Chris Matthews vs. Hillary Clinton

[Colobo]

Notice she couldn't answer Chris's question. Quickly went on the defensive:

http://thepage.time.com/clintons-nh-spat-with-matthews/

[Sparkly]

1. She gave an answer.

"I believe that I will get our troops out as quickly and responsibly as is possible." He wants her to criticize another candidate (I'm guessing the question was about Obama) and she wouldn't take that bait. It sounded like an invitation for him to look at her proposal for what she calls "responsibly," which is about more details than the other candidates'. But he's been after a storyline about her "strangling" and "burying" Obama and she's not going to give it to him.

The defensive part was funny. He is NOTORIOUS for his obsession with her!! (See Media Matters.) "Come on the show" -- she ought to laugh in his face.

I LOVED the clip of her patting his cheek and saying "Aw, babeee..." "It's not obsession," he said. "Well good!" she said dismissively, patting his shoulder. Very condescending of her, and I thought it was great.

Edited for typo.

[rodeodance]

2. OH SHE ANSWERED HIS CALL VERY WELL. GOOD FOR HER!

[Cameron27]

3. Her answer was perfect!

The laughable lil' kingmaker and his man crushes and obsessions should be mocked. :applause:

[cali]

4. There is simply no excuse for the vile way that Tweety

has treated her. None at all.

[anniebelle]

5. Tweety is a little man looking for a balcony.

He has been totally unfair to Bill and Hillary for years. Hillary happens to not be my candidate, but she's still a Democrat and very much a lady, and has my deepest respect for what she's put up with over the years from these hateful knuckledraggers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Quoting Drudge And Matthews Approvingly...

~

[KennedyGuy]

10. when I posted yesterday that they were using Drudge..et al as links

I was greeted with derision and shouts of "Prove It Liar'
Here we see on this page..used as sources to slime Hillary:
Drudge
The Washington Times
Tweety
It's like me using David Duke as a credible source criticizing Obama..
To be fair..a couple Obama folks have spoken out against this kind of slime..but more than a few are entirely too happy to be doing this kind of thing..

[BeyondGeography]

7. "I don't know what to do with men who are obsessed with me."

Time to select another president.

[maddiejoan]

9. Tweety IS obsessed with her.

you haven't noticed?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. The Clinton Haters Will Latch On To Any Right Wing Tool To Diss Hillary

Oh, before anybody bores me with Tweety's glorious service to Tip O'Neil thirty years ago he said he voted for Bush* in 00...

[BeyondGeography]

13. Who knows...it's just not something she should be suggesting

and notice how the room went quiet when she did? People don't want to hear sexual innuendo as a deflection device from a president, and, here's the unfair part, especially not from a would-be woman president.

[maddiejoan]

14. you heard sexual innuendo?

I didn't.

:shrug:

Maybe you only thought sexual since she's a woman.

You might wish to examine that.

[BeyondGeography]

15. Or maybe I'll just go shopping

[Sparkly]

17. Perfect! I should send a bottle of that to Tweety!!

:rofl:

[karynnj]

16. I don't think it was sexual innuendo, just embarrasing

Try to flip it to think of how that would play with a male politician and a female reporter. It really is borderline. Oddly, the politician I can most see in my mind in the reversed case is ..... Bill Clinton. I can't think of any other politician that would be that flirtatious - even in a joking way - while running for President.

[Sparkly]

18. "flip it around"

That is such a ridiculous one-size-fits-all test. It would work if all things were equal, but guess what? ALL THINGS ARE NOT EQUAL.

(Now it's your turn to say that if we treat them as equal, they will be.)

[karynnj]

32. She is running for President.

You can't play the "but I'm just a girl" card and ask for the top job. If she were President, she would be the leader of the free world. Even now, she is an ex-first lady and a sitting Senator. She already has greater status than a cable news pundit. Frankly, I could not see either Obama or Edwards - or Kerry or Gore for that matter acting like that. There is something inherently bullying underneath the levity there.

I have to say that I was incredibly impressed that after HRC said just being a woman President would be change that Obama did NOT point out he was black. The fact is that the gender of the President is far less important than the policies expressed. As one who has worked in large corporations, my experience is that for the woman reporting to them, some men were better than some of the woman in facilitating successful approaches allowing women to balance family life and work. I know that's a very different level, but I don't want it to either a positive ora negative that a potential President is female. I want to choose on who they are and what they will do.

[Sparkly]

33. yeah.

She didn't play a card. :eyes: You can't see the men acting that way because the men don't get treated the same way. Period.

Obama didn't need to "point out he was black" -- she was answering a question about "change" and mentioned this as one "change." He hasn't been asked to defend himself on "change" -- he's owning that.

As for "what they will do" and "policies expressed," there's NO significant difference among Clinton, Obama and Edwards.

[karynnj]

34. I agree with the last sentence - therefore give no extra weight to HRC being a woman

Tweety has treated all the candidates that way. He has actually often been deferential to HRC. There is no one he is always respectful to.

[Sparkly]

36. Your call.

All things being equal, I don't see a thing wrong with "extra weight" given to any of them for any reason.

As for Tweety treating them all that way -- um, no.

Just a few recent examples:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801030005?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712180006?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712180005?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712180002?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712170004?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200712070003?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711190004?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711140002?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711100001?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200711080001?f=s_search

[maddiejoan]

20. I can hear Bill Clinton

saying the same thing to Tweety.

:shrug:

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. The room gasped and laughed

:shrug:

It was cutting and hilarious and perfect.

[Quixote1818]

27. More like the room gasped. It was a very uncomfortable moment. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. For you, maybe

:shrug:

[Quixote1818]

28. I agree 100%. nt

[Quixote1818]

26. But the average person won't know that. It just came across as confrontational

She saved herself by hugging him at the end.

[Sparkly]

29. Confrontational -- GOOD! nt

[Quixote1818]

25. That was stunningly weird. nt

[maddiejoan]

8. if she had risen to Tweety's bait

you have been on here about how Hillary was ATTACKING ATTACKING ATTACKING Obama.

[Beausoir]

12. Hilarious! She blew him out of the water. It's about time someone slapped him up a little.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. She humiliated him...which is just about perfect

Fucking hilarious.

Nothing like watching the total misogynist Matthews get fucking HERBED by Hillary Clinton. That was lovely.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

22. Couldn't be more perfect response.

PWNED

[Quixote1818]

23. That was embarrassing for both of them. nt

[SaveElmer]

24. Man she slapped him down but good...

That was too funny!!!!

Good job Hill!!!

[cmaff05]

30. Heh

I thought Hillary responded to that very well. Good job Hillary. Matthews was being an asshole, like usual.

[Blue_In_AK]

35. That was hysterical.

Good for Hillary.

[DURHAM D]

37. Why don't you post clips of all the times Tweety has snarked on

your candidate?

Good luck finding something.

[Elidor]

38. That clip is very good

I don't like her, but she came off very well there. It's nice to see her pay him back in however small a dose.