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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:27 PM
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Poor Obama, I feel sorry for him.If I had been running HRC's
campaign, and Kerry offered his endorsement,I'd give him a million dollars to endorse my opponent, instead and then i'd write that million off as the most useful advertising expense ever!

John Kerry, arguably our least-liked Democrat (sincec Kissyface Joe went to the Dark Side) picked John Edwards for VP in 2004 (after McCain turned him down, they say) and now, three years later, Edwards isn't deserving of Kerry's vote? Edwards is either steaming or happy as hell, anybody know which? I say HAPPY AS HELL

When HRC wins the most states on Feb 5th the HRC campaign should give John and his wife a cruise around the world that will return to America the day after the election in November, because if he's here, he may open his mouth and blow everything for us.

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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:30 PM
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1. John Kerry doesn't deserve this hate
He's a good Democrat.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:26 PM
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30. Hillary certainly doesn't deserve the hate she gets either.
Especially from supposed democrats
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:31 PM
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2. I wonder if there's a limit to the ignore list n/t
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:31 PM
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3. Bill Clinton lobbied hardest for Kerry's endorsement. Must not be THAT bad.
If Kerry had given in to Bill,
just as if Oprah had given in to Hillary,


what would those who support the Clintons say
of either Kerry or Oprah?
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:46 PM
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28. Who said Clinton lobbied for Kerry's endorsement?
I didn't know that. My spy was pissed that Kerry did that. If Kerry had any kind of competition he could very well lose. The guy right now that it running against him is kind of a loony toon.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:00 PM
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32. Here's the Daily Kos diary that explains Kerry being lobbied by Clinton
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 09:03 PM by Anouka
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/11/14112/1452/429/...

here's the source the Daily Kos diarist (since for some reason we're forbidden to use names) named within his diary:

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/that_kerry_e...

The Washington Post sees former Democratic nominee John Kerry's endorsement of Barack Obama as a setback for his 2004 running mate John Edwards. But a source close to Kerry tells me that the person who had been working hardest to get it was Hillary Clinton--to the point where her husband had personally lobbied Kerry's brother Cam and his former brother-in-law David Thorne.

Kerry has never been particularly close to the Clintons. He thought they could have done far more to help him in 2004, and hasn't forgotten that Hillary Clinton was one of the first to criticize him over what he called a "botched joke" about U.S. troops in Iraq in 2006. (This, of course, was when Kerry was still considered a contender to be running against Clinton in 2008.) It helped, too, that Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick is supporting Obama, and that much of Kerry's fundraising network has already migrated to the Obama campaign.

What's Kerry's endorsement worth? The significance of these things with voters tend to be overplayed, and Kerry's own performance in 2004 has devalued his stock with the Democratic Party. But it does lend some establishment cred to the Obama operation. And Kerry still has the remnants of an organization in the primary states, as well as an enormous e-mail list.


The writer of this piece, Karen Tumulty, is described as "TIME's National Political Correspondent and has also covered the White House and Congress."

So who knows, right?

What is your opinion of Ms. Tumulty's characterization of Kerry's relationship with the Clintons, if I may ask?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:31 PM
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4. Kerry is brilliant and supported the best candidate. Get over it. nt
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:33 PM
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8. Brilliant At Losing. Sees Himself In Obama.
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:50 PM
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25. No, it's just that losers like you tend to project
Hey, I was also disappointed when he didn't go to Edwards, but Kerry made his choice. It's done. Get over it.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:32 PM
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5. Your assessment brings back
memories............Thanks for the re-cap, I guess I suppressed some of the trauma.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:32 PM
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John Kerry Is An Idiot. Remember His Joke About the Army? He Wouldn't Appologize, Then Did
Weeks later. He's just a moron.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:34 PM
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11. You are smearing him and everybody knows it, even the HRC and Edwards people here
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 06:34 PM by hnmnf
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:35 PM
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13. The true sign of an idiot is someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
"Weeks"?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:36 PM
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14. First off... it's spelled MORAN on DU. Second off...
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 06:36 PM by Cooley Hurd
...you MUST be the ORIGINAL MORAN Guy:

...after reading your shitty post aginst a GREAT AMERICAN like John Kerry. :eyes:
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:32 PM
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6. HRC isn't Going to Win the Most Delegates February 5th...
No need to worry about Obama's feelings.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:32 PM
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7. Yes, She Will.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:34 PM
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12. No, she won't.
I can play this silly game as well.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:37 PM
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17. Here's why you shouldn't bet on that:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:33 PM
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9. Man - this HAS to be the crappiest post of the evening..
:thumbsdown:

...educate yourself about JK, and get back to us.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:33 PM
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10. The sour grapes continue...
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:36 PM
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15. Well aren't you just snarky.
Can you find polls on John Kerry that reflect your opinion on his lack of popularity?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:36 PM
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16. The average person doesn't share your Kerry disdain...
Therefore, the average person, is not going to see Kerry's endorsement of Obama
as you do.

It's not that big of a deal. It's one endorsement.

It was significant because he is an established Dem who has been around for decades.

The endorsement showcases that Hillary, even though she's been around for years, does
not have across-the-board support from the Democratic establishment. The endorsement
also shows that Obama, a Senate newcomer has the ability to garner support from experienced
Dems who have been around a while.

And if I were you, I'd pay attention to the fans Hillary seems to have. Karl Rove cut Obama seven
ways to Sunday--and his actions were tantamount to endorsing Hillary. I'd take a Kerry endorsement
over being philosophically aligned with Rove--any day of the week.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:38 PM
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18. More pure FLAMEBAIT from BenDavid: BEST option is to NOT REPLY
DO not take the bait. Let this divisive and destructive thread sink.

Restore civility to our discussions.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:39 PM
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19. Quit bitching....
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:40 PM
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20. Hey, Ben, Buddy, go out and enjoy some sunshine, have a beer b/c trashing fighting Democrats
like Kerry ain't gonna win you friends around here. I'd been hoping that Kerry would endorse Edwards personally, but I respect his choice. You should as well.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:43 PM
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21. JK Didn't Endorse JE, Oh Well
I'm an Edwards supporter and don't think Kerry's endorsement would have made a difference to Edwards one way or another. I mean, sure some people like to play like Edwards is better off without it, and some like to make it sound like a huge slap in the face to Edwards. It is neither.

Kerry owes Edwards nothing and Edwards should know better than to expect anything from Kerry. Theirs was a "marriage of convenience" all along. Kerry picked Edwards because Edwards had done so well in the primary, he knew it would appease Edwards supporters. He also hoped it might make him competitive in the south. I don't think Edwards was Kerry's first choice and I think Edwards knew that but he was wanting a shot at the White House badly enough to take the VP slot and hope that after 8 years...

After they didn't win, I think at least a part of them blamed the other. Kerry would only be human to wonder had he picked a different running mate would things have turned out differently. For Edwards it would also be natural to think that had Kerry listened to more of his ideas on campaigning they would have been in the White House.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:44 PM
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22. Hillary sent out Bill to get the Kerry endorsement. Guess it didn't work. NT
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:46 PM
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23. I don't notice a rush by Senators to endorse Hillary. Makes you go "hmm....".
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libertee Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:57 PM
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26. No it doesn't at all...
endorsements are egomaniac actions of the endorser...give voters a break and allow them to make up their own minds...
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 09:20 PM
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33. Especially, with Claire McCaskill (D-MO) endorsing him.
n/t
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:47 PM
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24. I don't think there's any danger of Obama allowing Kerry to
talk him into flip-flopping.

:shrug:
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:42 PM
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27. Which is why Hillary Clinton was so intent cosigning a letter to the Pentagon
a few months ago asking for a plan for Iraq contingency. Yeah! Sure. Try again.

Continue whining. That Hillary supporters are making this circus is a good sign that this endorsement is good.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:47 PM
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29. I'd feel sorry for hillary but she's such
a fucking warmonger she can suck it up.
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vee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:32 PM
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31. First MLK, now Kerry, you folks are relentless. Trashers
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