Can we stop the myth that Obama believes a marriage is only between a man and woman?

[cmaff05]

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00163

His vote in June of 2006 says otherwise. He voted nay to an amendment that would declare a marriage between a man and women.

I love this place, but misinformation spreads fast here and this particular myth needs to be dispelled QUICKLY.

The McClurkin incident was unfortunate: it was a mistake that will no doubt never happen again and he will learn from. But make no mistake, Obama's record in the Senate shows that he is progressive and will defend gay/bi/lesbian rights.

[Occam Bandage]

1. Actually, he does, albeit on a personal--and not a political policy--level.

[ingac70]

2. It is the political opinion that matters though. n/t.

[aquart]

3. In private, but not in public?

Like a dirty little secret?

[Occam Bandage]

10. What on Earth do you mean? He's entirely public that

he believes on a private level that gay couples should have full civil-union rights, but that marriage is between a man and a women. He is also entirely public that he does not consider his personal feelings on the matter to be legitimate grounds for formulating policy, and so has consistently voted entirely against federal bans of gay marriage.

[DURHAM D]

15. Has Obama published a list of prominent

gay and lesbian supporters? I have read through the Edwards and Clinton list but I have not seen Obama's.

[RummyTheDummy]

18. This what I found on a quick search

The only three names on that list that I recognize as openly gay: David Geffen, Jodie Foster and um...Rosie O'Donnell. I thought I read somewhere that Jann Wenner was gay, but I'm not sure. There are also a few names on that list that I don't recognize. Some of these newsmeat lists seem more celebrity driven.

http://www.newsmeat.com/campaign_contributions_to_politicians/donor_list.php?candidate_id=P80003338

[DURHAM D]

23. Interesting - Jodie Foster is definitely not openly gay.

Also, Rosie O'Donnell gives money too many, many candidates. However, she supports Hillary.

Hillary and John Edwards have gay/lesbian advisory boards. I guess Obama does not. Ummh?

Thanks for your research - much appreciated.

[Occam Bandage]

28. Yes, he has. At the link.

http://www.washblade.com/2007/4-20/news/national/10421.cfm

[DURHAM D]

31. Thank you very much. n/t

[goodgd_yall]

11. I would put it this way

He doesn't believe in legislating his own personal beliefs---what a concept, huh?

[goodgd_yall]

9. This is what I've read as well.

[sandnsea]

He believes it is so entangled in religion

as to be a losing battle. He supports full civil right at the federal level, with states passing laws and churches free to continue marrying within the doctrine of their religion. He doesn't support gay marriage outright, but he isn't going to support bigotry in the Constitution or federal law.

Unlike some others I could mention.

[Maven]

4. Watch these clips

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG5u04Gbg0A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7qhGvykiQ

He says it about 5 times, since we GLBTs obviously haven't heard it enough from RW bigots

[dbackjon]

5. But he does not SUPPORT same sex marriage, either.

He voted against the amendment to "ban" it, but has done nothing to support it. He says he supports civil unions, but has done nothing to get them passed, either.


For that matter, neither has Clinton or Edwards.

[totodeinhere]

26. Give him a pass on that

His political advisers have probably told him that he had better not come out in favor of full fledged gay marriage. In the real world of politics sometimes such compromises are necessary in order to avoid being demagogued by the other side. But I have complete confidence that once elected he will be splendid on gay rights issues.

[goodgd_yall]

6. I think he believes that personally

that marriage is between a man and a woman. But he would not legislate his own personal belief.

[aquart]

12. So whose personal beliefs WILL he legislate?

[Occam Bandage]

14. Nobody's. That's why they're called *personal* beliefs. Why are you

having trouble grasping that concept?

[cboy4]

7. Here's a good way to sum up all of your mistakes:

on edit...typo

[Maven]

8. ...

:spray:

[calimary]

16. How did Britney Spears get in here?

sorry... :silly:

[FredScuttle]

13. Curious that a champion of LGBT rights would welcome an "ex-gay" clown bigot into his campaign

and give said bigot a microphone and a stage to spew homophobic filth to a receptive audience of like-minded bigots to capture some of those sweet, sweet South Carolina primary votes.

"The Audacity of Audacity"

[Bluebear]

17. Obama: "Marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." What's the big "myth"?

"I'm a Christian, and so although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." - Obama

[goodgd_yall]

19. Thanks---I couldn't think of the web site in which he clearly stated his view.

[xultar]

34. This one does too but not as well as the link they presented...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.samesexmarriage.html

He supports the DOMA but does believe that same sex couples should only have civil unions.

[LeftCoast]

20. Thanks Bluebear!

:hi:

[Sapphocrat]

21. And can YOU stop the fucking bullshit?

"And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."
"And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."
"And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."
"And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."
"And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."

How many times do you need to hear it?

FUCKING READ IT, off Obama's own fucking campaign site:

http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060605-floor_statement_5/

Your OP is BULLSHIT.

[NMMNG]

22. For the literacy challenged:

And this is from Barack Obama's own Website:

Now, I realize that for some Americans, this is an important issue. And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

Source



Any questions?

[magatte]

25. personal beliefs, but does not endorse government involvment in the issue

He will not put it in LAW that marriage should be between a man and a woman. This is a statement that the STATE has nothing to do with this issue, and it should be left to the individual or her/his church to decide.

That should make it clear for the LOGICALLY myopic.

[Bluebear]

27. How the hell do you "know" what he "will not do"? He hires anti-gay acts for his concerts

and we're supposed to take his word what he won't do? Pfff.

[NMMNG]

35. Endorsing "Civil Unions" is doing that

Civil Unions quantify the belief that Marriage is between a man and a woman, and therefore those (lesser-than) gays and lesbians must be content with Civil Unions. Just like blacks had to be content with their "Separate but Equal" schools, drinking fountains, lunch counters and so-on back in the day.

[LostinVA]

24. You're wrong, and the Ex Gay Clown incident was more than "unfortunate"

What would happen if, say, John Edwards (or any of the Dem or GOP candidates) had David Dukes at his event in SC, and stood on stage and said that African Americans just need to stop being lazy and get jobs then they could live then American Dream? It is no different, and if ANY candidate did THAT, they would be eviscerated on DU and rightly so. I hate this divide the incident caused on here about "Which is worse, homophobia or racism?" They're both equally bad, because they are both barring equal civil rights for all Americans.

[MethuenProgressive]

29. He's come out finally for same sex marriage? Link?

[William769]

30. "His vote in June of 2006 says otherwise"

His fundraising in 2007 says otherwise.

[IndianaJones]

32. he does believe that. read Audacity of Hope..chapter on Faith. nt.

[xultar]

33. He does believe that marriage is between a man and a woman...

He does not support the DOMA but he does support civil unions for same sex couples



GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT. Check Yo Facts.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.samesexmarriage.html