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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:50 PM
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Josh Marshall: My Take

My Take

So, a few observations about the Democratic debate.

First, a few months ago, I said that I didn't get what Barack Obama thought he was doing in one of the debates, that he was doing a very good job debating as the frontrunner, when in fact he was falling further and further behind Hillary Clinton. It showed tonight. There are a lot of differences between now and then. And I thought he had a good night. But tonight was an example where his style worked much better when he's on top. He parried Clinton pretty well. And I don't think she really laid a glove on him.

As I wrote earlier, I think the debate started in a pretty shambling fashion. Then it began to engage and built to a pivotal, even defining exchange on the subject of change around 9:30 PM. Obama made his case. Significantly, Edwards largely agreed with Obama to the effect of trying to close the door on Hillary's candidacy. Hillary was clearly pissed and responded with what you probably consider either an impassioned or enraged response (perhaps both) that I think very articulately and effectively described her argument for her candidacy. I think that Hillary moment will become a Rorschach for voters around the country.

You can see it here ...

John Edwards also had, I thought, a very strong debate, particularly in the latter half of the debate. He talks a lot about feeling this fight in his blood and being a fighter. And it's important when you say things like that that it really resonates in what you say, how you act, who you seem to be. And I think it did on every count. Unfortunately for Hillary, most of the eloquence and fire was directed at her tonight.

The exchange I mentioned noted earlier from around 9:30 PM was the emotional, dramatic crux of the evening. After that a lot of the energy seemed to be released from the discussion. Not in a bad way necessarily. I thought each of them had very good moments in the second half. But that was the crux of the debate, where the key points where enunciated, and each candidate defined.

In general, I think Obama's the winner tonight. I think Hillary made her case well. I think Edwards had the best debate. But the debate can only be understood in the context of the moment. Right now, Obama's on fire. The first post-Iowa polls show him picking up a big post-caucus bump. He needed to come off well. Not make any mistakes. And not let Hillary open up any strong line of attack against him. And I think he did each one of those things. Which means he gave some reassurance to those who might be hesitating to get on the bandwagon and didn't do or allow anything to happen which significantly change the trend of the moment, which is moving heavily in his favor.


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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:51 PM
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1. Obama's time is now.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:53 PM
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2. Marshall Nails It n/t
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 01:01 AM
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12. I agree.
Obama's my first choice but Edwards was the best tonight - they'd make a good team, I think.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:54 PM
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3. Obama is riding the trend to victory.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:54 PM
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4. Obama was Perry Como, as usual
Edwards shone!
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:22 AM
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10. Perry Como was a singing barber who could barely stay awake...but you knew that already, right?
;)
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:45 AM
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11. 'catch a falling star' Perry Como?
they both have that same smoothness! :rofl:
Cute video! catch a falling star-Perry Como-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuZFGupacEo
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:56 PM
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5. His analysis is spot on. Though I think Edwards did help himself tonight
and may have pulled away some of Hillary's support.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:58 PM
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6. There is no one expert who can tell any voter who "won" this debate. There is no magic
scoring system that they have that we don't. Because winning a debate, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. What touched your heart? Was there a moment that you felt hope, or a stirring in your soul? Who was it that made you believe? For each of us the answer will be different. For each of us, the "take" or the winner will be different. Each moment a memory that becomes personal, to each a different way. In each heart, a different voice resonated. What I hope is that people don't look at polls, or listen to pundits, or even pay attention to DU after tonight's incredible performance by the Democratic candidates. My hope is that all will listen to the sounds in his or her heart, and follow that to its logical conclusion.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 11:59 PM
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7. Hillary had better vital signs than Obama tonight
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:05 AM
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8. K & R.
A fan of Josh Marshall, here.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-06-08 12:18 AM
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9. I always love Josh's insight.
"Rorschach for voters around the country"
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