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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:36 PM
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NYT picks up the "shuck and jive" story.
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 07:37 PM by jefferson_dem
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Other bloggers more interested in the Clinton campaign busied themselves by questioning the remarks of one of her top local supporters. Andrew Cuomo, the New York attorney general, yesterday made these remarks about New Hampshire and Iowa:

It’s not a TV-crazed race. Frankly you can’t buy your way into it. You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference. All those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.

“Shuck and jive”? Is this phrase, with its racial undertones, a slur on Mr. Obama? Pam at Pam’s House Blend certainly thinks so:

You see folks, this is what I’m talking about. This whole “post-racial” nonsense is a simple fantasy or delusion uttered by people who think race isn’t a problem anymore. I’d like that to be the case as much as anyone else, but the fact of the matter is for Democrats, the alleged party of tolerance, this kind of bush-league nonsense exposes the real problem — that the lack of engagement on how race and political races bring out the worst in people, and plays to the base fears of voters.

Others think it was probably an accident, like Rick Karlin of Capitol Confidential, who noted that Mr. Cuomo went on a media apology tour to cover his tracks.

We’ve been getting calls from the Cuomo people on this who want to point out, correctly, that the AG was not referring to Barack Obama when he used the phrase “shuck and jive,” but to what politicians in general do with the media. Cuomo’s point was when candidates meet a substantial proportion of primary voters or caucus goers in person, such as in NH or Iowa, there is a certain genuineness that can be avoided in a big-state media-heavy campaign.

The Politico’s Ben Smith also was in touch with Mr. Cuomo, who had this to say:

“It was never about Obama in the first place,” Cuomo told me of the use of the phrase, which he said he was using “as a synonym for ‘bob and weave.’”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/blogtalk-the-obama-kerry-alliance/

And more ---> http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-40,GGLJ:en&q=cuomo+shuck+and+jive&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=title
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:37 PM
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1. Cool, now he won't ever be Governor! nt
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:40 PM
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2. Hurry up and post again. You've got the mark of the DEVIL !
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 07:41 PM by TheDebbieDee
(666 post count)
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:57 PM
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9. Ha Ha - I'll never post again!
Oops.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:06 PM
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11. Devilish debate on end for Church of England
I thought this was pretty funny.

LONDON (AFP) - Eyebrows were raised in the House of Commons on Thursday when a motion calling for the Church of England to be disestablished was listed with the number 666, symbol of the AntiChrist.

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"This number is supposed to be the mark of the Devil. It looks as though God or the Devil have been moving in mysterious ways," said Bob Russell, a Liberal Democrat MP among those proposing the motion for debate.

"What is even stranger is that this motion was tabled last night when MPs were debating blasphemy," he added.

The motion calls for an end to the formal link between Church and State in England -- embodied in the monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, who is both head of state and head of the Church of England.

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goku2008 Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:44 PM
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3. wow
wow the clintons are racist, fooling blacks to gain votes, the clinton way
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:45 PM
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4. When we're talking "divide and conquer" I look no further than Ben Smith at politico.
Not to say that Cuomo's remarks weren't totally idiotic.They were reprehensible.

But, be on the lookout for the Ben Smith/politico sigline for any little thing that will create dissension in the Democratic ranks. He is adept on pouncing upon and amplifying anything that will divide the Democrats against themselves.

Like the sun rising in the east.

POLITICO IS DETHPICABLE

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:45 PM
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5. What, no mention of Obama being a "Beautiful Symbol"?
With it's implications that a black candidate can't be taken seriously?

Personally, I think that was as offensive as the "shuck n' jive" bit. I mean, you blurt out a phrase with racist overtones (intended or not) and you try to make it all better by calling the guy a "beautiful symbol"?? :mad:
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:53 PM
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8. Well that's what some Obama supporters tell me - he would be a symbol of America not being racist.
Go figure.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:57 PM
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10. If he were elected, which Cuomo certainly does not want him to be...
Cuomo's campaigning for Hillary after all.

Nope, that "beautiful symbol" remark was in line with the Clinton campaign's stance that a black man can't get elected. Remember Hillary's "MLK was great, but it took a President to bring change" (paraphrasing) remark? Cuomo's "beautiful symbol" remark was just restating that sentiment. He had enough time to pick his words very carefully.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:10 PM
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12. If you were not around for Johnson's work on getting the Civil rights legislation passed
you need to read about it because it is true that he did it over objections of many in the Senate and House and did it knowing he was going to split the south and lose it to Democrats for what he thought would be a generation but turned out to be much longer.

Clinton knows the history and see see herself as the non-inspirational nuts and bolts manager-president that Johnson was. Your paraphrase does her a disservice.

Johnson's Vietnam policy and strategy was a disaster but his civil rights policyand strategy was brilliant.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:47 PM
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6. At best, a poor choice of words, Mr. Cuomo!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:52 PM
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7. If Obama has a "tear up moment" about it, can he get the pity vote??
:sarcasm:
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