Obama needs to start talking about the Clinton scandals of the '90's

[BluegrassDem]

Especially if he wants to shut up Bill Clinton! If Bill wants to insert himself into this campaign, then it's only right that Obama brings up the scandals of the past to remind voters of why many are glad he's no longer in the White House.

[William769]

1. Damn I hope he does.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Me Too

I'll say a prayer for both of us...

[wyldwolf]

41. please please please!

[onenote]

2. no he doesn't

In fact, it would be just about the worst thing he could do. His appeal is that he is running away from the "old" style politics. Talking about the "scandals" of the 90s will only make him seem like a typical pol.

[silverojo]

56. You're right

Going negative now would really turn off a lot of voters. It'd be like handing the nomination to HRC.

[Bleacher Creature]

3. What scandals? Name one? nt

[BOSSHOG]

9. Yeah, I want a list of those scandals as well

[no name no slogan]

12. Telecom Act, welfare "reform", financial services "reform", "universal" health care

[redqueen]

16. Those aren't scandals. (nt)

[no name no slogan]

20. They're not, but maybe they should be

:(

[Imagevision]

54. What scandals? Name one? --> ok. Whitewater... for openers

[DCKit]

63. That wasn't a scandal, it was a witchhunt that came to naught.

The BJ - which was nobody's business - was the only Clenis scandal. Scandalous is the $500 million spent, by the Republicans, to prove oral sex.

While I agree that NAFTA, Free Trade, etc... might provide some traction, a responsible President and Congress would have amended (or repealed) those agreements and laws sometime within the past seven years to fix the problems. Unfortunately it's been all Iraqistan, all the time since DickyGeorge took office.

THATs a scandal.

[Ediacara]

4. Ya that totally wouldn't backfire

:eyes:

[redqueen]

6. hahahaha... my thoughts exactly. (nt)

[onehandle]

5. Uh... I wish he'd never left. You want Obama to turn into Fox News?

Prepare for a royal flaming.

[supernova]

7. No, he doesn't

The GOP will do that in the GE if Hillary is the nominee.

We don't need to be tearing down our own over personal foibles. Debate the merits/drawbacks of policy positions all you like, but personal stuff is just that... personal.

[LostinVA]

8. Not a surprise to hear this from you

[suston96]

10. Oh goody...maybe he can drive Hillary to uh, tears?

[BootinUp]

29. !

:rofl:

[jakem]

46. THOSE WERE NOT TEARS!

just vitriol leaking out through her eyes.

[TwilightZone]

11. After the reaction to the Hillary situation in NH, how could you think that would help Obama?

If Obama starts bringing up the Clinton scandals, you might as well start printing convention materials with Hillary's name on them.

[BOSSHOG]

13. Yeah and he could hire rush limbaugh as a media advisor

How "many" are "many?" As in those glad he is no longer in the white house?

[killbotfactory]

14. Nah he should challenge Bill to a debate

[rodeodance]

15. Oh yeahBE LINK THE RIGHT WINGERS---REAL SMART MOVE (NOT)!!

[jlake]

17. Yes. That is the "hope" and "change" and "new kind of politics" that he professes.

Remind us how the Clintons remained popular after the vicious lies and distortions from the RW.

in other words. Go for it Obama.....Hillary will soar 10+ points overnight!

[bicentennial_baby]

18. If he wants to lose badly, sure thing

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

19. I don't think so. I want Obama to remain the gentleman that he is and

to win on his own merits. Slinging accusations wouldn't get him anywhere except to make him look petty.

[ccpup]

21. worst. idea. ever.

the American People -- having been bombarded with them in the past -- is sure to shrug their collective shoulders and go "yeah? so what!" These scandals didn't hurt them in the past and won't in the future. If the scandals were an effective tool, Bill wouldn't have won a solid re-election and Hillary wouldn't have been elected twice to the Senate.

But if he goes that route, Obama then opens to the door to his own past being vetted in kind and, being relatively unknown and generally admired and even adored, any "surprising" info that even has the appearance of being untoward could wound him and how people view him beyond repair.

It would also, as someone else posted, make him look as if he's playing against what he's selling eg. Politics of Hope vs. Old Politics and, furthermore, make him look desperate. Like he's lashing out to try and land a blow.

So, in my opinion, it's not a good idea.

[Mountainman]

22. None of the "scandals" resulted in criminality and most were concocted by right wing individuals.

They were all lies and you should get yourself a book about them, take it to the bathroom like a good little Clinton hater and fuck yourself.

Obama is way above your level and would not stoop to it.

[ellacott]

27. Very well said n/t

[BootinUp]

23. I agree

it would surely bring Hillary the nomination much quicker. :thumbsup:

So much for the audacity of hope.

[Skidmore]

24. He won't do this so don't expect him too. Changing political dialogue

and new coalitions is what his campaign is all about and he won't stoop to this no matter how much he is baited.

[Bread and Circus]

25. I hope he doesn't, that kind of bullshit is not needed. Obama's message

is uplifting. If the Democrats don't want that, then they don't deserve much better.

[HeraldSquare212]

26. I don't know, people were pretty fatigued with that stuff - point/counterpoint is just too '90's

[midlife_mo_Jo]

28. That's NOT how he's going to win!

Stay away from the scandals, stay away from racism, sexism, etc.

He's attracting a lot of independents, and some republicans, and even my ancient southern white aunt is supporting him! Stay postive. Preach change.

[RummyTheDummy]

30. No he needs to stay above the fray

No reason to stoop to the level of the Clinton/Bush Crime Family. Let them roll around in the slop and see if it sticks.

[Superman Returns]

31. Bill Clintons pardons

that was inexcusable.

[jefferson_dem]

44. His BJ in the oval office.

Inexcusable.

Sorry, that's a fact.

Still...I would rather Obama leave Bill and all his baggage alone. There's plenty truth-telling about Hillary to keep us busy.

[alstephenson]

32. You forgot your "sarcasm" smilie!

Obama needs to start talking about the Clinton "scandals" :sarcasm: of the '90's. There, that's better!

[no name no slogan]

33. No, I'd prefer he talk about those pesky ISSUES, instead

[Imagevision]

34. Unless the election is verifiable? Obama doesn't have to do nothing...

[KennedyGuy]

35. Theres that Hope again..

Got news for ya..Bill ain't running..

[jefferson_dem]

40. But a majority of Hillary's voters wish he was, and would rather vote for him.

You too?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHDEM

[KennedyGuy]

48. the fact tat Bill would esily win if he ran gain is NOT liability, believe ne.

[jefferson_dem]

71. Only Hillary voters long for a return to the "halcyon days" of Bill.

Ack.

[greenman3610]

36. holy crap, what an ignorant thing to say.

70 million dollars investigating "scandals" = no prosecution, no crime,
no nothing, other than a blow job.
yet, this is still right wing talking point number one.

[Didereaux]

38. If Obama starts slinging OLD dirt he is dead as a candidate! his 'kiddie arny' here are braindead

[jefferson_dem]

45. "kiddie arny"?

Stick to your cartoons please.

[Didereaux]

60. 'stivk to my cartoons'? okay here's one you'll jes looove...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/didereaux/

[madrchsod]

61. his "kiddie arny" here are brain dead?

just who are you accusing of being brain dead?

[ieoeja]

39. What scandals? Ken Starr, of all people, exonerated the Clintons. n/t

[CTyankee]

65. Well, by that time it was Robert Ray, but yes, they went away with nothing on the

Clintons. After all those millions of dollars, an investigation that lasted longer than WW2, unlimited subpoena power and investigatory resources they came up with zip, nada, zero, niente. What a travesty!

[peacetalksforall]

42. Ridiculous! It's ridiculous for Obama to bring up the scandals - scandals

concocted by Republicans, many paid for by Richard Mellon Scaife and participated in by youir tax paid FBI agents.

This is the most ridiculous idea that anyone has posted.

What do you want - you want his supporters such as Oprah to join in?

I am not behind Hillary Clinton for Pres, but I will fight like hell to put down any lies relating to the scandals.

I deplore the proposal suggested in this thread and hope people use their head or grow up.

[Old and In the Way]

43. You really don't like Barrack, do you?

Or maybe you bought all the Republican BS about Clinton way back then? The Clinton administration wasn't perfect, but it was lightyears better than we have now. I'd venture to say that most Americans wouldn't mind living through 8 more years of peace and prosperity, though we could do without the Republican Inquisition that these pygmies put us through.

[Auntie Bush]

47. BLUEGRASS! Go back to bed! And don't let any rocks hit you in your head!

Stop making stupid posts!
And if the Clinton folk said something like that...you'd be the first on complaining. This has got to be the most ridiculous post I've ever answered! Now go back under your rock!

[fightindonkey]

49. You'd Like That, Wouldn't You Freep? There Were NO Scandals.

Next.

[donheld]

50. That's a really BAD idea

:crazy:

[petersjo02]

51. What a joke

Oh, your post wasn't a joke, was it? None of those 90s scandals amounted to a tinker's damn and you know it. We need to save this sort of piling on for the Republicans, when the time comes.

[Little Star]

52. Oh yes! That will bring all the Dems together to support him.

Here is a clue....People are getting tired of the sand box games.

[tritsofme]

53. I'll give you websites that have plenty of research on those topics.

www.rushlimbaugh.com
www.freerepublic.com

Hope I made your search for anti-Clinton propaganda that much easier.

[petersjo02]

55. This exactly the crappy, superior, holier-than-thou attitude

I've already seen way too much of from Obama supporters these last few weeks (I'm an Iowan). They all seem to think he's the second coming and react with disdain to anyone who thinks otherwise. All our Dem candidates were/are good ones. We can't go wrong, so shut the f__ up already. (I'm a 66-year-old grandmother who has one kidney and it's failing, so I feel entitled to write things like shut the f___ up), and I want to see a Dem back in the White House before I die.

[Marrah_G]

57. Unbelievable..............

[Zynx]

58. If he does, Hillary will kick his ass.

No one wants to go through that again.

[madrchsod]

59. nah ....just let sleeping dogs ly

it`s better to move into the future then to run on the failures of someone in the past. it was bill`s problems not hillary`s. she had no influence on anything but the healthcare, which at that time was doomed to failure no matter how good or bad it was.

[girl_interrupted]

66. Democrats cutting off their nose to spite their face

I can't think of a worst strategy for Obama to take. Bill Clinton has done something none of our democratic candidates for president have done in alonggggg time...win the presidency. I would take Bill Clinton back in a New York minute...the surpluses, the millions of jobs, the love and respect he engendered throughout the globe.

Why is it ok for Elizabeth Edwards & Michele Obama to jump in and defend their husbands? Bill Clinton is doing the same for his wife. You don't like Hillary don't vote for her, but to turn to repuke tactics to diminish Bill is pathetic.

I'm quite sure Obama has his own postives to talk about, people want to learn more about him, he's a new figure in American politics, what he's like personally, and what he has accomplished. Now is the time to do that.

[DivorcingNeo]

62. Not at all

That's just what the Clinton Campaign would love. Just to paint him as part of the vast right wing conspiracy against her and Bill.


Save that garbage for the RNC, who will surely do the job if she gets the nomination.

The upside to me about that is...

it will make for great entertainment in the fall. :toast:

[yardwork]

64. If Obama does that, I lose ALL respect for him.

[Gloria]

67. He has his own skeletons plus he's talking like Hillary-lite....I want

Edwards to reclaim HIS message and start questioning THEM!

[madrchsod]

68. good luck on edwards reclaiming HIS message

they got rid of dennis during the first debate and they have marginalized edwards since iowa.
the msm has spoken. . it`s obama v clinton.

[tigereye]

69. Bill's scandals were BIll's scandals - and compared to Bush's they were minor

why taint Hillary with them?


Do we really want Obama or any other Dem for that matter, to play that game?

[earthlover]

70. I don't think obama is going to bring up all the scandals of the Clinton years....

I don't think that is his style. If his opponent had Hussein as a middle name, I seriously don't think Obama would have his campaign goons bring his/her middle name up, spread crap about a madrassa, spread the meme that he/she was Muslim, discuss kindergarden goings on, or mislead the public about his opponent's position on Iraq. That is not his style. Unfortunately, this style is all too common.

If the shoe was on the other foot, i am sure it would be brought up though!

Obama can, and should, respond to the deliberately deceptive crap that Bill Clinton is spreading about his Iraq views. Tim Russert, during the 04 convention, asked Obama about his anti-Iraq views. He asked if they would reflect poorly on Kerry and Edwards, who voted for the IWR. Obama said, and I paraphrase, that he didn't have all the information they had so he couldn't be absolutely sure how he would have voted, but so far there has been no evidence to the contrary of his anti-war position. Bill deliberately left out this last part of Obama's words. So, if you leave out these last words==which show his main point==it makes it looks like Obama was equivocating on the Iraq War. This is just plain dirty politics on Bill's part. And totally dishonest. Heck...just a few weeks ago....irony of ironies....Bill Clinton was saying that he opposed the Iraq wAR fROM the start!!!! In spite of earlier statements to the contrary. This guy has the nerve of saying Obama wasn't consistent! Dang, the nerve!

[dionysus]

72. bad. idea,