Obama-Clinton Or Clinton-Obama

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I think those are the only tickets that can unite the entire party... Whoever wins should at least offer the vice presidency to the other...

It might be too much change and risky but it's not as risky as going in to the election with a fractured party...

" A house divided can not stand."

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

1. I'll go for Edwards-Obama (or Obama-Edwards)

just my take.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Respectfully, He's Not Going To Be Close To The Other Two In Delegate Count*

*Unless he somehow miraclously changes the dynamic of this race...

[movonne]

10. I don't think he has to to become a vp....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. No

But then that defeats the purpose of a unity ticket...

[sandnsea]

2. Fair Election In Nevada

How about we start there.

[TwilightGardener]

3. It won't happen. Obama won't agree to be VP, and neither will she.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Then Neither Side Can Complain

Problem solved...

[peace13]

6. Where is the change in either of those scenarios?

Please highlight how Iraq/Iran and government for the people instead of for the corp. will change in any way? Oh well I am glad that you are happy. Someone should be.

[cali]

26. Sure. I'll just address Obama

Obama has been a long time advocate for gov't reform. He's written and sponsored legislation limiting lobbyist influence. He has specific policies for both gov't and corporate transparency. He plans to get troops out of Iraq within 16 months. He has taken no lobbyist money in this campaign. He was the first major candidate to say he'd talk with high level Iranians. What else would you like to know.

[peace13]

His position on Iraq seems to change from debate to debate.

At one point Hillary, Obama and Edwards came out with the exact same stance. Thank you for your information. Peace, Kim

[antiimperialist]

7. That is an impossible ticket now

an Obama-Clinton ticket would lead reporters to ask the question, "Mrs. Clinton. Didn't your husband say that Obama's candidacy is a fairy tale"? How did that change now that you are trying to become the Vice-president?"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Bill Clinton Said Obama's Anti-War Stance Was A "Fairy Tale" Not His Candidacy

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[Big Blue Marble]

18. It remains an unfair criticism of Senator Obama.

Bill's statement was misleading and insulting. And was meant to blunt
the difference between Hillary's Iraq vote and Obama's position on Iraq

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. That Can Be Debated

But it's unfair to say Bill Clinton dissed the very notion of his candidacy...

[Big Blue Marble]

31. No that remains the subtle undertone of Bill's fairy tale remark.

Bill and Hillary were both out to prove that Obama was unfit to be president.
She tearing up at the thought that an Obama presidency would take us backward.
And Bill calling Obama, a sitting senator, Constitutional scholar, and proven legislative
activist, a kid.

They were both dissing Obama's campaign every chance they had, including the fairy tale insult.

[cd3dem]

29. Hillary's Iraq vote and Obama's not there to vote

Let's get all the facts... Obama was in Illinois at the time of the Iraq vote... and what was he doing in Illinois?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html

"It’s Not Just ‘Ayes’ and ‘Nays’: Obama’s Votes in Illinois Echo

In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Obama's Not Perfect... Neither Is Hill

We are trying to elect a pres not annoint a Pope...

[Big Blue Marble]

34. Your point is well taken...

but then Popes are not perfect either.:shrug:

[cd3dem]

37. there is only one person who we know of that never makes a mistake...

W ........................not

[MethuenProgressive]

12. Antiimp, you know that's not what was said - why board the Swiftboat?

Haven't we learned *anything* since Bush swiftboated Kerry?

[antiimperialist]

14. My bad

...but with the Iraq war being so important it would hurt the candidacy in that particular issue, and that's not good for the Democratic Party.

[Smarmie Doofus]

23. Hardly impossible. See "voodoo economics". nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. And Bush Pere Had To Abandon His Pro Choice Stand Too

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[BeyondGeography]

8. Won't happen, IMO, but I appreciate your concern

and I'm NOT being sarcastic.

[BenDavid]

13. Lets extend this out some and you can presume but I know HRC

will be the nominee....Now all this going on about the clintons being mean to obama and all this foolhearted attempt to paint them both as racists will have passed and HRC will have received a good majority of the black vote and this will be good as she goes into the general election against the republican.....Now follow along here....Hrc does not need obama to carry all the blue states that Gore and Kerry did in 00, and 04, nor will she need obama to carry Illinois....and she might need a good vp choice to carry, oh say Tennessee. Now if HRC were to chose Harold Ford Jr. then Iwould say HRC will carry Tenn. and you can forego Florida as we all know if gore had won tenn. in 00 he would be president irregardless of the florida recount. hell, there would have been no reason for a recount.
So, I do not say HRC will choose Harold Ford Jr. but just a thought....HRC can pick up a few states and win the presidency and those would be West Virgina and New Mexico and there my friends is the election.....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. The Race Stuff Sickens Me: From All Sides-The Racism And The Racialism

African Americans have been a loyal constituency... Their feelings need to be taken into account for reasons of prudence and respect...

[BenDavid]

28. I concur with your statement and I am sure both Clintons will

meet with whomever needs be and resolve this misunderstanding and to me that is exactly what it was, but you got to keep the hotheads like Jesse Jackson Jr to hold his misguided fire and bombard faux news for splicing the tape on Bill Clintons speech wherein he says "fairy tale" and if one views and hears the speech one will know it was addressed to the media......

[jefferson_dem]

15. Agreed. It will happen.

One way or another.

Bookmark this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. You Agree With Me

It has to be at least offered or the party will be split...

Hillary needs all the African American voters she can get and Obama needs all the working class white, high school educated voters , older women,and Hispanics he can get...

It is risky though but the MSM would think twice before attacking a black man or a white woman...

[jefferson_dem]

32. DSB...

My heart and soul are with Obama but my head tells me it will be a hard uphill slog and to not get my hopes up. So I prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Bottom line: I will not be suprised if the ticket is Clinton-Obama 2008. In my view, there's no way in hell she can deny him the second slot if he wants it. To put it bluntly, "that shit won't fly." Given the qualities he would bring to the ticket - in terms of personal attributes and skills as well as a fine-tuned political operation and millions of supporters - it would also be the smart choice.

So...embrace history. As someone said, "Shake hands with tomorrow. It's here."

[Big Blue Marble]

16. Stop the hemorrhaging now by raising the discourse and eliminating the rancor.

Sadly, I know that is not likely or easy, but it is the only way that the party reunites around the eventual nominee. Let each candidate and all their surrogates focus on what they offer us. Stop all negative attacks. I understand that especially for the Clintons, this would be very hard. They have spent so much of their political lives under intense
fire. And they have survived brilliantly by fighting back even harder. This is the only way they know to how win. The problem is the fight they took to the Republicans, the only fight they know, is not the fight they can take to this race with Obama. The party will implode. It has already begun. The only way is to pull back from the abyss and go positive.

[bunnies]

19. No thank you. nt

[Kucinich4America]

20. Neither.

No ticket with Hillary on it is acceptable. And the more I hear about Obama and who is endorsing him, the less I like him.

How about Edwards-Kucinich? Or Kucinich-Edwards?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

22. Obama-Clinton would be a bad ticket

Clinton would be a drag on Barack's message, and it's hard to imagine her taking the job anyway.

Clinton-Obama would be a great unity ticket, and a great preparation for Barack 2016, but I fear their individual electoral handicaps might be additive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. If They Lost He Still Gets His Chance In 2012 Or 2016

The Democratic establishment to the extent that it could would clear the field for him...

[catnhatnh]

33. JEDNE.....N/T

[tokenlib]

35. Foreign policy will rule VP?

I think foreign policy will be the criteria for Clinton or Obama. Watch it be Richardson.

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

36. not in a

million years

[Radical Activist]

38. Clinton will divide the party if she's on the ticket.

She is a divisive figure with the general public and within the party. There are much better choices for an Obama running mate. Its time to make a clean break from the past.

[Hippo_Tron]

39. No, there will be enough time for the nominee to get the party in line without this

Campaigns are longer and they have a long period to appeal to their base before the convention. That really takes out the necessity of picking a VP to unite the party.

[IndianaGreen]

40. Jesus-Lucifer or Lucifer-Jesus

Although I am certain that Hillary were to lose the nomination, Bill Clinton will be pushing to put her on the VP spot.

There are better women than Hillary!

[redqueen]

41. Edwards !

:bounce:

[styersc]

42. The next president will be a Republican

The ignorance and stupidity of the last few weeks has me convinced that the Democratic Party is over. We were once a great coalition party. Now we are a sniping pack of special interests. We don't deserve to govern.

[Stop Cornyn]

43. Triangulator-Centrist '08 or Centrist-Triangulator '08? Neither, thanks!