuomo even though I don't like his candidate.

[AX10]

2. K/R!

IT'S ABOUT TIME!

Cuomo will not get an apology though.

What is important is that we all know that Cuomo is a good person.

[marylanddem]

3. Sorry, but I don't see that this "context" changes anything. n/t

[goodgd_yall]

6. With all the misinterpretation you've been reading

I don't doubt you're having problems adjusting to the truth.

[KittyWampus]

15. the only thing good about Cuomo's comment, he's more subtle. I'll give him that.

But as a NY'er, i can assure DU'ers the man is a loser.

[goodgd_yall]

24. Cuomo is a loser?

What did he do?

[Ian David]

4. You're probably right, but you know what would be helpful?

If you could do some google-mining and find an example of Cuomo using the phrase "shuck and jive" some other time in the past. That would certainly put it completely to rest.

Of course, the burden of proof is not on you to prove a negative. But such a find would truly cement your case. Unless he said it about Jesse Jackson.

[goodgd_yall]

8. I'm not actually trying to save Cuomo's reputation

I'm more concerned how this one remark is being used to reflect on Hillary Clinton.

[sandnsea]

5. cuz he says that ALL THE TIME

And you can get me quotes and quotes and quotes to prove it, right?

[jefferson_dem]

26. Andrew was just today commenting on how Eli Manning "shucked and jived" his way around the field...

as the Giants beat the Cowboys. Hell...the other day, he was heard asking his administrative assistant to "shuck and jive" on over to Starbucks for his triple grande skinny latte.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. I know that. The Obama campaign knows that. The "black community"

knows that. But that does not stop Obama from using it as a political ploy to gain votes from the black community.

No substance = attack.

[AX10]

9. No substance = attack

The core of the Obama campaign.
Also, the "Hope and Change" memo.

[OHdem10]

18. I do not intend this to be hurtful in anyway.

This country can never heal. We cannot communicate .
If everytime someone opens their mouth they are accused
of bigotry or some form of intolerance, they will cease
associating. They will not put themselves forward to
be falsely accused.

In this country intent used to count for something.

Responsible reporters have this shuck and jive is not racist.

I have never heard the expression. If I repeated it
I could be labeled a bigot.

This sort of thing set race relations back. People say
Oh, hell, why bother. I will not walk on eggs so as not
to offend. I will find my own friends. Instead of community
we will be balkanized in each of our own little worlds.

Andrew Cuomo is a genuine person. Look at his life. Has
he been doing things to harm blacks. No. The intent to
do harm was not there.

Twisting Hilary's statement into a pretzel in order to try
to make her sound racists--There was no intent to harm.
Scoring political points in one place can hurt you in
another place.

[Essene]

10. Stop making apologist deflections. Look at the facts of this racist baiting

at the risk of having my post deleted for "spamming" attacks, you need to put this in the context of the entire week of smearing.

those of you making excuses for this oughta be ashamed...

SMEAR FACT CHECK: Hillary's attacks on Obama

### Clinton aids confirm race baiting agenda

It isnt a direct quote and it's the Guardian after-all, but it's on record. "Aides believe that, combined with a surge of support among women, Clinton's 'crying' incident, and the possible role of race in bringing white voters to the New York senator's side, they see the makings of a reconfigured strategy to carry the campaign forward." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/11/as-new-hampshire-dust-set_n_81159.html

### He's likely to get assassinated.

Somebody who introduced Hillary Clinton emphasized the comparison with JFK and how he got killed. “Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated." The Clinton admin distanced themselves from his comments, calling them inappropriate, but the damage was done. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

### He's no MLK. And dreams need a President not speeches.

She dissed MLK, suggesting REAL change only happened because of President Johnson (not MLK's dream or the civil rights movement). She then implied that he doesn't remotely compare to MLK or Kennedy. "You know, today Senator Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me. He basically compared himself to our greatest heroes because they gave great speeches." Sad. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/civilrights/

Think about it...

“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act.” “It took a president to get it done.”

“You know, today Senator Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me. He basically compared himself to our greatest heroes because they gave great speeches. President Kennedy was in Congress for 14 years. He was a war hero. He was a man of great accomplishments and readiness to be president. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. led a movement. He was gassed. He was beaten. He was jailed. And he gave a speech that was one of the most beautifully, profoundly important speeches ever written in America, the “I have a dream” speech. And then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil rights laws passed, because the dream couldn’t be realized until finally it was legally permissible for people of all colors and backgrounds and races and ethnicities to be accepted as citizens."

Somebody remind Hillary that she supported Barry Goldwater back then... o.0

### Al qaeda will strike!!

"Look what happened in Great Britain," she said. "Tony Blair leaves, Gordon Brown comes in, the very next day, there are terrorist attacks... So you've got to be prepared on Day One with everything ready to go." Sorry, but that's a disgraceful comment, directly suggesting terrorist will strike with the election of Obama. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/05/cnr.06.html

### Flip flopper (abortion swiftboating)

Just watch the ABC debate from 1/5/08. She repeated this charge in various ways, although in fairness she did get into specifics in a few cases (which i think is fair game if you challenge the record itself on the issues). However, for a couple months... this has been her primary charge against him. http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4092530

However, when they intentionally distorted his record on abortion to effectively swiftboat him in NH, that's really the kind of politics the democrats cannot afford in the primary. http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080106/NEWS01/801060396/1043

### The hip black male who can't provide

In the words of that Clinton adviser: "If you have a social need, you're with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you're young and you have no social needs, then he's cool." http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2238148,00.html

### False hope.

"An untested man who offers false hope." "We don't need to be raising the false hopes of our country about what can be delivered." Clinton herself said this. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4088317&page=1 & http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_01/012851.php

### Obama just shucks and jives

Andrew Cuomo, NY Attorney General, and Clinton fan... came out swingin at Obama after NH primary. “You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference,” he added. “All those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.” http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Dept_of_word_choice.html

### Hispanics won't vote for him

Clinton pollster Sergio Bendixen: “The Hispanic voter—and I want to say this very carefully—has not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates.” http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/12/racial-tensions-a-potential-boost-for-clinton

### Obama is just poetry.

She's been stumping with comments about how he's just talking poetry and she's ready to govern with prose. Cute. " a doer, not a talker." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_rdp

### Obama is just a fairy tale.

Bill Clinton's rant the other day that i think shocked more than a few of us. Clinton flat out called Obama a liar, said he was a fairy tale. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLDx4NZr2u4

### Obama is in this only because of blind media.

Bill Clinton also suggested it was "wrong" that Obama has been able to get through 15 debates without being called a liar by the press. He implies the blind, uncritical media is the problem. "The press never reported on" yadda yadda. "Give me a break!" He thought Hillary was going to lose NH and was basically blaming the media for this "fairy tale." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLDx4NZr2u4

### Obama lacks depth and reality.

"On a lot of these issues it is hard to know where he stands, and people need to ask that." "As famously was said years ago, 'Where's the beef?'" Clinton said that herself. In the context of the other smearing, this takes on racial overtones (onfortunately, because it otherwise is fair game). http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4088317&page=1

### Muslim (danger danger!).

Several Clinton campaign folks were removed over this. One may argue this absolves her from responsibility, yet anybody paying attention realizes this smear is arguably one of higher impact ones. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/10/second-clinton-volunteer-_n_76047.html

But this is only wacky emails having nothing to do with Hillary's camp! Not like Bob Kerrey and others kept this issue alive in the public dialog or anything. http://themoderatevoice.com/religion/islam/muslims/16573/clinton-support-bob-kerry-continues-to-raise-obama-muslim-issues/

### Drug record makes him unelectable.

Top Clinton advisor steps down after making various arguments about how Obama can't get elected due to his drug use. In the context of all the other stuff, this most certainly has racial overtones and will be taken that way by many minorities. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004077664_obama17.html

### Male chuavanism and the gender card.

Folks may reasonably disagree on the interpretation, but she's clearly playing the gender card lately - even implied that her gender alone equates to meaningful change in the White House (just imagine the outcry if Obama said that about being black). She said that in the 1/5/08 debate. Similarly, the spin out of NH is that his comment was rude and poor Hillary's being beaten up on by the boys *tear*. That's how i intepret this spin, and it seems very clear to me. And if you question her crying about her campaign hardships, she implies THAT is male chuavanism too. http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4092530 & http://bourbonroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/01/07/clintons-candid-assessment/

And additionally... i'd like to just focus on this clip from the NH Debate. She was attacked on the issue of likability. She joked that he's likable. He DEFENDED HER in return. She even says "i appreciate that," yet all the Clinton spin doctors (and Rove) are trying to pretend he attacked her. Watch for yourself and be honest. These 2 were just handling an obnoxious question with grace, but now the Clinton base is trying to turn this into a chuavanistic attack by him? Get real. Watch it. It was friendly. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7RuzYvtCw

Lying about a black man's "tone" towards a white woman is easy to get away with in 2008, I guess.

### Obama is Bush 3.0

"He’s very likable . I agree with that…. You know, in 2000 we, unfortunately, ended up with a president who people said they wanted to have a beer with." “I think it’s good to have a likeable president. But if I remember right, many people said they wanted to have a beer with George W. Bush. Maybe they should’ve left it at that – have a beer, don’t vote him in as our president.” It's a slick way to deflect the likability argument, but she even tries to imply this has policy implications, electing an inexperienced guy just because he's likable.

### Obama is too liberal.

"Hillary's aides point to Obama's extremely progressive record as a community organizer, state senator and candidate for Congress, his alliances with 'left-wing' intellectuals in Chicago's Hyde Park community, and his liberal voting record on criminal defendants' rights as subjects for examination." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/04/new-hampshire-will-be-key_n_79873.html

### Obama is too conservative.

They claimed he was "unwilling to take a stand on choice." His controversial gay marriage position is a legitimate issue, for sure, but they've tried to paint him as too conservative. http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_mailer_hits_obama_on_abortion.php

### Obama is soft on crime.

"Mandatory minimums take too much discretion away from judges." "Barack Obama's kind of change is where you sit down and you cut a deal with the corporate world." All the attacks on his record now are going to be cast in racial terms, unfortunately. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4088317&page=1 & http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/04/hillary-hits-obama-for-op_n_79918.html

[goodgd_yall]

11. Why should I take your listing seriously

when it has the very Cuomo quote is attributed to a comment on Obama's performance. It wasn't, so I have great doubts about the credibility of your whole post.

[Essene]

14. 1. it cites sources? 2. i may hate hillary now, but im not an obama fanboy

[goodgd_yall]

22. I don't have to cite sources

My post already pointed out that Cuomo's quote is falsely interpreted. Now why would I bother going through the rest of the dreck in your post.

[OHdem10]

19. May I say there is nothing on that list that has any thing to

do with race. They could accuse Edwards, Biden, Dodd etc
of the identical same things.

Those are generalized topics which is what campaigning is all about.

To be sure you are not saying to simply criticise Obama is racist.

This is nothing. i am sorry .

[sandnsea]

27. bookmarked

That should be posted a couple of times a day, every day, in people get it through their thick heads.

[jefferson_dem]

12. Uh huh.

Sure.

[goodgd_yall]

21. Yep

Uh-huh, Cuomo really said that----the Iowa caucus and the NH primary require candidates to meet with the people, unlike the Super Tuesday primaries where TV ads will proliferate.
Now, isn't that something.

[Barack_America]

13. That's yesterday's news...n/t

[AX10]

17. Now that we have the facts, it's yesterday's news.

:eyes:

Just like Bush in 2000, that is Obama now.

[goodgd_yall]

20. Apparently, from the many "shuck and jive" posts I see today

It's not yesterday's news. Just trying to show the complete context and clarify the meaning. But it sounds like you don't give a damn anyway.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Super Tuesday is where the real stuff happens

You have to be out there campaigning nonstop. You can't be having weepy-eyed coffee klatches and little doily-coastered knitting circles. It's about shoe leather, rolled-up shirtsleeves, pounding the pavement, firm handshakes, etc.

Whaaaaaa? I'm talking about the way Super Tuesday works, not anyone in particular! Doncha know how to read???? :eyes:

[gaspee]

23. Can't let the truth

get in the way, now can we?

Funny, about half the people posting on this thread are on ignore.

[goodgd_yall]

25. I guess close-minded

and/or emotionally tender?

[DemDogs]

28. So who exactly is shucking and jiving according to Cuomo? (n/t)

[goodgd_yall]

29. You're not really that challenged.

Or are you? I don't want to insult your intelligence by actually giving your question an honest answer.