Insulting our intelligence

[realFedUp]

A pundit on one of the cable pol. shows
last night and I think it was someone
named Tom (and I think it was Hardball) who I'd never seen before
made a sweeping generalization that Hillary's
supporters tended to be less educated
women. Give me a break. We Dems are very fortunate
to have a slate of all great candidates...all
who could step into the Presidency and all the
candidates are attracting different people with different
backgrounds, circumstances and education. Was George
Bush any measure of the intelligence of those
who voted for him? Are watchers of Fox news morons?

Let's stop generalizing....maybe you'd be correct
half the time. And it is insulting to our intelligence.
Also cut out the racist wonderings and comments.
It also insults who we are and what we want from
the next President.

Howabout talking about the candidate's resumes for once
or is that just too over our heads or yours?

[Atman]

1. No one was "generalizing." They actually do research these things.

Hillary supporters do, indeed, tend to be less educated. I chalk it up to the celebrity factor...Hillary Clinton is a celebrity, people loved her husband...she's a good choice for people who don't really get involved in politics much, less educated people. To support someone else would actually require involvement. Hillary is a celebrity they feel they know.

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[Anouka]

2. goes hand in hand with the '2 for 1' argument

support Hillary, get Bill?

[1corona4u]

3. Got any factual data to back up your assertion?

I'll wait....

[Atman]

5. Did you entirely miss the point of my post?

I don't have the data. I'm not a market researcher, although my entire thirty year career has been in marketing of one form or another. Are you really serious? Do you really think people go out and spend millions/billions of dollars without knowing who their audience is? There is an entire industry based solely on finding out why people do what they do, purchase what they purchase, and yes, vote for whom they vote for.

I, personally, don't have the data...but you can certainly Google it yourself.

Wait all you want.

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[1corona4u]

8. So you're making baseless accusations.

Usually, on this board, when someone makes a 'claim', they post a link with it, to bolster their claim. At least, that's been my experience here.

Perhaps you should Google things before you say them;

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[Atman]

9. Okay, I get the point, you're a Hillary Clinton supporter

And apparently you went to college, so you take personal offense at the factual data without taking one word of what I stated into account. This isn't tarot cards or psychic readings...it's market research. Perhaps you need to refine your search terms, or try Lexus/Nexus. I'm not sure why you're so offended by this. If you went to college and support Hillary, good for you! Nothing is wrong with that. Same as nothing is wrong with it if you DIDN'T go to college. It's just a fact.

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[1corona4u]

15. Once again, I'm not a 'Hillary supporter"

See my sig line. I simply like facts;

Here are the facts, from the exit polls from NH. They did not do 'education' exit polls for Iowa. But in the NH primary, they did, and they do not support your 'theory' of Hillary supporters being less educated.


(in percentage of voters)

NH Primary;
High school graduate; Hillary 46, Obama; 31
Some college or associate degree; Hillary 40, Obama, 39
College graduate; Hillary, 37 Obama, 35
Postgraduate study; Hillary 31, Obama, 43

Post graduate was the only area where Obama ranked higher, and that certainly doesn't mean that the other demographics are less intelligent.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225995/

[Atman]

17. Who said I was talking about New Hampshire?

I was talking generally, on a national level. Besides, you've totally supported my point! No one said Hillary Clinton supporters were UNeducated! The demographics said LESSER educated. As you state, the "only area" where Obama supporters trump Clinton supporters is in Post Graduate degrees. So isn't that the same thing as Clinton supporters being "lesser" educated? Again, I never said Clinton supporters were stupid or uneducated. Simply LESSER educated, and you proved that point for me. Thanks.

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[1corona4u]

19. Well, it's a little premature to start talking

about the REST of the nation, when NO ONE else has voted, now isn't it. If you think polls and research are always right, I'd encourage you to think about NH more.

You just want to argue. I don't.

Buh bye.

[Atman]

20. Are you TRYING to misunderstand?

Jebus. What is with you?

Of course the rest of the nation hasn't voted. I'm not talking about fucking exit polls, and neither were you. I'm talking about the demographics. Is that so hard to understand? People research this shit, and you posted data that conclusively underscored the point I was making...but you don't want to argue? Great! Don't, then. But at least attempt to understand what the discussion is about!

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[Madam Mossfern]

13. Have you tried

'Education levels of candidates supporters' or something like that. I will in a couple of minutes.

Here ya go - haven't read it yet but it has a table.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=334

edit: You can find the appropriate table at the bottom of the page.

[realFedUp]

23. This was done on June 4, 2007

I queried your post further down to ask where
this came from...I see now.

[realFedUp]

4. Did Oprah's support win Obama Iowa?

Was it that young men just couldn't physically
stand in Hillary's caucus groups?

Lots of things to wonder about but it tends to
be looking at factors that don't honor the
candidate's abilities or what their experience is.

Hillary and Obama have support of all kinds
of people. We are looking at who can start digging
us out of the Bush Inc. mess from day one.

[Atman]

7. OF COURSE they have support of "all kinds of people."

No one said otherwise. Try this visual...in a football stadium of 60,000 people, a vast majority of the fans will be something. I don't know the factual demographics, I'm just creating an example on the fly. But out of the 60,000, it can be factually proven that X number of them are, for example, male. X number are males who used to play football in college. X number are males who play football recreationally but never attended college. These aren't mystical, mysterious numbers...just hard-core facts which can be proven. That's how the data about Hillary supporters came about. I remember reading the story about it months ago, I wish I could find it. But market researchers actually do go out and ask people these things. And the data proves that a certain proportion of Hillary Clinton's supporters are less educated than a certain portion of Obama supporters. I'm not sure why this kind of data should surprise anyone. I'm not trying to insult anyone or throw my support behind any particular candidate. I'm just telling it like it is.

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[auburngrad82]

26. I am not a Hilary supporter but I cry bullshit

Now if you were to tell me that Huckabee supporters were uneducated rednecks, I'd probably agree with you. The people who are voting for the Democratic candidates this time around seem to be using their brains, no matter what candidate they're voting for. They know that things are seriously fucked up and that the GOP is the party responsible for said fuckup.

But until you show me definitive proof that Hilary voters are dumber than Edwards or Obama or Richardson voters then I say you're full of shit.

[Atman]

27. LISTEN, PLEASE...no one, but NO ONE said "uneducated."

Can anyone READ? Or are you uneducated. It says LESSER educated. As in, have lesser degrees. Just look at the figures the other poster put up...it never once says Hillary supporters are UN-educated, nor did I ever say that.

Sheesh.

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[auburngrad82]

28. I can't listen to you. The sound is off on my pc but I am reading your posts

But until you show me definitive proof that Hilary voters are dumber than Edwards or Obama or Richardson voters then I say you're full of shit.

In answer to your question, I am not uneducated. I am a college educated professional and I would support Hilary or Barak. By the way, when you ask a question you should always end the question with the proper punctuation, ie a question mark. Otherwise it throws a doubt as to the level of your education.

Now, prove that Hilary voters are less educated than Obama voters, Richardson voters, or Edwards voters.

Years ago I would have agreed that Democratic candidates tended to attract more "salt of the earth" type voters but obviously the last few election cycles have shown that the lesser educated voters have been the bread and butter of the GOP, vigorously backing George Bush and his party to the end. The more educated you are the more you are able to see past the bullshit.

Education only goes so far, though. The GOP's other major source of voters are the incredibly wealthy, who stick with the GOP because they know they can depend on them to do what is in the best interest of the wealthy- tax cuts, no-bid contracts, etc.

I do not believe that any of the Democratic candidates can or do depend on those "lesser educated" voters for their support. I do think that is exactly what the GOP is trying to do with the use of terrorist threats, hatred towards gays and immigrants, etc. Otherwise, how do you explain their great success in getting their voters to vote for a party whose policies hurt them more than help them?

To quote you, "Sheesh".

[Atman]

29. If you're so effing smart, why can't you grasp this very simple concept?

Okay, so you score 5 points for cute snarkiness, but then deduct 20 for obtuseness. My brother-in-law is an Auburn grad, about the same time as you, but he turned out smart. He's a "rocket scientist," in fact. What happened to you?

The survey/poll results have been posted a couple of times already in this thread, yet for some reason you've reached the conclusion that I'm just making this stuff up. Worse yet, you cannot seem to let go of the notion that "lesser educated" equates to UNeducated. An 11th grader is LESSER EDUCATED than a 12th grader. Both are LESSER EDUCATED than a college sophomore, who is LESSER EDUCATED than a post-grad student.

Now, think about this one carefully...are ANY of those people I just mentioned "un-educated?" Did I ever once say Hillary supporters were UNeducated? The facts speak for themselves, as demonstrated in the demographics; people with no college education are demonstrably more likely to support Hillary Clinton. Period. Get insulted all you want, I didn't make up the numbers! Good god! Why is this do difficult for you to understand?

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[Barack_America]

6. It sounds to me like he was mashing together the NH exit polling data...

Which showed that Hillary carried women, while Obama tended to carry people with "higher educational background" and Independents.

It was inappropriate to combine those into "less educated women" when the statistics actually suggested "all women".

[Barack_America]

11. Umm, guys, I kind of explained what you're fighting over in my above post.

Thanks.

[End Of The Road]

10. Let's debunk

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/071025nj1.htm

Even in the summer polling, Clinton held a commanding lead among noncollege women, drawing 49 percent of them; now she has slightly stretched her advantage to 55 percent. Among men without college educations, she has modestly increased her share of the vote from 40 percent in the summer to 44 percent now; likewise, among college-educated men, still her weakest group, she has edged up from 30 percent in the summer to 34 percent now, Gallup found.

The biggest change is among college-educated women. In the summer surveys, they preferred Obama over Clinton, 35 percent to 32 percent. Now those women strongly back Clinton over Obama, 47 percent to 24 percent. "What you see is, she has strengthened her base and... broadened her constituency," Penn says.

[Atman]

12. icorona4u disagrees with you

The data you show proves what I stated. And it has since changed. But icorona says there is no such data at all, that it's all just baseless assumptions.

But now maybe she agrees with you, since you were able to post data she likes.

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[End Of The Road]

14. The POINT is, college-educated women support Hillary

over Obama by a wide margin.

[1corona4u]

16. See my post above...

The exit polls from NH tell the facts.

[Atman]

18. Yes they do. Thanks again for proving my point!

:hi:

You actually did better than I did...look at the demos for those with only a high school education. Your other stats are just one or two points apart, hardly earth-shattering. Then you get back up to the post-grad degrees. You really outdid yourself. Thank you again.
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[Madam Mossfern]

21. The table

This assesses the general demographic of the candidates' supporters.

[realFedUp]

22. Source? Gore is included in this table

Hi, can you source where the table is from...
how many registered voters, male and female...
location and date it was done.
Thanks.

I would think any of these need to be
done all the time since voters are
just starting to pay attention to the
candidates and races.

[realFedUp]

24. Nevermind, I read your link above from June 4th, Pew Research

Any more timely ones?

[Bucky]

25. Democrats do tend to draw votes from an on-average less educated base

That doesn't make us less wise, but higher levels of formal education do, in fact, correllate with stronger Republican-voting trend lines. It's probably a function of income, of course, but the facts are hard to argue against.